EPTI was in Rome recently at the Trevi fountain. Everything is as always, the widely reported maximum visiting times etc are if anything purely rhetorical. It's tourism business as usual.
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
I was in Rome recently at the Trevi fountain. Everything is as always, the widely reported maximum visiting times etc are if anything purely rhetorical. It's tourism business as usual. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11825 Posts
You can complain about it, but you probably don't want to do something that makes the tourists no longer come to your place, because then you would have less money. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
They are doing something about it because as far as they are concerned money isn't everything. If tourists aren't paying taxes because they are using airbnb, or because they are daytrippers or from a cruise ship, the inhabitants would not see any of that money if they don't work in a tourism related job which are mostly shitty jobs. In fact you would most likely see your rents rise and quality of life degrade from late night noise and such like. There's also a world of a difference from receiving tourists in your city and too many tourists. Quality of life is not just about money. | ||
RvB
Netherlands6273 Posts
Then you also have party islands like Ibiza where drugs abuse is rife. I can imagine locals not being very happy about that. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 10 2017 22:43 Dangermousecatdog wrote: It's not so simple. It's easy to say tourists are great if you don't live there and only visit. Though I've noted that german tourists tend to be viewed favourably. (I once knew a German who would speak English to the police when he was misbehaving abroad so the British get the blame!) They are doing something about it because as far as they are concerned money isn't everything. If tourists aren't paying taxes because they are using airbnb, or because they are daytrippers or from a cruise ship, the inhabitants would not see any of that money if they don't work in a tourism related job which are mostly shitty jobs. In fact you would most likely see your rents rise and quality of life degrade from late night noise and such like. There's also a world of a difference from receiving tourists in your city and too many tourists. Quality of life is not just about money. Pathetic. Money is what buys you contracts and contracts are the only rights you have in this world, some democratic romantic aside. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 11 2017 04:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Wait...so you are being serious? You actually think it is pathetic that I wrote that quality of life is not just about money? What's so wrong about it? If you have enough money you don't have these problems. It simply is an issue of not having enough money. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 11 2017 04:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Uh. Ok. If you rather your local council having some extra tourism money over say, clean streets or pleasant surroundings or a good nights sleep, I guess that's your opinion. No, you got that one wrong. Why would I care about my local council having money? I care about ME having the money. This is not some democratic communist world in which I profit from my council having money. There is no contract or law that says I profit, so why should I care about things like economic numbers of my council? The pathetic part is to pretend that there wouldn't be a price for having that much tourism that if given to the people affected, or used well by a local government wouldn't make up for the downsides. It's just that we socialize costs while we privatize profits through our states. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 11 2017 05:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Have you lost the context to which we are talking about? No? You are talking about quality of life changing because of tourism. I'm saying that's just a matter of money. Give the people who believe that they are negatively affected by tourism sufficent amounts of money and their quality of life will only be better. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11825 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 11 2017 05:44 Artisreal wrote: That really sounds like a probable solution for cities like Venice and London as well as islands like Mallorca We know which side has the power, it is the one making a fortune from tourism. So why would they use their power against their own interest? Obviously there is no "probable" solution, it is all theorycrafting. Obviously people who don't have the power won't suddenly have sufficient amounts of money to influence the tourism economy. That does not change that it is simply a matter of having or not having enough money. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Problem solved no locals annoyed anymore. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18285 Posts
On August 11 2017 05:54 Big J wrote: We know which side has the power, it is the one making a fortune from tourism. So why would they use their power against their own interest? Obviously there is no "probable" solution, it is all theorycrafting. Obviously people who don't have the power won't suddenly have sufficient amounts of money to influence the tourism economy. That does not change that it is simply a matter of having or not having enough money. Except Arran has clearly found a way of getting power to influence the tourism industry (at least, if they keep up slashing tyres of tourist buses) without having money. I think Arran are a bunch of criminals, but money is not the only game in town. And if you think the solution is that Barcelona should pay off Arran, I'm sure "giving in to terrorists" will go down well. Soon the pick pockets will be slashing tyres instead and waiting for their own government handout. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On August 11 2017 05:42 Big J wrote: No? You are talking about quality of life changing because of tourism. I'm saying that's just a matter of money. Give the people who believe that they are negatively affected by tourism sufficent amounts of money and their quality of life will only be better. That's not really true though. No amount of money from tourists will be worth obnoxious behaviour from tourists, or noisy nights when you rather be sleeping or crowds in areas where you rather not be crowds. You have to change the goalposts and are surely advancing some nonsense to the aargument at hand to extend your notion that money isn't everything in quality of life. | ||
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warding
Portugal2395 Posts
I have to say that Lisbon today is 10x nicer than it was 7 years ago largely thanks to the economic boom from tourism. Some people do complain about rising rents, but they're comparing to recession times. On the flipside people now have jobs. | ||
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