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warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
August 07 2017 10:28 GMT
#18501
Is there any way to eat the cake and have it too? Having lax laws for building new stuff all the while making beautiful cities people want to live in?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
August 07 2017 13:17 GMT
#18502
Looking at it, the author seems preoccupied with Tokyo being "ugly", but the way I see it is that it is a city that people want and can afford to live in. It is a more livable city than any other comparable city in the world. And that is more beautiful than anything else.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 07 2017 13:42 GMT
#18503
It's not that people want to live in those big cities, they have to. That's the reason the prices are so unfair.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 14:26:40
August 07 2017 14:24 GMT
#18504
That's not really a distinction that I view as valid. It's like saying nobody wants a low wage job. They have to. Ultimately everybody want good living standards for as low as possible cost. Nobody have to live anywhere in particular, be it the biggest city in your country, a nice rural village or a mid sized town.
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
August 07 2017 15:29 GMT
#18505
Beautiful surroundings increases quality of life substantially. Low prices can't be the only variable you want to maximize, otherwise lets all move to Detroit.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11984 Posts
August 07 2017 15:47 GMT
#18506
The problem is that ideally, everyone would like to have a nice, suburban house, with a garden, a nice view, next to a park, and close to everything important in the city including a minimal commute to their job.

That is obviously not possible. So housing is complicated, and people need to make priority lists. The once who are capable of paying more money get more items of their priority list.

However, currently that often means that people who are not capable of paying a lot of money don't get any, despite some of the things on their list of priorities being pretty basic stuff. It kind of sucks, but i don't think there is a very simple solution to this, either.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 15:54:38
August 07 2017 15:47 GMT
#18507
How important is beauty to quality of life? I live in a big house with a big back and front garden, in a low rise, low density area, next to the Green Belt with a country park and excellent transportation links within 10 min walking distance. Buses come 4-12 times an hour. It takes me half an hour for a tube journey to central.The street is lined with trees and grassy strips. No block of flats anywhere within eyesight. Beauty is incredibly available and valuable to my quality of life, but I can afford to do so. The council wanted to build a block of flats over a small local park, but it was overturned when we protested and filed a complaint over a rare frog habitat or something and got it overturned. NIMBYism at its best. But only 1% of those who work in London can live in this way. Is that fair? I benefit from London/UK utter crapsack of building regulations, but I recognise that those who cannot afford to do so gain no benefit.

Beauty is also in the eye of the beholder. Is Tokyo ugly? The author thinks so. Is Barcelona ugly? Is Paris ugly? They too are covered in high rise and medium density flats, with comparitively small availability of green spaces. When your income goes mostly into rent, how valuable is not looking at concrete or prefab buildings when you already most likely are living in one?
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
August 07 2017 15:53 GMT
#18508
Given the surge towards the city I don't think we have the luxury of putting beauty (which I'd agree is subjective, I don't think Tokyo is ugly at all) above affordable living space.

Also it shouldn't be neglected that the building speed of Tokyo is actually pushing prices for housing down, which has a huge egalitarian effect. You simply do not have a rentier class that extracts value out of rising rents and housing prices at the expense of everybody else. It's probably one of the biggest pluses in social mobility that you can have.

bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
August 07 2017 16:24 GMT
#18509
I don't know if this representation of Tokyo is accurate. You literally have people working full time to make enough money to live in a cupboard in an internet cafe, so it can't be that easy to get your own place. Also, Tokyo was burnt to the ground by the US in WW2 so it's a little different from the average European city. We are obliged to protect the history and beauty of city centres and countryside, but I don't think it's then fair to unleash on suburban folks any more than we already do.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 07 2017 16:44 GMT
#18510
My personal experience is, fuck overcrowded megacities and fuck living in them. Having a nice, roomy house is quite important to a high QOL and thankfully both countries I've lived in have no shortage of livable land. A megacity arrangement is suitable for folks with a crush on "big city life" but I personally find that to be an appalling way to life.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 16:47:54
August 07 2017 16:45 GMT
#18511
Where do you get your info from? The Daily Mail? Those tiny capsule rooms are for overnight commuting businessmen or drunks. People don't live in them. If they do, it isn't because they cannot afford to do otherwise, but rather because they prefer to spend money elsewhere. Maybe if they are unemployed, but that would be the very opposite of working full time. When I went to Tokyo 2 years ago I was struck by how relatively cheap the hotels were in Shinjuku. Also I think you'll find that several European cities were burnt to the ground in WW2. Funnily enough, I think there was a city in Belgium somewhere that rebuilt their city in a traditional way and marketed it to tourists as an original town.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
August 07 2017 16:46 GMT
#18512
I really don't think it's controversial to suggest that many folks would not consider Tokyo an ideal city to live in....
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 17:09:51
August 07 2017 16:54 GMT
#18513
I'm not saying Tokyo is an ideal city. I'm saying it is a rare example of a livable high population, high density city, due to various policies and laws. It's easy to talk about laws protecting a subjective view of beautiful surroundings when you aren't affected and living in skyhigh rent in an ugly block of flats. People want to live in low density areas. Unfortunately, that simply isn't possible for everyone in a city. It's kind of the opposite of what makes a city. The lower the population density of the area, you live in, the higher it must be for somewhere else. And the lower the density, the less likely you will have good transport links. London has a fairly low population density, but rents are skyhigh precisely because of it. My ideal city is basically one of those "garden cities" around London, but rather ironically, they can only exist because there is a bigger city next to them that people want to live in.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
August 07 2017 23:57 GMT
#18514
If anybody wants an update on German politics, the Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung has published a more recent version of their political compass, with some interesting strategy positions for the respective parties.

https://www.fes.de/de/index.php?id=3075
Noizhende
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria328 Posts
August 08 2017 08:26 GMT
#18515
On August 08 2017 08:57 Nyxisto wrote:
If anybody wants an update on German politics, the Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung has published a more recent version of their political compass, with some interesting strategy positions for the respective parties.

https://www.fes.de/de/index.php?id=3075



uh nice, thx, i like those
Die neuen Tempel haben schon Risse - künftige Ruinen - einst wächst Gras auch über diese Stadt - über ihre letzte Schicht
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
August 08 2017 15:08 GMT
#18516
Yeah thanks. It is very interesting. In particular I think it is interesting how one of the axis differs from a certain popular chart.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2017 16:57 GMT
#18517
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 09 2017 08:45 GMT
#18518
French police are searching for a driver who ploughed into soldiers patrolling an upmarket Paris suburb on Wednesday morning.

The car sped off after hitting six members of Opération Sentinelle, which is part of France’s ongoing state of emergency introduced after the November 2015 terrorist attacks.

Six military personnel were hurt, two of them seriously. The two seriously injured soldiers were taken to the Percy military hospital at Clamart, near the French capital. None of the injuries were thought to be life-threatening.

The attacked occurred at about 8am during the changeover of soldiers from the 35th Infantry Regiment stationed at Place de Verdun, not far from the town hall in Levallois-Perret.

The weekly council of ministers was taking place at the Elysée as the first reports emerged.

Patrick Balkany, the mayor of Levallois-Perret, told BFMTV that a BMW parked nearby appeared to have been waiting for the soldiers to leave their barracks. The vehicle, described as dark coloured, was driven the wrong way down a one-way street before it hit the troops and sped off.

Balkany described the attack as a “deliberate aggression”.

“It’s without doubt a deliberate act … This vehicle was waiting for them,” he said. “The BMW accelerated very quickly the moment they came out. This happened in the middle of the town. It happened very quickly.

“Levallois is a calm place … this is an odious aggression against our military that nobody expected.”

Witnesses suggested the driver was the only person in the vehicle, which was allegedly parked in a cul-de-sac near Place de Verdun prior to the incident. Security services have been sent to the area, which has been sealed off.

Roger Karoutchi, a local senator, said: “We have to be careful, but it wasn’t a classic road accident. As for the motives, we will have to wait until the person or people concerned are arrested.”

There are 10,000 soldiers patrolling France as part of Opération Sentinelle, and 4,700 police and gendarmes.

Although French authorities remained cautious as to the motives of the driver, the incident appears to be the latest assault on France’s security forces.

In April, a police officer was killed in a shooting on the Champs-Elysées. In June, an Islamic State supporter drove a car loaded with gas bottles into a military vehicle on the same road. The attacker died when the car caught fire. No soldiers were injured.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 09 2017 12:10 GMT
#18519
Balkany, haha, he's been the mayor for 30 years, became a millionaire, palace in Marrakech, villa in the Antilles and a huge domain in Normandy. He also casually gave clothes to the dry cleaner with several €500 bills in the pockets and his house had envelops full of cash randomly lying in his house. He will soon have a trial for agravated fiscal fraud laundering, collusion, lies on tax return, passive corruption. It has been reported frequently for more than thirty years but whatever, voters keep voting for him and he got away from justice I don't know how. I hope it's finally the time he's caught and that he ends his life in jail.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 10 2017 13:11 GMT
#18520
Well okay then...?

With the continent sweltering under a heatwave nicknamed Lucifer, tempers have been boiling over, too, as a wave of anti-tourism protests take place in some of Europe’s most popular destinations. Yet, as “tourism-phobia” becomes a feature of the summer, the World Tourism Organisation (UNWTO) has defended the sector, calling on local authorities to do more to manage growth in a sustainable manner.

The focal point for much of this has been Spain, which had a record 75.6 million tourists last year, including 17.8 million from the UK. In Barcelona, where tensions have been rising for years over the unchecked surge in visitors and impact of sites such as Airbnb on the local housing market, Arran, the youth wing of the radical CUP (Popular Unity Candidacy), have been filmed slashing the tyres of rental bicycles and a tour bus. An Arran spokesperson told the BBC: “Today’s model of tourism expels people from their neighbourhoods and harms the environment.” Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy described the group as “extremists”.

There have also been protests in Mallorca and San Sebastián, where an anti-tourism march is planned for 17 August, to coincide with Semana Grande – a major festival of Basque culture.

Other demonstrations have taken place across southern Europe. Last month in Venice – which sees more than 20 million visitors a year and has just 55,000 residents – 2,000 locals marched through the city, voicing anger at rising rents and the impact of huge cruise ships and the pollution they cause to the city’s delicate environment.

Speaking to the Guardian, UNWTO secretary general Taleb Rifai said the rise in anti-tourist sentiment is “a very serious situation that needs to be addressed in a serious way”. If managed correctly, he added, tourism can be the “best ally” to conservation, preservation and the community.

“It should not be given up for the sake of mismanagement,” he said. “Ensuring that tourism is an enriching experience for visitors and hosts alike demands strong, sustainable tourism policies, practices and the engagement of national as well as local governments and administrations, private sector companies, local communities and tourists themselves.”

UNWTO recommends a number of proven methods for managing crowds in destinations, such as encouraging tourists to visit beyond the central sights, diversifying tourist activities, reducing seasonality and, importantly, addressing the needs of the local community. The focus should not be, it says, on simply stopping tourists arriving.

Earlier this year, Barcelona started cracking down on unlicensed Airbnb rentals, doubling the numbers of inspectors checking properties. Of around 16,000 holiday rentals in the city, 7,000 are believed to be unlicensed.

In Venice, the mayor’s office has also been attempting to tackle the problem. In June it said it would introduce a ban on new tourist accommodation in the city centre, and “people counters” have been installed at popular sites to monitor overcrowding.

Italy has also been cracking down on anti-social behaviour in other tourist hotspots. In Rome, this means a ban on people eating or paddling in the city’s fountains and drinking on the street at night. Similar measures have been put into place in Milan – which introduced a summer ban on everything from food trucks to selfie sticks in the Darsena neighbourhood.

In Dubrovnik, another city where cruise ships unload thousands of visitors at a time, the mayor has introduced cameras to monitor the number of visitors in its Unesco-listed old town, so that the flow of people entering can be slowed – or even stopped – once a certain number is reached. Meanwhile, the mayor ofpopular Croatian party island Hvar has pledged to put an end to debauchery by mostly British tourists by slapping them with huge fines.


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