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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22046 Posts
On March 09 2017 23:19 LightSpectra wrote: So what difference do you think it would make if the PVV got the highest seat count but then other parties made a coalition excluding them, and the VVD getting the highest seat count? Do you think it would be essentially the same outcome, or does it make a huge difference? For the country as a whole it wouldn't make much difference but obviously it would further antagonize PVV voters who would (perhaps correctly) see it as the 'establishment' cheating them of their electoral victory. | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
On March 09 2017 17:48 warding wrote: Huffington post is biased by had some journalistic merit. Mother Jones is more like it. I think the reason EU politics are less divisive is because a higher % of people live at our nest major cities/centers of power, the social democratic model is overwhelmingly popular and religion is basically a non-factor. The other reason is that there aren't really "EU" politics... there are French politics, German politics, etc. The EU doesn't do nearly as much compared to the nation-states that make it up as the US does compared to the states that make it up. You have enough tension in Europe that one of the local legislatures is seceding. The US hasn't had that much tension in 150 years. (and it probably wouldn't have the tension it has now if each of the states had their own seat at the UN, army, air force, retirement system, and collected the majority of the taxes the people in them paid) | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On March 10 2017 00:09 LegalLord wrote: Someone made a nice post a while back that essentially highlighted the fact that any form of coalition building is severely stunted this time around because of PVV and because a lot of the major parties won't cooperate with each other. The difficulty of coalition building is more due to the fracturing of parliament and not really the exclusion of the PVV. Even with the PVV + VVD + CDA you'd need a 4th party to build a coalition so not much more different than the situation now (5 or 6 parties). The PVV is the only party being excluded. The SP (hardcore socialists) also exclude the VVD (Conservative liberal) but the SP isn't likely to be in a coalition anyway. On March 10 2017 00:30 Gorsameth wrote: For the country as a whole it wouldn't make much difference but obviously it would further antagonize PVV voters who would (perhaps correctly) see it as the 'establishment' cheating them of their electoral victory. I agree. There won't be much of a difference. I don't think the PVV is going to win the election anyway. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10833 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28733 Posts
On March 09 2017 23:15 RvB wrote: www.bloomberg.com Follow the link if you're interested in a little summary of the leaders of the main parties. Not sure why they included the animal party but the rest makes sense. Amazing! I have not talked to him for like, a decade, but the face of the leftist greens, Jesse Klaver, must be a close relative of one of the nearly original team liquid members! Liquid`Oaral's name was Chris Klaver, and he's a split image of Jesse. From the looks of it, that was my preferred party either way, but now I'm even more supportive. :D | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18183 Posts
On March 10 2017 04:53 a_flayer wrote: I'm debating between helping to bring the Pirates into parliament or to support the Greens. They're very similar in their overall agenda in terms of not literally causing the extinction of humanity, overall economics (but specifically with regards to banks), immigration and so forth, but I really like the focus of the Pirates on individual (digital) liberties and their ideas on copyright, patents, trademarks etc. They also dare to mention the word eDemocracy in their platform, while Klaver seems to be wussing out on the idea. Vote Pirates! Having that voice in the Tweede Kamer is more important than GL getting that seat. Think of it this way: if that seat is necessary for a coalition, the pirates might actually have immediate influence on policy. They're mostly a single-issue party, but on a very important issue. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7950 Posts
On March 10 2017 07:06 Acrofales wrote: Vote Pirates! Having that voice in the Tweede Kamer is more important than GL getting that seat. Think of it this way: if that seat is necessary for a coalition, the pirates might actually have immediate influence on policy. They're mostly a single-issue party, but on a very important issue. I don't think the pirates are a mature political force. I really would never consider voting for them even if they feel like a breath of fresh air. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Some bullte points from a German newspaper from the 2nd of march: --> reduce government employees by 120,000 --> reduce corporate tax from 33->25% --> punish employees that mostly issue limited contracts --> let retirement age remain at 62 yrs --> sell company shares where the state doesn't hold a majority and put the money (estimated 120 billion) into a infrastructure fund --> reduce number of politicians in both chambers of the parliament by a third | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7950 Posts
On March 10 2017 18:03 Artisreal wrote: He has but I can't tell you any english source at the moment. Wait for the LMD to publish something in that direction. Some bullte points from a German newspaper from the 2nd of march: --> reduce government employees by 120,000 --> reduce corporate tax from 33->25% --> punish employees that mostly issue limited contracts --> let retirement age remain at 62 yrs --> sell company shares where the state doesn't hold a majority and put the money (estimated 120 billion) into a infrastructure fund --> reduce number of politicians in both chambers of the parliament by a third As we say in France, being a centrist means you are neither left wing neither left wing. | ||
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Yurie
12000 Posts
On March 10 2017 10:03 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't think the pirates are a mature political force. I really would never consider voting for them even if they feel like a breath of fresh air. I voted for the Swedish pirate party for the EU parliament the time they got seats. Mostly because I did not see any important (for me) differences between the other Swedish parties. I did not do it in the previous election though since they were out of the race for any seats. Getting seats once changes policies of other parties so I can now go Green in most elections or find another party that also took up their values. A 1 issue party is something you vote on since you want change in the major parties way of doing things (for many people). It is the clearest signal of what you want as a voter, then when a few major parties picks up the issues you have choices in the next election. Or the 1 issue party matures when they have had paid people for a while and you can keep voting for them on other issues as well. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On March 11 2017 02:00 Big J wrote: Sometimes I feel like Pirates were the new progressive party of the generation Y, but they heavily underperformed due to the demographics in the Western world. Basically what the greens were 30 years ago. Sucks pretty badly that due to overaging in many parts of Europe we have been stuck with politic topics that are catering to pensioneers, soon-to-be pensioneers and people that are stuck in cold war thinking. Only a few years of pain ahead of us, time will eventually deliver. ![[image loading]](http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/176139MortprogrammeUMP.jpg) (Vote intentions in France depending on age, based on polls from a week ago or so.) Just look at Fillon's electorate (lightest blue), it's hilarious... | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1968 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 11 2017 02:28 LightSpectra wrote: Interesting that the baby boomers don't like Le Pen, it's the 25-50 year-olds that like her. My guess is that it's colored by their perceptions of what the FN was in their time. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On March 11 2017 02:28 LightSpectra wrote: Interesting that the baby boomers don't like Le Pen, it's the 25-50 year-olds that like her. Yup, they remember the openly racist father and were socialized at a time where voting for the far-right was shameful. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7950 Posts
On March 11 2017 02:31 LegalLord wrote: My guess is that it's colored by their perceptions of what the FN was in their time. Or they have the perspective to see what the FN really is. | ||
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