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Poland9325 Posts
On August 01 2016 03:11 xM(Z wrote: has there ever been, in US history, a time in which americans gathered up in a show of support for a ruler of a different country?. Quick "us pro hitler demonstration" google search says yes | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On August 01 2016 02:33 Scorch wrote: Turks who demostrate for a dictator have no chance of successful integration and thus have no business being in Europe. They should go back to Turkey if Erdogan is so great. Expecting people of foreign background to understand that there just might be a connection between Western culture and high levels of affluence and freedom, and to take it a step further and embrace it over the decaying, repressive dump they or their parents were so eager to leave seems a bit much to ask in these multicultural times we now live in. Anyone who has had the opportunity to live years in a place like Germany yet still supports an authoritarian Islamist like Erdogan is a lost cause. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6303 Posts
I know of Turkish women who went back to Turkey because they married someone there and then they realise that it's not as nice as they thought. Suddenly they're house wifes, 2nd class citizens and live in a 2nd world country. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On July 31 2016 20:11 WhiteDog wrote: + Show Spoiler + A young black guy named Adama Traore died in the north of Paris after being apprehended by the police. Now, since people love to victimize themselves, there's a ton of people that argue that he was the victim of some american-like event and that the police basically killed him because he was black. They organized a few march and chanted the "black lives matter" in english. According to the two autopsies that were made he was not beaten nor was he shot and was killed by "asphyxia", one of those atopsy claiming that he had a grave pulmonary infection while the second autopsy arguing that we need the result of blood tests and such that will come in august. The guy was arrested for rebellion because he refused the police to arrest his brother, researched for "extortion". Now the New York times relay this as "Black lives matter in France too" : http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/opinion/black-lives-matter-in-france-too.html Shit is ridiculous, makes me laugh. This is not the US yea i had the same reaction as you, apparently victimisation knows no boundaries they saw the US's riots so they want to do the same here to be trendy | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On August 01 2016 06:29 Makro wrote: yea i had the same reaction as you, apparently victimisation knows no boundaries they saw the US's riots so they want to do the same here to be trendy It's like watching the london BLM crowd shouting "hands up don't shoot" at the police. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On August 01 2016 06:46 Madkipz wrote: It's like watching the london BLM crowd shouting "hands up don't shoot" at the police. lol, do you have a picture or a video of that ? Seems interesting. I just learned talking to a friend that there is a group called "ferguson in Paris" that help financing and organizing the march in France. Seems like lobbying. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
BERLIN Turkey's foreign minister is demanding that the European Union say when its citizens will be granted visa-free entry and adds that, if the rules aren't loosened, Ankara will back off a deal to stem the flow of migrants into Europe. The visa offer was linked to the Turkey-EU migrant deal in March. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan already has said the deal could collapse if the EU reneges on the visa promise. Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu was quoted Sunday as telling the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung "if there is no visa liberalization, we will be forced to distance ourselves from the (migrant) readmission agreement." Cavusoglu says "it can be the beginning or the middle of October, but we expect a firm date" for visa-free entry. Source | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6303 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On August 01 2016 13:14 LegalLord wrote: If the EU had the spine for that sort of thing then there would have been no refugee crisis in the first place. So the answer is a resounding "no." The EU doesn't have that kind of power, the power lies with the national governments. It's funny that the EU is blamed for all kinds of problems that arise exactly because the power lies with the national governments, which are unable to set aside their differences and work together. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
This is something the EU should have been very good at dealing with. Instead it's one of its most visible and large scale failures. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On August 01 2016 16:23 LegalLord wrote: Indeed. One country decides it wants immigrants and decides to force it on all other countries when the cost becomes too high. A lot of those countries refuse to take immigrants. Soon the open border policies become a problem. This is something the EU should have been very good at dealing with. Instead it's one of its most visible and large scale failures. It's a failure because it doesn't have the means to make the common projects successes. Open borders without central means (or even concerted efforts) to defend the outer borders or regulate immigration, a common currency and economic area without a common economic policy, a political union without a common (or even concerted) foreign policy. Grand ideas, but the execution is all patchwork. How should it work? Even the perceived lack of democracy is a result of jealous national governments. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Recent events have convinced me that the latter is probably the only way the EU will survive. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
every god damn politician is backed by corporations within his own country(yes Germany + Merkel too) or/and some geopolitical masters(other than EU). Russia wants gas pipes and is cozying up to Turkey, Greece and ex-Yugoslavian countries; China wants a new silk road through the same ex-Yugoslavian countries up to Austria+Germany; Turkey wants mosques all over Balkans to spearhead islam. add to that the cluster fuck of inter-country relations within the Balkans where pretty much everyone hates each other in various degrees, then the perception of some that EU will go to shit sooner rather than later then tell me how, how in the hell are they supposed to be getting along?. i just don't get it. are they suppose to find a common goal, something that has to do with the well-being of human beings then take a common stance on it?. dude please ... wake up. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On August 01 2016 16:35 Maenander wrote: It's a failure because it doesn't have the means to make the common projects successes. Open borders without central means (or even concerted efforts) to defend the outer borders or regulate immigration, a common currency and economic area without a common economic policy, a political union without a common (or even concerted) foreign policy. Grand ideas, but the execution is all patchwork. How should it work? Even the perceived lack of democracy is a result of jealous national governments. Sometimes I think the national gouvernments only invented the EU to give it all the credit for the shit the national gouvernments want to force uppon their people. To the visa issue with turkey: Funny how the turks spin their country as "terrorist" infested by the Hizmet-movement and still think such a "terrorit" infested country should have free visaless movement within the Schengen area. | ||
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On August 01 2016 18:48 Clonester wrote: Sometimes I think the national gouvernments only invented the EU to give it all the credit for the shit the national gouvernments want to force uppon their people. To the visa issue with turkey: Funny how the turks spin their country as "terrorist" infested by the Hizmet-movement and still think such a "terrorit" infested country should have free visaless movement within the Schengen area. Exactly. I would so love to hear a european politician tell this to turkey. "How are we suposed to give your people free visas if there are all these secret gulenists hiding in your population?" | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6303 Posts
(Reuters) - Germany and the European Union should not be blackmailed by Turkey in talks on visa liberalisation for Turkish nationals, German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel said on Monday. "It is up to Turkey if there is or there isn't visa liberalisation," Gabriel said during a trip to northern Germany. "Germany and Europe should under no circumstances be blackmailed." Gabriel also welcomed a decision by Germany's highest court to prevent Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan from addressing via video-link a rally in Cologne on Sunday. Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in remarks published at the weekend that Ankara would back out of its agreement with the EU to stem the flow of migrants into the bloc if the EU doesn't deliver visa-free travel for Turks. Visa-free access to the EU - the main reward for Ankara's role in choking off an influx of migrants into Europe - has been subject to delays due to a dispute over Turkish anti-terrorism legislation and Ankara's crackdown after a failed coup. uk.mobile.reuters.com | ||
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