European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 410

On January 30 2016 20:12 m4ini wrote:


That seemed sarcastic, like the rest of his posting.


In other news, for germany we have now solid numbers on how amazing refugees and immigrants are for the economy. Remember? One of the big arguments, talking about how they will be a motor and whatnot?

You form your opinion.



Unemployment quota, top left is germany overall, top right is foreigner general. Rest is selfexplanatory.

And before people jump the gun: these numbers are not just "the recent months". It has been like this since 2010.

Experts are saying that this trend won't change, and that for the forseeable future refugees/immigrants will be a burden on the german welfare system.

On January 30 2016 21:24 silynxer wrote:
You are looking for coherence where there is none.

[EDIT]: m4ini, can you link to the comparable numbers from former years? Would be interesting.

So war die Arbeitslosenquote nach den Zahlen des IAB, dem Forschungsinstitut der Bundesagentur für Arbeit, unter Syrern, Irakern und Afghanen schon Ende 2010 mit jeweils rund 32 Prozent deutlich höher als bei anderen Herkunftsländern. Bei den Libanesen betrug sie auch damals schon fast 50 Prozent.

People who don't speak the language properly, don't share western values and have no education at all have problems integrating into the workforce. Who would have thought?

On January 30 2016 20:41 m4ini wrote:


The war prevents people from working in germany?

I'd say your argument is "apples and oranges". Maybe i didn't explain the graph well, that's not unemployment rate in syria (which your argument would work with), but it's syrians being unemployed in germany. Which has nothing to do with what's going on in syria.

edit: screw me not explaining stuff, you're able to read german. Read the title of the graph.

On January 30 2016 21:54 Doublemint wrote:


ah I misunderstood your point, my bad. you are saying there won't be any jobs for them in germany .

I would agree with that, though the way things are going with industry 4.0 - there won't be that many jobs left for generations to come. for all of us.
we better start thinking about that problem soon, even people at the WEF in davos were pretty concerned about it. lesser hours for everybody to spread the workload, less profit motif, basic income, machine tax. I don't know, fucking experts with many PhDs that studied this shit for years don't know.

but yes, there is some moral hazard involved. you don't have enough jobs for your people, but invite others in to participate. although, about half of the people won't be eligible for asylum anyway. people getting asylum and staying legally cannot work for years to come, the laws are that way in austria, I guess in germany as well.

On January 30 2016 23:53 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Every European country needs more workers. It is an issue of supply and demand. A demand in skilled workers needs to be avoided at all cost.

There always needs to be a shortage of jobs so there is a surplus of skilled workers. A certain number of unemployed skilled workers are needed. This keeps wages down. Once supply and demand become balanced, as there are less unemployed skilled workers, wages will go up and many companies in Europe suddenly can't compete with the US or Asia any more, meaning a collapse of the manufacturing industry in Europe and more unemployed people than before.

It is a race to the bottom. Europe has to balance on a knife edge here as labour unions aren't crippled like they are in the US.

On January 30 2016 20:12 m4ini wrote:


That seemed sarcastic, like the rest of his posting.


In other news, for germany we have now solid numbers on how amazing refugees and immigrants are for the economy. Remember? One of the big arguments, talking about how they will be a motor and whatnot?

You form your opinion.



Unemployment quota, top left is germany overall, top right is foreigner general. Rest is selfexplanatory.

And before people jump the gun: these numbers are not just "the recent months". It has been like this since 2010.

Experts are saying that this trend won't change, and that for the forseeable future refugees/immigrants will be a burden on the german welfare system.

Tens of thousands of people have gathered in Rome to protest against legislation that would allow civil unions for same-sex couples in Italy.

It is the only major western nation yet to grant gay couples the power to make a legal commitment or adopt children.

The Italian senate began examining the bill on Thursday. Its supporters argue that it must be voted in following repeated complaints from the European court of human rights about the country’s failure to change the law.

However, opponents hope their protest on Saturday, backed by the Catholic church, will prevent that happening. A similar “family day” protest in 2007 forced Romano Prodi’s government to abandon a much less ambitious civil union proposal.

The senate is expected to vote on the bill in mid-February before it goes to the lower house of parliament.

The Italian Bishops Conference (CEI) said on Friday it was concerned about the “process under way of putting marriage and civil unions on the same level – with the introduction of an alternative to the family”. Last week, Pope Francis reiterated the Catholic church’s opposition to gay marriage, saying that the traditional family was “the family God wants”.

Rally organiser Massimo Gandolfini called on as many people as possible to take part in “the only weapon we have”. Simone Pillon, another organiser, said: “We want the whole law to be withdrawn, no ifs and no buts. Children need to have a father and a mother.”

The prime minister, Matteo Renzi, has said he is confident the bill will pass, although his coalition partners oppose the adoption of children by a gay spouse. The Catholic fringe of Renzi’s Democratic party has similar objections.

The Italian senate began examining the bill on Thursday. Its supporters argue that it must be voted in following repeated complaints from the European court of human rights about the country’s failure to change the law.

On January 31 2016 00:34 Sent. wrote:


The only thing that surprises me about this graph is that there is more unemployment among Syrians than among people from Afghanistan. I would expect Syrians to have much better education and culture closer to European than Afghanis. However I don't believe all those people who said they're Syrian are actually from that country so maybe it's different in reality.

On January 29 2016 22:20 nitram wrote:

Are you serious? As if some factions are more dangerous than unified arabic countries that want to conquer you.

Analysis of 5704 original tweets containing #RefugeesWelcome” hashtag and a country name lead to even larger gap between Germany and the rest of Europe:

The next step is to study the source twitter accounts where the hashtag #RefugeesWelcome + Germany originate. Next diagram shows the countries of origin of the relevant twitter accounts (where they could be idenfitied):

As you see, only 6,4% of all tweets with “#RefugeesWelcome”+Germany came from Germany itself. Almost half of them were originated from UK, USA and Australia! Looks like your remote planetmates are blushlessly inviting guests to visit your home without inquiring your opinion beforehand!