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On January 10 2016 01:56 hfglgg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 01:48 Elizar wrote:On January 10 2016 01:34 SoSexy wrote:On January 10 2016 01:18 Elizar wrote:On January 10 2016 00:03 SoSexy wrote:
Let me understand this, you are german, new year's eve was as close to tragedy as possible, and your main worry is that in the future some people will fake rapes against immigrants? Maybe you should read more of my posts, before you insinuate THAT to be my main worry. On January 10 2016 00:03 SoSexy wrote:
Deathstar: the only xenophobia right now is that of immigrants who see western women like cattle. That is true xenophobia. Your politically correctness makes me sick. Ah yes, who´s the xenophobe now? *sigh* Maybe it is unclear, what xenophobia means? Yes, maybe it is unclear and you should take a read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XenophobiaDid you know that it does not work only one way? I don´t need to look it up. If I´m (also) "scared" of stupid Germans doing bad stuff like that woman did while being a German myself, that´s NOT xenophobia. are you trying to compare the mass sexual assaults on women all over germany by probably thousands of arabs where the majority of them were refugees with a single instance of a lunatic woman? this is the worst thing happend to germanys public security since 1945 and the reason is because we brought hundreds of thousands of men into our country for whom sexual assault is not a crime.
No I did not. Show me where I did that.
What I originally refered to was "letting Pegida do their thing, because they will not lie" is an idiotic thing to do. I thought that that was clear, if you read all of my posts and do not cherrypick the lines you like most, twist them and make me look like an asshole.
Let me be clear about what I think:
In my opinion we have taken so many refugees in, that this itself will cause problems. I do think providing shelter for people being threatened of being killed is a good thing. I do not say, that we should integrate everybody. But I realise also, that the war in Syria will not be solved in the next time. But letting everyone in the way it was done (zero to no pass controls, no limits etc.) was a very bad idea. Especially if Germany and very few other countries have to take them all alone while other countries act like it is not their problem. I also think, that Germany had this same attitude (i.e. this is not our problem, we have the Dublin treaty, let others handle it alone) for too long. But this 100% turn like it was done by Merkel made this whole mess possible.
Refugees will include bad people, if you can´t make sure, that these are not some fake syrians, liars, criminals, whatever. We did a pretty bad job by controlling it. I also think that even if we had controlled them better, some idiots would still be within them.
I see the whole refugee crisis in many ways problematic.
1) Too many people will cause secondary negative effects. We do not have enough space to give them apropriate shelter.
2) Integrating a lot of people with bad chances on the job markets will give people already living in Germany competition for jobs, which we already might have enough to provide a job for everybody. (I also don´t think we have a lack of skilled laborers, like the media always tries to tell us, but thats derailing this topic so I leave it at that.)
3) While taking in a lot of religious people with a cultural background, that never underwent the Aufklärung (Enlightment) will also throw us back in that regard.
4) We will have parallel societies. There is already a very big one made my Muslims, where they have a parallel justice system overseen by so called peace judges, who sabotage our courts. These problems will increase.
5) Refugees will cost a lot of money. They already do. Some will be able to integrate and pay taxes, but I fear most of them will not. Therefore a lot of money is lost. (That point is actually my least problem, since Germany paid already a lot of money for a lot of things and still is. This time at least it is helping people directly.)
6) Too many people will increase the numbers of right wingers like the AFD, Pegida, Nazis even hooligans. Mostly those people will profit of rational and irrational fears. There are enough simple minded people who will be attracted to easy solutions, which do not exist.
7) More refugees will increase the problems of other refugees, because a higher number of people will now share a room, less officials per refugee will exist to work through the applications of asylum etc.
8) many other problems that I currently don´t think of.
Despite all this I am not against refugees. These are also people. Yes, many behaved in a way that must be severely punished. It will be tough to prove those things and it makes me sick, that too many of them will not punished accordingly due to the lack of evidence. I also support the idea of decreasing the limits of what a foreigner must do to get deported. Btw. that is already tackled by politics and I hope sth. useful will come out of it. If you can´t behave in a foreign country you lost your right to be there in my oppinion.
BUT there is no way that I will blame over 1 000 000 people for the faults of less than 1%. If I would do that that I must also assume that every Italian is a xenophobe and every German like to burn refugee housings and is a Nazi.
I´m a teacher and many of my students have a migrational background (actually roughly half of my best students have a migrational background and I like and respect them very much). I can tell that these people are in principal no different from my other students. Colleagues of mine are also from other countries, so what? They make a fine job like the rest.
So no, I´m not a xenophobe, but I also will not hyperventilate and prevent myself from trying to look at the situation from a most possible reasonable position. Panic and hate are bad advisors.
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yeah i misread the context of your post, sorry for that.
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BUT there is no way that I will blame over 1 000 000 people for the faults of less than 1%. If I would do that that I must also assume that every Italian is a xenophobe and every German like to burn refugee housings and is a Nazi.
I´m a teacher and many of my students have a migrational background (actually roughly half of my best students have a migrational background and I like and respect them very much). I can tell that these people are in principal no different from my other students. Colleagues of mine are also from other countries, so what? They make a fine job like the rest.
So no, I´m not a xenophobe, but I also will not hyperventilate and prevent myself from trying to look at the situation from a most possible reasonable position. Panic and hate are bad advisors.
This. And I'm against refugees, but not for the usual reasons: I strongly believe we dont have the capacity right now to offer them what they want and to assimilate them. Because economy and, sadly, racism/xenophobia as shown by a lot here.
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On January 10 2016 03:05 hfglgg wrote:
yeah i misread the context of post, sorry for that.
Accepted.
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On January 10 2016 03:08 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +
BUT there is no way that I will blame over 1 000 000 people for the faults of less than 1%. If I would do that that I must also assume that every Italian is a xenophobe and every German like to burn refugee housings and is a Nazi.
I´m a teacher and many of my students have a migrational background (actually roughly half of my best students have a migrational background and I like and respect them very much). I can tell that these people are in principal no different from my other students. Colleagues of mine are also from other countries, so what? They make a fine job like the rest.
So no, I´m not a xenophobe, but I also will not hyperventilate and prevent myself from trying to look at the situation from a most possible reasonable position. Panic and hate are bad advisors.
This. And I'm against refugees, but not for the usual reasons: I strongly believe we dont have the capacity right now to offer them what they want and to assimilate them. Because economy and, sadly, racism/xenophobia as shown by a lot here.
We have the same problem in Germany 
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On January 10 2016 01:49 Incognoto wrote:Please tell me there aren't people in this thread which are defending the molesting? Especially when it was done en masse... euh. disgusting. I'd be infuriated were I German right now, with a sister. Funnily enough, I only heard of this today when browsing TL.net randomly. The French media has not even MENTIONED this tragedy at all (I listen to the radio daily). I didn't know we lived in a fascist country where the media was controlled. To have a mass rape completely ignored in such a manner is absolutely astonishing edit: reread the thread a bit and this one post is a diamond Show nested quote +You're too overly dramatic. It's a small group of black and brown people who did the attacks. These people (many young and still mentally undeveloped) are in a new area and culture and are adjusting. Overall, they are peaceful (I don't know why I need to keep stating the obvious).
In due time, these Arabs will be tax payers and contribute to the overall welfare of Germany and native Germans. you think that rape is excusable because they are "young" and their mentality is "underdeveloped"? are you for fucking real? I DARE you to go to one of the victims of that night and say that to them with a straight face. I DARE you. I'm not anti-refugee or anything like that, nor do I think that this event (or the terror attacks in France) should ignore the war effort going into the accommodation of refugees. however i cannot either say with a straight face that mass molestation and harassment is something where an excuse can be found. if you think there is, you need a reality check there are lots of legitimate refugees coming into europe, but there are also a fuck load of assholes, delinquents and criminals coming with them. that is the simple reality, get over it.
I am not excusing them but it was to be expected. The handful of men and women who will unfortunately suffer are collateral for the greater humanitarian and economic payoff in the future. Keep the big picture in mind.
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On January 09 2016 05:24 Nyxisto wrote:
In principle that's obviously true but it's always a little hypocritical given the huge numbers of Western expats who pretty much live in their own gated communities, The UAE are like 85% foreign workforce now. Is not adapting to the local culture okay as long as you're earning enough money? Always seems to me like adopting the local culture is a responsibility that primarily falls on the poor. Düsseldorf has a huge Japanese community which is completely isolated. Own kindergartens, own stores everything in Japanese obviously, no one actually cares though.
That's the thing, isn't it? Most western expats do their work in countries that are poorer, because they have skills that are not abundant among the native populace. Expats generally come from very to extremely well-educated backgrounds, and tend to be well-off (and have little trouble finding a new job If their contracts expires). Expatriates, like the name implies, do not aim to stay forever in the country they work in. It's a temporary situation, mainly because it allows them to earn a lot more than they would in their home countries. My wife is Malaysian, and she knows quite some people who are working as nurses in Saudi Arabia because while the working conditions are similar (but still inhumane to our standards), the pay is significantly higher.
On top of that, the foreign workforce in UAE is there knowing full well that citizenship will never, ever be granted.
The situation for the refugees/migrants coming to the EU is completely different: they aim to stay and build up new lives here. This makes learning the language and behaving properly according to the rules and standards a priority.
To put it more bluntly: expats bring in highly sought-after skills and pay taxes in the country they work in, while economic migrants tend to cost society money (in Belgium only 45% of asylum seekers had a job four years after their refugee application had been approved) and rarely have sought-after skills or even basic education. The bargaining position of the former is much, much better than that of the latter.
And no-one cares about an isolated Japanese community in Düsseldorf because unlike isolated Muslim communities, the Japanese do not have a history of religious radicalisation and violence. In Antwerp there is an isolated community of orthodox Jews. No-one cares because they never threaten to blow themselves up and/or kill non-believers.
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On January 10 2016 03:18 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 01:49 Incognoto wrote:Please tell me there aren't people in this thread which are defending the molesting? Especially when it was done en masse... euh. disgusting. I'd be infuriated were I German right now, with a sister. Funnily enough, I only heard of this today when browsing TL.net randomly. The French media has not even MENTIONED this tragedy at all (I listen to the radio daily). I didn't know we lived in a fascist country where the media was controlled. To have a mass rape completely ignored in such a manner is absolutely astonishing edit: reread the thread a bit and this one post is a diamond You're too overly dramatic. It's a small group of black and brown people who did the attacks. These people (many young and still mentally undeveloped) are in a new area and culture and are adjusting. Overall, they are peaceful (I don't know why I need to keep stating the obvious).
In due time, these Arabs will be tax payers and contribute to the overall welfare of Germany and native Germans. you think that rape is excusable because they are "young" and their mentality is "underdeveloped"? are you for fucking real? I DARE you to go to one of the victims of that night and say that to them with a straight face. I DARE you. I'm not anti-refugee or anything like that, nor do I think that this event (or the terror attacks in France) should ignore the war effort going into the accommodation of refugees. however i cannot either say with a straight face that mass molestation and harassment is something where an excuse can be found. if you think there is, you need a reality check there are lots of legitimate refugees coming into europe, but there are also a fuck load of assholes, delinquents and criminals coming with them. that is the simple reality, get over it. I am not excusing them but it was to be expected. The handful of men and women who will unfortunately suffer are collateral for the greater humanitarian and economic payoff in the future. Keep the big picture in mind.
unfortunately refugees are not productive enough for the german market and males dont give birth, so the male refugees are more or less completely useless for us.
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On January 10 2016 02:34 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 01:49 Incognoto wrote:
Funnily enough, I only heard of this today when browsing TL.net randomly. The French media has not even MENTIONED this tragedy at all (I listen to the radio daily). I didn't know we lived in a fascist country where the media was controlled. To have a mass rape completely ignored in such a manner is absolutely astonishing Yes, there has been no mention of this in the French media at all. It's totally not you who's been living under a rock. + Show Spoiler +
I meant radio. you have to admit it's pretty astonishing that i know that françois hollande went to commemorate some plaques in front of charlie hebdo and the super market, but i didn't hear about this. obviously, some french coverage will take place on these events.
but it's not exactly viral. i didn't hear about it on the radio, nor did i hear about this from people i know. seems quite hush hush. i don't go out of my way to look into news and but i'd consider this big enough that i'd hear about it.
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On January 10 2016 03:26 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 02:34 kwizach wrote:On January 10 2016 01:49 Incognoto wrote:
Funnily enough, I only heard of this today when browsing TL.net randomly. The French media has not even MENTIONED this tragedy at all (I listen to the radio daily). I didn't know we lived in a fascist country where the media was controlled. To have a mass rape completely ignored in such a manner is absolutely astonishing Yes, there has been no mention of this in the French media at all. It's totally not you who's been living under a rock. + Show Spoiler + I meant radio. you have to admit it's pretty astonishing that i know that françois hollande went to commemorate some plaques in front of charlie hebdo and the super market, but i didn't hear about this. obviously, some french coverage will take place on these events. but it's not exactly viral. i didn't hear about it on the radio, nor did i hear about this from people i know. seems quite hush hush. i don't go out of my way to look into news and but i'd consider this big enough that i'd hear about it.
Now you do. Praise teamliquid 
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On January 10 2016 03:26 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 02:34 kwizach wrote:On January 10 2016 01:49 Incognoto wrote:
Funnily enough, I only heard of this today when browsing TL.net randomly. The French media has not even MENTIONED this tragedy at all (I listen to the radio daily). I didn't know we lived in a fascist country where the media was controlled. To have a mass rape completely ignored in such a manner is absolutely astonishing Yes, there has been no mention of this in the French media at all. It's totally not you who's been living under a rock. + Show Spoiler + I meant radio. you have to admit it's pretty astonishing that i know that françois hollande went to commemorate some plaques in front of charlie hebdo and the super market, but i didn't hear about this. obviously, some french coverage will take place on these events. but it's not exactly viral. i didn't hear about it on the radio, nor did i hear about this from people i know. seems quite hush hush. i don't go out of my way to look into news and but i'd consider this big enough that i'd hear about it.
First of all, it doesn't seem "quite hush hush" at all, since it has been all over the news -- including TV, newspapers, internet and radio. Here are two examples (you'll easily find more on google): http://www.rtl.fr/actu/societe-faits-divers/le-journal-rtl-du-06-janv-2016-6-7781199867 & http://www.franceinter.fr/player/reecouter?play=1218027. I don't know how you managed to avoid the news over the last few days, but you can hardly blame the media when the event has been extensively covered.
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On January 10 2016 03:49 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 03:26 Incognoto wrote:On January 10 2016 02:34 kwizach wrote:On January 10 2016 01:49 Incognoto wrote:
Funnily enough, I only heard of this today when browsing TL.net randomly. The French media has not even MENTIONED this tragedy at all (I listen to the radio daily). I didn't know we lived in a fascist country where the media was controlled. To have a mass rape completely ignored in such a manner is absolutely astonishing Yes, there has been no mention of this in the French media at all. It's totally not you who's been living under a rock. + Show Spoiler + I meant radio. you have to admit it's pretty astonishing that i know that françois hollande went to commemorate some plaques in front of charlie hebdo and the super market, but i didn't hear about this. obviously, some french coverage will take place on these events. but it's not exactly viral. i didn't hear about it on the radio, nor did i hear about this from people i know. seems quite hush hush. i don't go out of my way to look into news and but i'd consider this big enough that i'd hear about it. First of all, it doesn't seem "quite hush hush" at all, since it has been all over the news -- including TV, newspapers, internet and radio. Here are two examples (you'll easily find more on google): http://www.rtl.fr/actu/societe-faits-divers/le-journal-rtl-du-06-janv-2016-6-7781199867 & http://www.franceinter.fr/player/reecouter?play=1218027. I don't know how you managed to avoid the news over the last few days, but you can hardly blame the media when the event has been extensively covered.
as I said, i don't particularly follow the news on some days, because i just focus on uni work, drive, eat, play a game or two and sleep.
so obviously i'm sort of living under a rock. however even when you live under a rock, most often you still hear the big news when it comes. the point i'm making is that i would easily consider something as unheard of as mass sexual assault in germany as something "big-enough-that-even-if-you-live-under-a-rock-you-hear-about", but it seems that french media doesn't consider it that big.
over the course of the week there are a few bits of news which i heard about (while living under a rock), off the top of my head:
about hollande commemorating charlie hebdo victims,
i've heard that the people who were suing bfmtv for revealing the position of a hostage hidden in a closet in the jewish supermarket have dropped their charges in exchange for €60k donated to a jewish charity for terror victims,
i've heard that valls said that stripping the nationality from people who only have the french nationality was out of the question, due to it being unconstitutional ("apatrie" or something).
i've heard all of that, while living under a rock and only tuning to news radios when all the music radios play commercials. how have i managed to hear so many trivial pieces of information, but i haven't heard ONE mention of something which is absolutely unheard of in europe: namely mass sexual assault? it's weird as fuck, that's my point
also weird as fuck are people who somehow blame the refugees for this (in this thread), honestly i don't know why we're mixing up the issues between refugees and sex offenders. let's just say this is quite a peculiar moment for me personally, but humor me, because it's dark under this rock
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On January 10 2016 06:10 Incognoto wrote:
i've heard all of that, while living under a rock and only tuning to news radios when all the music radios play commercials. how have i managed to hear so many trivial pieces of information, but i haven't heard ONE mention of something which is absolutely unheard of in europe: namely mass sexual assault? it's weird as fuck, that's my point
also weird as fuck are people who somehow blame the refugees for this (in this thread), honestly i don't know why we're mixing up the issues between refugees and sex offenders. let's just say this is quite a peculiar moment for me personally, but humor me, because it's dark under this rock
1) Even german media only reported it after 4 days have already passed. They got heavily crticized for that.
2) If every police officer, eye witness and victim reports that the sexual assault was done by people of "north african origin", then there is a connection. At least it should be investigated. There was no such thing in Germany prior to the refugee crisis in that magnitude. Simultaneously at several places if I may add. Naturally people panic and feel threatened and who can blame them?
3) People in Germany are used to be able to walk in crowded areas without the fear of getting attacked. That has changed and many people see the great deal of uncontrolled refugees as the cause. So the situation of Germans, especially women has become unsafer.
4) It will worsen the situation of the majority of refugees as well on many levels, since many people seem to be unable to or simply don´t want to differentiate between the culprits and innocent refugees, who had nothing to do with the whole situation.
5) There is nothing funny about it.
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On January 10 2016 07:06 Elizar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 06:10 Incognoto wrote:
i've heard all of that, while living under a rock and only tuning to news radios when all the music radios play commercials. how have i managed to hear so many trivial pieces of information, but i haven't heard ONE mention of something which is absolutely unheard of in europe: namely mass sexual assault? it's weird as fuck, that's my point
also weird as fuck are people who somehow blame the refugees for this (in this thread), honestly i don't know why we're mixing up the issues between refugees and sex offenders. let's just say this is quite a peculiar moment for me personally, but humor me, because it's dark under this rock 1) Even german media only reported it after 4 days have already passed. They got heavily crticized for that. 2) If every police officer, eye witness and victim reports that the sexual assault was done by people of "north african origin", then there is a connection. At least it should be investigated. There was no such thing in Germany prior to the refugee crisis in that magnitude. Simultaneously at several places if I may add. Naturally people panic and feel threatened and who can blame them? 3) People in Germany are used to be able to walk in crowded areas without the fear of getting attacked. That has changed and many people see the great deal of uncontrolled refugees as the cause. So the situation of Germans, especially women has become unsafer. 4) It will worsen the situation of the majority of refugees as well on many levels, since many people seem to be unable to or simply don´t want to differentiate between the culprits and innocent refugees, who had nothing to do with the whole situation. 5) There is nothing funny about it.
I never insinuated there was anything remotely funny about this. It's appalling.
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On January 10 2016 07:06 Elizar wrote:
3) People in Germany are used to be able to walk in crowded areas without the fear of getting attacked. That has changed and many people see the great deal of uncontrolled refugees as the cause. So the situation of Germans, especially women has become unsafer.
People can still walk through Cologne even through very crowded areas without being afraid of attacked. I actually saw a lot of people today doing exactly that. What happens on NYE sucked, but Germany hasn't suddenly become significantly more dangerous than it was a week or two or a month or a year ago.
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On January 10 2016 01:56 hfglgg wrote:
... this is the worst thing happend to germanys public security since 1945 and the reason is because we brought hundreds of thousands of men into our country for whom sexual assault is not a crime.
This statement is so fucking ignorant it should warrant a mandatory integration course for you!
Since unification at least 156 people have been killed by Neo-Nazis. Right wing mobs hunt blacks in the streets of Dresden regularly and you seriously think drunk asylum seekers are the worst problem we have in public security? Get all the way out of my face with this bullshit!
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On January 10 2016 07:16 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 07:06 Elizar wrote:
3) People in Germany are used to be able to walk in crowded areas without the fear of getting attacked. That has changed and many people see the great deal of uncontrolled refugees as the cause. So the situation of Germans, especially women has become unsafer.
People can still walk through Cologne even through very crowded areas without being afraid of attacked. I actually saw a lot of people today doing exactly that. What happens on NYE sucked, but Germany hasn't suddenly become significantly more dangerous than it was a week or two or a month or a year ago.
I wonder if you could say that with a straight face to the victims of NYE, or perhaps to the family members of the terror attacks in France. When is Germany going to suffer its own terror attacks? What about those who attacked fire fighters in Corsica?
It's so easy to say "we're all safe" etc. and I'm all for solidarity and humanity and whatnot. But sometimes it feels like people just outright deny reality. Perhaps people should look to nuance their views.
I'm not saying that we should brand a certain type of person as dangerous, that would stupid. Refugee, North African, no, let's not put labels on those people. But that doesn't mean that we should turn a blind eye towards people of that category, BECAUSE they are in such a "controversial" category. There will be a few bad apples which will cause problems; and potentially serious ones.
You can't really brush off massive sexual assault, this isn't an isolated event or anything. It's quite unheard of and absolutely shocking. It's better not to brush it off because you want refugees to be "accepted".
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On January 10 2016 07:16 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 07:06 Elizar wrote:
3) People in Germany are used to be able to walk in crowded areas without the fear of getting attacked. That has changed and many people see the great deal of uncontrolled refugees as the cause. So the situation of Germans, especially women has become unsafer.
People can still walk through Cologne even through very crowded areas without being afraid of attacked. I actually saw a lot of people today doing exactly that. What happens on NYE sucked, but Germany hasn't suddenly become significantly more dangerous than it was a week or two or a month or a year ago.
I agree. But feeling secure has also a psychological component. And that was damaged for some people.
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On January 10 2016 07:22 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 07:16 Nyxisto wrote:On January 10 2016 07:06 Elizar wrote:
3) People in Germany are used to be able to walk in crowded areas without the fear of getting attacked. That has changed and many people see the great deal of uncontrolled refugees as the cause. So the situation of Germans, especially women has become unsafer.
People can still walk through Cologne even through very crowded areas without being afraid of attacked. I actually saw a lot of people today doing exactly that. What happens on NYE sucked, but Germany hasn't suddenly become significantly more dangerous than it was a week or two or a month or a year ago. I wonder if you could say that with a straight face to the victims of NYE, or perhaps to the family members of the terror attacks in France. When is Germany going to suffer its own terror attacks? What about those who attacked fire fighters in Corsica? It's so easy to say "we're all safe" etc. and I'm all for solidarity and humanity and whatnot. But sometimes it feels like people just outright deny reality. Perhaps people should look to nuance their views.
A million and 2 bad things can happy to you every moment of your life and yet we keep on going through life as if they wont happen.
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On January 10 2016 07:22 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 07:16 Nyxisto wrote:On January 10 2016 07:06 Elizar wrote:
3) People in Germany are used to be able to walk in crowded areas without the fear of getting attacked. That has changed and many people see the great deal of uncontrolled refugees as the cause. So the situation of Germans, especially women has become unsafer.
People can still walk through Cologne even through very crowded areas without being afraid of attacked. I actually saw a lot of people today doing exactly that. What happens on NYE sucked, but Germany hasn't suddenly become significantly more dangerous than it was a week or two or a month or a year ago. I wonder if you could say that with a straight face to the victims of NYE, or perhaps to the family members of the terror attacks in France. When is Germany going to suffer its own terror attacks? What about those who attacked fire fighters in Corsica? It's so easy to say "we're all safe" etc. and I'm all for solidarity and humanity and whatnot. But sometimes it feels like people just outright deny reality. Perhaps people should look to nuance their views.
Many victims of the paris terror attacks have said this themselves. The point is not that we're all safe, but that there is no such thing as perfect safety. No German citizen right now is significantly more endangered than he was a year ago, no matter how fast the media circus spins.
This hasn't anything to do with denying reality but with adopting an attitude that isn't dominated by fear or insecurity. Apart from that, pretty much every European nation right now is significantly safer than it was two or three decades ago. Violent crime of all kinds has rapidly plummeted and continues to do so, immigration aside.
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