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Some people have busy weeks.
Don't be so defensive when people ask for sources for your numbers. If they are so commonly known, it shouldn't be too hard to find one. Being able to ask for sources is a necessity for reasonable conversation on the internet, people just make up way too many numbers randomly, which then get used by other people, and suddenly a number someone pulled out of his ass has become fact just because it got repeated often enough.
Notice how i backed my numbers up as soon as they were questioned, even though the news may be outdated, yet you still haven't produced a single citation for your numbers.
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On January 10 2016 12:44 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 12:27 Nyxisto wrote:
Actually crime rates, both violent and non-violent in the Arabic and Muslim World in general are way lower than in the Western World, countries currently being at war aside obvoiusly. Patriarchic structures and institutionalized discrimination against women are obviously way worse, but if you think assaulting women on the streets of Dakar or Dubai is going to get you a cheering crowd I would advise you to avoid those countries while travelling. Sex crimes are inexistant there simply because they're not punished. It goes like this "I was raped !" "Were you a virgin ?" "No" "Case dismissed" Seriously, foreign women reporters covering the "arab springs" have been raped, one had dozens of men all over her raping her with their fingers while taking selfies. Just google "reporter raped in", google will autocomplete with basically all the list of arab countries for you to pick one...
Lol I googled it and I only got one popular case that says gang rape over and over for the same woman. All of those articles use a liberal use of the word rape. She was groped, "pinched," and parts of her clothes ripped.
You say rape and a much different image arises. This is inflammatory just to justify rage against arabs.
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yet you still haven't produced a single citation for your numbers.
Apart from every single news outlet that isn't a week old confirming his statement.
In a funny twist, it turned out the person who attacked the french police station was a refugee from germany - living in one of the refugee camps around my old appartment.
Registered under four names, of syrian, marokkan, georgian and tunesien origin. Was known to the police for other crimes. Was posing with IS flags in front of the refugee camp, on the radar as potential terrorist since 2015. Disappeared completely in december 2015, and we know where he turned up.
Nah, the way we handle refugees is just fine.
Side note, people should be careful with what and how they're defending things, considering it's almost february. Where there's another big party in cologne, with more skin to be seen too.
Let's wait and see if and how Karneval changed this year. May it be through mass sexual harassment, or massive police forces everywhere to prevent those.
Lol I googled it and I only got one popular case that says gang rape over and over for the same woman. All of those articles use a liberal use of the word rape. She was groped, "pinched," and parts of her clothes ripped.
You say rape and a much different image arises. This is inflammatory just to justify rage against arabs.
Did you also read what else happened there that day? The other 91 sexually assaulted women (or dare i say: the parallels to NYE)?
It's not inflammatory btw. You don't need to stick your dick into someone to call it rape. Anything that penetrates, in the case of that reporter, fingers, is enough to call it rape - even by definition (and if you'd go by the original meaning, every sexual violation is rape, but not needed here). There's no need to use inflammatory words to justify rage against arabs, when we're talking about sexually assaulting and raping women.
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On January 10 2016 15:33 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 12:44 MrCon wrote:On January 10 2016 12:27 Nyxisto wrote:
Actually crime rates, both violent and non-violent in the Arabic and Muslim World in general are way lower than in the Western World, countries currently being at war aside obvoiusly. Patriarchic structures and institutionalized discrimination against women are obviously way worse, but if you think assaulting women on the streets of Dakar or Dubai is going to get you a cheering crowd I would advise you to avoid those countries while travelling. Sex crimes are inexistant there simply because they're not punished. It goes like this "I was raped !" "Were you a virgin ?" "No" "Case dismissed" Seriously, foreign women reporters covering the "arab springs" have been raped, one had dozens of men all over her raping her with their fingers while taking selfies. Just google "reporter raped in", google will autocomplete with basically all the list of arab countries for you to pick one... Lol I googled it and I only got one popular case that says gang rape over and over for the same woman. All of those articles use a liberal use of the word rape. She was groped, "pinched," and parts of her clothes ripped. You say rape and a much different image arises. This is inflammatory just to justify rage against arabs.
it has the same sentence as rape and that for good reason.
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On January 10 2016 13:06 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 06:10 Incognoto wrote:On January 10 2016 03:49 kwizach wrote:On January 10 2016 03:26 Incognoto wrote:On January 10 2016 02:34 kwizach wrote:On January 10 2016 01:49 Incognoto wrote:
Funnily enough, I only heard of this today when browsing TL.net randomly. The French media has not even MENTIONED this tragedy at all (I listen to the radio daily). I didn't know we lived in a fascist country where the media was controlled. To have a mass rape completely ignored in such a manner is absolutely astonishing Yes, there has been no mention of this in the French media at all. It's totally not you who's been living under a rock. + Show Spoiler + I meant radio. you have to admit it's pretty astonishing that i know that françois hollande went to commemorate some plaques in front of charlie hebdo and the super market, but i didn't hear about this. obviously, some french coverage will take place on these events. but it's not exactly viral. i didn't hear about it on the radio, nor did i hear about this from people i know. seems quite hush hush. i don't go out of my way to look into news and but i'd consider this big enough that i'd hear about it. First of all, it doesn't seem "quite hush hush" at all, since it has been all over the news -- including TV, newspapers, internet and radio. Here are two examples (you'll easily find more on google): http://www.rtl.fr/actu/societe-faits-divers/le-journal-rtl-du-06-janv-2016-6-7781199867 & http://www.franceinter.fr/player/reecouter?play=1218027. I don't know how you managed to avoid the news over the last few days, but you can hardly blame the media when the event has been extensively covered. as I said, i don't particularly follow the news on some days, because i just focus on uni work, drive, eat, play a game or two and sleep. so obviously i'm sort of living under a rock. however even when you live under a rock, most often you still hear the big news when it comes. the point i'm making is that i would easily consider something as unheard of as mass sexual assault in germany as something "big-enough-that-even-if-you-live-under-a-rock-you-hear-about", but it seems that french media doesn't consider it that big. over the course of the week there are a few bits of news which i heard about (while living under a rock), off the top of my head: about hollande commemorating charlie hebdo victims, i've heard that the people who were suing bfmtv for revealing the position of a hostage hidden in a closet in the jewish supermarket have dropped their charges in exchange for €60k donated to a jewish charity for terror victims, i've heard that valls said that stripping the nationality from people who only have the french nationality was out of the question, due to it being unconstitutional ("apatrie" or something). i've heard all of that, while living under a rock and only tuning to news radios when all the music radios play commercials. how have i managed to hear so many trivial pieces of information, but i haven't heard ONE mention of something which is absolutely unheard of in europe: namely mass sexual assault? it's weird as fuck, that's my point also weird as fuck are people who somehow blame the refugees for this (in this thread), honestly i don't know why we're mixing up the issues between refugees and sex offenders. let's just say this is quite a peculiar moment for me personally, but humor me, because it's dark under this rock Are we supposed to try explaining why you didn't hear about a particular story which was covered extensively in the media? Stop accusing the French media: they have been covering the story since it came out. In your first post, you wrote "The French media has not even MENTIONED this tragedy at all (I listen to the radio daily)", which is 100% false (for newspapers, TV, internet and the radio), and made a comparison to a "fascist country where the media was controlled". The media is not to blame, you are for not paying attention to the stories they're covering. I don't know how you heard about other stuff, perhaps your friends like to react to French news on facebook, but the media covered the damn Cologne story.
I'm saying it's weird as hell. Obviously my initial comments were over the top, however it's nonetheless still interesting the little interest French media has in the matter. I've already explicitly said that I did not pay attention to the media at all this week, yet I have a handful of news pieces which I remember. Cologne is somehow not one of those news pieces. None of my friends or family have discussed this with me at all.
Well, again, I digress and we're going off topic. Nonetheless, I felt that it's necessary to share this personal anecdote.
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So meanwhile in Sweden a similar but smaller event (90 cases) in August over the course of 3 days in a concert was covered up by the media. They posted a news story about it after Köln and then the sources of the original story tipped alternate media about it. First reporter apparantly got pissed as hell when her source had recorded everything and sent it forward, you know like a journalist would.
Reason for it was that they thougth it was just racist fabrications.
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What happened in cologne is apparently called "taharrush gamea", meaning "collective sexual assault". Well known and apparently common problem in some arabic countries.
Was the first occurrence in germany, but you know something is not rare if it has a specific description in the countries where it occurs constantly.
And yes, that's something that is arabic, and has to do with their patriarchal structures. Who would've thought that they wouldn't drop the behaviour that's so convenient for males.
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On January 10 2016 17:43 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
So meanwhile in Sweden a similar but smaller event (90 cases) in August over the course of 3 days in a concert was covered up by the media. They posted a news story about it after Köln and then the sources of the original story tipped alternate media about it. First reporter apparantly got pissed as hell when her source had recorded everything and sent it forward, you know like a journalist would.
Reason for it was that they thougth it was just racist fabrications.
Link, snälla.
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On January 10 2016 07:16 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 07:06 Elizar wrote:
3) People in Germany are used to be able to walk in crowded areas without the fear of getting attacked. That has changed and many people see the great deal of uncontrolled refugees as the cause. So the situation of Germans, especially women has become unsafer.
People can still walk through Cologne even through very crowded areas without being afraid of attacked. I actually saw a lot of people today doing exactly that. What happens on NYE sucked, but Germany hasn't suddenly become significantly more dangerous than it was a week or two or a month or a year ago.
Thats because the Arabs have been there longer then a week or two or a month ago. Now compare how much more dangerous it is now than 2 years ago. Worst part is women don't realize they can't go jogging in the middle of the night like they used to and end up getting raped by refugees who don't even care that they are raping 14 year old girls. This crisis is a catastrophic failure and people are starting to realize this. Support is declining and the cold winters are approaching. Interesting times ahead.
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On January 10 2016 17:59 nitram wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 07:16 Nyxisto wrote:On January 10 2016 07:06 Elizar wrote:
3) People in Germany are used to be able to walk in crowded areas without the fear of getting attacked. That has changed and many people see the great deal of uncontrolled refugees as the cause. So the situation of Germans, especially women has become unsafer.
People can still walk through Cologne even through very crowded areas without being afraid of attacked. I actually saw a lot of people today doing exactly that. What happens on NYE sucked, but Germany hasn't suddenly become significantly more dangerous than it was a week or two or a month or a year ago. Thats because the Arabs have been there longer then a week or two or a month ago. Now compare how much more dangerous it is now than 2 years ago. Worst part is women don't realize they can't go jogging in the middle of the night like they used to and end up getting raped by refugees who don't even care that they are raping 14 year old girls. This crisis is a catastrophic failure and people are starting to realize this. Support is declining and the cold winters are approaching. Interesting times ahead.
It's an absolute travesty that the west has become so sheltered as to believe that importing a million people from a third world war torn shit hole would have no serious consequences.
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There's a simple reason why these politicians did this. It's all about economy and having more submissive workers. Nothing more.
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On January 10 2016 18:09 Furikawari wrote:
There's a simple reason why these politicians did this. It's all about economy and having more submissive workers. Nothing more.
we are not in the 1950 anymore. there is almost no room for unqualified workers.
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Are there any existing statistics regarding unskilled workers in Germany? I hear people talk about these migrants and how they are gonna be great for unskilled labor, but what is Germany's need?
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On January 10 2016 18:28 Mohdoo wrote:
Are there any existing statistics regarding unskilled workers in Germany? I hear people talk about these migrants and how they are gonna be great for unskilled labor, but what is Germany's need?
almost non existent. even the heaviest supporters of the refugees (the green party) are estimating that 90% of the refugees will never work in a regular job.
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On January 10 2016 18:09 Furikawari wrote:
There's a simple reason why these politicians did this. It's all about economy and having more submissive workers. Nothing more.
They want to import a million people that will vote for them in the future.
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On January 10 2016 18:09 Furikawari wrote:
There's a simple reason why these politicians did this. It's all about economy and having more submissive workers. Nothing more.
Submissive worker in 2016 is spelled ROBOT.
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On January 10 2016 18:56 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 18:09 Furikawari wrote:
There's a simple reason why these politicians did this. It's all about economy and having more submissive workers. Nothing more. They want to import a million people that will vote for them in the future.
so you want to tell me that CDU/CSU - germany's leading conservative party since the end of WWII - brought an additional ~ 1,2million people into a country of already ~80 million for more votes?
the economic/human rights issue makes a whole lot more sense, but that's for everyone else to decide on their own I guess.
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It's not hard to be confused beyond belief after a completely insane policy is implemented with no clear benefits at all.
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