European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 262

On September 07 2015 12:17 Plansix wrote:

So racist can have good ideas too? I've been doing it wrong those whole time. Clearly we need to listen to more racist to make sure we army missing out /s

On September 07 2015 12:32 Plansix wrote:

I'm in awe of the mental gymnastics required to take the phrase "Muslims have limited mental abilities due to their ethnic and cultural background" and come to the conclusion that this is a theory we should be looking into. There could be something to this Asians being better than Muslims thing.

On September 07 2015 08:09 Yuljan wrote:


Where did I ever pretend they are equal? And if cultural/ethnic background is not responsible for their problems what is?

As with your responses on economic topics you once again provide no sources. Seems to me they underperformed the general population quite significantly.

https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/sites/default/files/museucitiesfra_20080101_0.pdf&q=french education immigrants muslim&ved=0CDAQFjAGOBRqFQoTCN_4p4HC48cCFYfrFAod2t0LSw&usg=AFQjCNGSs3cDsY4XCpv8Z6n2qjqKo22uQg&sig2=cpqjnyIyteXSesirLKU0sA

I would gladly trade 500k muslim immigrants for 5m east asians.

Rate of general and technical school graduates among children whose parents did not have a bachelor degree
Unit:%

Origin of the familly
Non-immigrant 37,0
Immigrant from Maghreb 37,0
Immigrant from sub-saharian Africa 35,0
Immigrant from Portugal 38,0
Immigrant from Turkey 22,0
Immigant from south est Asia 42,0
Ensemble 37,0
Source : ministère de l'Education - Elèves du panel 1995 - © Observatoire des inégalités

On September 07 2015 16:12 WhiteDog wrote:

You didn't understand the word "everything equal". Here are some sources since you asked :

http://www.inegalites.fr/spip.php?article1458&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

A quick traduction for you :

And to clarify, migrants from the Maghreb are muslims. And turkey's numbers are barely signifcant : immigration from turkey is not that big in France. The conclusion is : with the same socio economical background, or if you prefer when migrants and non migrants belong to the same social class, their results in school are almost the same.
By the way, the datas comes from children born in 1995 (which mean they passed their bachelor degree in 2013).

catif des cohortes d’élèves
recrutées au début de l’enseignement élémentaire ou secondaire. Le panel 1995 comprend
17 830 élèves, nés le 17 d’un mois, qui entraient en sixième ou sixième SEGPA (enseignement
spécialisé) dans un collège public ou privé de France métropolitaine à la rentrée scolaire 1995.

LUXEMBOURG — The EU is considering imposing sanctions on countries that do not want to take part in a proposed new relocation scheme for 120,000 refugees, a senior diplomat told POLITICO, though the idea is being floated mainly to put pressure on reluctant countries.

The source refused to say whether the proposal was discussed in the informal meeting of foreign affairs ministers that took place in Luxembourg Saturday morning.

According to several media reports, an option under consideration is that countries that do not want to take in refugees would be offered an opt-out clause, but they would have to pay to use it. This sanction fund would then be used to support countries that do take part in the new relocation.

But a diplomat from Slovakia, one of the countries that opposes mandatory relocation schemes, said, “We do not want any payment, nor mandatory quotas… We need to prevent people from coming.” He said that Slovakia will not oppose decisions taken by the majority of EU countries.

The Slovak diplomat stressed that his country did not see the situation in the same way as Hungary, whose prime minister Viktor Orbán has been critical of Berlin’s decision to open the door to Syrian refugees.

Germany, for its part, stressed the need to quickly find solutions.

The German Foreign Affairs minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, told reporters that the European Council scheduled for October 15 would be “too late” and that Europe should have a summit at an earlier date.

Ministers spent the informal meeting ministers “brainstorming” on possible ideas to find a solution for the humanitarian crisis, said another EU diplomat. “Ministers agree that they have to do something — the problem is what,” the source said.

Federica Mogherini, the EU foreign affairs chief, confirmed a lack of consensus.

“Discussion today was difficult, I admit that,” she said at a press conference wrapping up the summit.

One point of contention was the creation of hot-spots to identify refugees in countries outside the European Union, said Mogherini. The issue is complicated by three main factors, she added: the location, the resources and the guarantee that those who are entitled to be asylum seekers are then in fact accepted in Europe. And the funding for these hot-spots, she argued, “would require enormous resources from our side.”

The EU foreign affairs chief also stressed that “this is partially a migrant flow but it is mainly a refugee flow,” meaning the majority of those who arrive to Europe are entitled to stay. And now “we have started seeing also Palestinians in the flow” of refugees arriving.

She also repeated that the naval mission, Eunavfor Med, launched in May by Europe to cope with people smugglers, is ready to move from phase one (intelligence gathering) to the first part of phase two (operating in international waters).

For this, at least, she said: “I have found a large consensus.”

The Italian Foreign minister, Paolo Gentiloni, echoed that sentiment, when leaving the summit, telling reporters that “it is possible to launch phase two by the end of the month.”

Yet some are skeptical.

“So far I have seen no results and the evidence is that people keep on coming,” said a diplomat from Eastern Europe.

As another diplomat from Britain said a few days ago: “the fear is that we can get stuck in the international water whereas this mission will be effective only if and when it will have the chance to get into Libyan waters.”

The ministers also discussed the future of the Dublin agreement, a key element of EU migration policy that requires asylum-seekers to be identified and stay in the country where they first arrive.

Said another EU diplomat, “Anyway, after the German decision and with the relocation system in place, [Dublin] is already a dead agreement.”

On September 07 2015 17:39 Faust852 wrote:

Erm, Apparently 1995 is when they got into 6th grade "sixième", meaning they got they baccalauréat in 2002. Their bachelor degree would have been passed at around 2005, not 2013.


Also, because it wouldn't be fair not to post the statistic without any stretching

Non-immigrant : 64.2%
From Maghreb : 50,8
From Sub-Sahara : 55,0
From Portugal : 51,3
From Turkey : 32,9
From South East Asia : 66,8

On September 07 2015 08:51 Faust852 wrote:
The reason far-right party are gaining traction so much is because every fucking liberal are using the "racist" card when you talk about immigration, color, race or whatever.
Guess what, your value is losing ground very fucking fast, at least in EU. Yep, people disliked being called racist every time they were against migration, and were shutting it up. But after a while, they start not giving a fuck about being called racist and will vote people that also don't give a fuck about being racists, but elected people really are racists.

So yeah, because the fucking ideology of polical correctness, major parties are totally ignoring an issue when there is one, and oops... you find yourself with a far-right at the head of the state.

The netherlands has already a far-right PM, Hungary too. Poland might elect one too.
The biggest party in Belgium is anti immigration.
In Italy, you see people like Pepe Grillo leading the biggest party.
France has of course the FN, and I bet everything that Marine Le Pen will reach the 2nd round and be the leading candidate in the 1st round.

So yeah, fuck them all racists that represent at least 40% of Europe ! Fuck you for trying to express your despair by voting to the only people that are listening to you, even if they are fucking populist shit.

On September 07 2015 18:14 RvB wrote:

No we don't. Our prime minister is a conservative. Geert Wilders is in the opposition and he's not even the largest party by a long shot in parliament. He's not even polling first but he does get quite a few seats in the polls.

The large numbers of people now seeking sanctuary in Europe should be seen as immigrants, not as refugees, because they are seeking a "German life" and refuse to stay in the first safe country they reach, Hungary's prime minister said on Monday.

Viktor Orban, a right-wing populist whose robust handling of the migrant crisis has drawn both condemnation and praise, also said the European Union should consider providing financial support to countries such as Turkey which are near to the conflict zones so that migrants stay there and do not move on.

Syrians, Iraqis and others entering Greece, Macedonia, Serbia or Hungary are safe in those countries and, in line with EU rules, should have their asylum applications processed there, Orban told a gathering of Hungarian diplomats in Budapest.

"If they want to continue on from Hungary, it's not because they are in danger, it's because they want something else," he said, adding that the migrants' target was Germany and "a German life", not physical safety.

The vast majority of migrants reaching Hungary aim to travel on to Germany and other wealthier western European countries. A Bavarian official said Germany expected about 2,500 refugees to arrive by early afternoon on Monday after some 20,000 came in over the weekend.

Left unchecked, this inflow will place an impossible financial burden on the EU, Orban said, endangering what he called Europe's "Christian welfare states". He has previously said the arrival of large numbers of mostly Muslim migrants posed a threat to Europe's Christian culture and values.

"It's absurd .... when the Germans say they will spend billions on providing for the new arrivals instead of giving the money to the countries around the crisis zone, where the (migrants) should be stopped in the first place," he said.

"It would be better for everyone. They wouldn't come here. It would cost less. And our approach couldn't be called into question morally either."

QUOTAS

Europe's worst migration crisis since the Balkan wars of the 1990s has led many of the continent's leaders to call for a quota system to distribute refugees among the EU's 28 member states - an idea that Orban opposes.

While Hungary would remain part of the EU's passport-free 'Schengen zone', Orban said discussion of a quota system was premature.

"As long as Europe cannot protect its external borders it makes no sense to discuss the fate of those flowing in," he said, adding that he did not rule out a "fair" discussion of quotas at a later stage.

He defended a planned package of laws that would allow the army to be deployed to defend Hungary's southern border, which he added was being threatened "perhaps not by war, but by being overwhelmed".

Orban said he hoped the measures would succeed in "hermetically sealing" the border, with people crossing at official crossing points only.

Legislation to use the army in helping to protect borders would not be possible before September 20, he added.