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Not saying it will happen or that it would be the best solution.
As Taguchi correctly identified. Its just my personal desire to get rid of the problem.
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On July 02 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2015 20:21 WhiteDog wrote:On July 02 2015 15:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 02 2015 13:14 ImFromPortugal wrote:
we should all exit the eurozone and bring back our old currencies. In this day and age, I'm pretty certain that the only thing that allow the EU to be competitive on the international market is the Euro. The return of the old currencies would wrecked the interest rate, and buying stuff would become ridiculous too. That and the conformity required for products is good for the consumer. Anyway, if we don't continue as a entity, we will get anihilated on the grand scheme of things. That's actually not a good argument at all, most small countries with their own currency are doing better than the eurozone right now (and even big countries). Nationalism rising isn't due to the EU tho. It's a side effect of the crisis, and like in every crisis ever, the nationalism will rise, and the populist leading them are against the EU. But there is no correlation that the EU is responsible for the rise of nationalists mouvements. We would completly disagree here, soveraignty is really important because people feel responsible for their situation. When everything comes from the top (or at least people it is this way), it's obvious the base is going to find something that bind them (the nation) and oppose itself to the top (the european union) as most of the european election have proved (you think it's a non information that France send that much antieuropean to represent them as european deputee while they do not vote that much for the FN in other national elections ?). That's quite a retarded action tho. What if french minted a coin that represented a battle won by the french on belgium ? This would sure create some funny results. Really? Commemorating the 200y anniversary of one of the largest and most famous battles of Europe is in poor taste? So I guess the Germans should get their panties in a bundle when EVERY YEAR we commemorate D-Day? And the Russians had their great V-Day celebration just a few weeks ago, and there were Stalingrad commemorations? Or is it okay to celebrate a victory that you, as a country, feel national pride aobut, without your neighbours getting sand in their vajayjay? In fact, maybe the Spanish should lodge a formal complaint (maybe together with the French) to rename Trafalgar Square to something less offensive (and the French can claim the same about Waterloo Station).
One of the largest and famous battle of europe ? Hardly. Napoleon was already done way before this battle (which is almost irrelevant compared to most that occured before and were extrêmely important). The fact that this battle is considered as one of the most famous battle is due to the great influence of the anglosphere all around the world that made it such. The city of London spends millions of pounds for this every year irc.
The comparison with Germany here is pointless : during the D-day and such we celebrate the victory over fascism and racism. It is a thing that gather us all. Btw we always talk about Nazi Germany and not Germany only, huge difference that you can notice in every french school book talking about History. .
What was the battle of waterloo ? This was a battle between Autocratic power(France included ofc). It was literally a victory of an alliance for the most part composed of Autocratic power, undemocratic countries which is exactly the things that Europe is fighting right now (see : Syria).
The commemoration of Waterloo and the idea of minting the coins is a part of a cultural french bashing (which i don't care, but that's the reason). The guy that had the idea of doing it is from a nationalist flemish political party iirc, which would make sense.
At a moment where in Europe we should gather around common value, things like this are just non sense.
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On July 03 2015 00:28 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 00:16 Gorsameth wrote:
Kinda hoping for a No from Greece and an exit so the Eurozone can focus on solvable problems instead. Where solvable is: how to deal with the instability resulting from Greece defaulting on their debts? Just some ideas: - Russia offering to buy them up in return for "concessions" (like naval bases in Athens, Crete and elsewhere on the mediterranean); - Spain and Italy being cast back into a recession due to lack of trust in the Euro as a stable union, rising interest rates for the PIGS (guess it'll just be PIS then...) Yup, sounds far easier to deal with than having Greece comply with reforms, pump some extra few billion Euros in there and restructure their debt so that they can actually pay it back.
Spain and Italy are following the reforms, and have atually a true income, not like Greece.
And I don't think Russia is actually in position to spend money on military bases. They are in a worst situation than Greece currently and I don't even imagine how terrific the penalties they will get if they try to do that. That would involve the US much more than they are right now, and that can't be good.
Anyway, I still hope we find a solution, because Grexit won't be good but it only depends on greek people right now.
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On July 03 2015 00:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Are we not past the point where we need that? I dont really know which historical figure is supposed to piss me off but its probably some king that I dont care about. Is Napoleon really such a sensitive figure? He conquerd most of europe but I have never really meet anyone who disliked him. And most French people should understand that other countries are glad he was stopped even if there is pride (is there?) around him. We dont get butthurt because Norway celebrate their independence like crazy every year. Like their celebrations in Sweden sometimes rival our celebrations of our national holiday, its kind of weird but also pretty cute. 
if norway and sweden shared a currency, and we put Haakon VII on our coin i think it would be a tactless and odd choice, regardless of how many of my swedish brethren raised their brows. my relation with swedes / sweden is friendly and familiar, i don't know how i would map to france / belgium, but i doubt it could be more amicable. on a personal level, i agree with you, but i'm very ignorant when it comes to history.
i wonder how a union between norway and sweden would play out today (i'd add iceland into the mix if possible).
it sounds sweet on the face of it.
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On July 03 2015 00:48 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 00:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Are we not past the point where we need that? I dont really know which historical figure is supposed to piss me off but its probably some king that I dont care about. Is Napoleon really such a sensitive figure? He conquerd most of europe but I have never really meet anyone who disliked him. And most French people should understand that other countries are glad he was stopped even if there is pride (is there?) around him. We dont get butthurt because Norway celebrate their independence like crazy every year. Like their celebrations in Sweden sometimes rival our celebrations of our national holiday, its kind of weird but also pretty cute. if norway and sweden shared a currency, and we put Haakon VII on our coin i think it would be a tactless and odd choice, regardless of how many of my swedish brethren raised their brows. my relation with swedes / sweden is friendly and familiar, i don't know how i would map to france / belgium, but i doubt it could be more amicable. i wonder how a union between norway and sweden would play out today (i'd add iceland into the mix if possible). it sounds sweet on the face of it.
Could all have a shared king and he would be...
King in the North!!
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*shows himself the door*
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On July 03 2015 00:03 Faust852 wrote:
I don't get why people are being piss about a battle lest 200y ago. French people shouldn't feel ashamed of losing something like that. It's not you, it's not your fathers nor your grand fathers. Noone from that time is alive anymore so why so much angst ? German people shouldn't feel ashamed of WW2, it's not their fault some of their ancesters did shitty things.
Waterloo is one of the event that shaped Europe as it is now, and it is history.
I'm not pissed at all about it. Napoléon was a dictator, and he didn't even invent much, like for exemple the code civil was mostly invented by the revolutionary but somehow everybody believe he is the inventor.
Doesn't change the fact that it's a dick move. It's like the british who are constantly bashing on us (because we had the guts to cut the head of our king and we don't have to suffer hours long of discussions about the next name of the future child of the heir to throne on national TV).
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On July 03 2015 00:48 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 00:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Are we not past the point where we need that? I dont really know which historical figure is supposed to piss me off but its probably some king that I dont care about. Is Napoleon really such a sensitive figure? He conquerd most of europe but I have never really meet anyone who disliked him. And most French people should understand that other countries are glad he was stopped even if there is pride (is there?) around him. We dont get butthurt because Norway celebrate their independence like crazy every year. Like their celebrations in Sweden sometimes rival our celebrations of our national holiday, its kind of weird but also pretty cute. if norway and sweden shared a currency, and we put Haakon VII on our coin i think it would be a tactless and odd choice, regardless of how many of my swedish brethren raised their brows. my relation with swedes / sweden is friendly and familiar, i don't know how i would map to france / belgium, but i doubt it could be more amicable. on a personal level, i agree with you, but i'm very ignorant when it comes to history. i wonder how a union between norway and sweden would play out today (i'd add iceland into the mix if possible). it sounds sweet on the face of it.
You do know that most Swedes if asked who Haakon VII was would not immediately know who the guy was, or how he looks. With just a hint most would get it but I seriously doubt anyone would be offended if he was on a coin. It would be like, "ah it's a guy the Norwegians like, cool. Can we have Selma on one of ours?"
Of course you have a right to be proud and nationalistic! We love you for it.
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On July 03 2015 00:50 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 00:48 nunez wrote:On July 03 2015 00:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Are we not past the point where we need that? I dont really know which historical figure is supposed to piss me off but its probably some king that I dont care about. Is Napoleon really such a sensitive figure? He conquerd most of europe but I have never really meet anyone who disliked him. And most French people should understand that other countries are glad he was stopped even if there is pride (is there?) around him. We dont get butthurt because Norway celebrate their independence like crazy every year. Like their celebrations in Sweden sometimes rival our celebrations of our national holiday, its kind of weird but also pretty cute. if norway and sweden shared a currency, and we put Haakon VII on our coin i think it would be a tactless and odd choice, regardless of how many of my swedish brethren raised their brows. my relation with swedes / sweden is friendly and familiar, i don't know how i would map to france / belgium, but i doubt it could be more amicable. i wonder how a union between norway and sweden would play out today (i'd add iceland into the mix if possible). it sounds sweet on the face of it. Could all have a shared king and he would be... King in the North!! . . . *shows himself the door*
Hey and the Russians could be the White walkers
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On July 03 2015 00:30 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:On July 02 2015 20:21 WhiteDog wrote:On July 02 2015 15:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 02 2015 13:14 ImFromPortugal wrote:
we should all exit the eurozone and bring back our old currencies. In this day and age, I'm pretty certain that the only thing that allow the EU to be competitive on the international market is the Euro. The return of the old currencies would wrecked the interest rate, and buying stuff would become ridiculous too. That and the conformity required for products is good for the consumer. Anyway, if we don't continue as a entity, we will get anihilated on the grand scheme of things. That's actually not a good argument at all, most small countries with their own currency are doing better than the eurozone right now (and even big countries). Nationalism rising isn't due to the EU tho. It's a side effect of the crisis, and like in every crisis ever, the nationalism will rise, and the populist leading them are against the EU. But there is no correlation that the EU is responsible for the rise of nationalists mouvements. We would completly disagree here, soveraignty is really important because people feel responsible for their situation. When everything comes from the top (or at least people it is this way), it's obvious the base is going to find something that bind them (the nation) and oppose itself to the top (the european union) as most of the european election have proved (you think it's a non information that France send that much antieuropean to represent them as european deputee while they do not vote that much for the FN in other national elections ?). That's quite a retarded action tho. What if french minted a coin that represented a battle won by the french on belgium ? This would sure create some funny results. Really? Commemorating the 200y anniversary of one of the largest and most famous battles of Europe is in poor taste? So I guess the Germans should get their panties in a bundle when EVERY YEAR we commemorate D-Day? And the Russians had their great V-Day celebration just a few weeks ago, and there were Stalingrad commemorations? Or is it okay to celebrate a victory that you, as a country, feel national pride aobut, without your neighbours getting sand in their vajayjay? In fact, maybe the Spanish should lodge a formal complaint (maybe together with the French) to rename Trafalgar Square to something less offensive (and the French can claim the same about Waterloo Station). One of the largest and famous battle of europe ? Hardly. Napoleon was already done way before this battle (which is almost irrelevant compared to most that occured before and were extrêmely important). The fact that this battle is considered as one of the most famous battle is due to the great influence of the anglosphere all around the world that made it such. The city of London spends millions of pounds for this every year irc. ...
Well, but it is one of the most famous battles of the time, along with the Battle of Leipzig, not just in the anglosphere. I see nothing wrong in commemorating a battle won by a large European alliance against a power hungry dictator trying to conquer all of Europe. If anything, I'd say that is very much in the spirit of Europe?
(Of course, it was absolutists and nationalists who profited in the aftermath of the destructions caused by Napoleon, but the aforementioned view still stands. Standard disclaimer: this is not intended as a comparison to the war crimes of WW2 Germany and in no way, shape or form shall indicate that the evils of the Nazis are not among the most cruel crimes ever committed).
Is nationalism still so strong in the "Grande Nation" that you cannot accept the dark parts of your history? That makes me curious, how is the Napoleonic era taught in french schools? Is it much discussed, is it ignored, or is it even portrayed in a positive light?
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^In Belgium, I learnt that Napoleon was a badass guy that conquer the whole Europe and failed in Russia, came back 2 times and finally lost in Waterloo because of bad luck and bad timing. That he did some reform in France and that's pretty much it, we weren't taught like we beat the shit out of him and that he was an evil piece of shit. Nothing like that.
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On July 03 2015 01:22 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 00:30 Makro wrote:On July 02 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:On July 02 2015 20:21 WhiteDog wrote:On July 02 2015 15:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 02 2015 13:14 ImFromPortugal wrote:
we should all exit the eurozone and bring back our old currencies. In this day and age, I'm pretty certain that the only thing that allow the EU to be competitive on the international market is the Euro. The return of the old currencies would wrecked the interest rate, and buying stuff would become ridiculous too. That and the conformity required for products is good for the consumer. Anyway, if we don't continue as a entity, we will get anihilated on the grand scheme of things. That's actually not a good argument at all, most small countries with their own currency are doing better than the eurozone right now (and even big countries). Nationalism rising isn't due to the EU tho. It's a side effect of the crisis, and like in every crisis ever, the nationalism will rise, and the populist leading them are against the EU. But there is no correlation that the EU is responsible for the rise of nationalists mouvements. We would completly disagree here, soveraignty is really important because people feel responsible for their situation. When everything comes from the top (or at least people it is this way), it's obvious the base is going to find something that bind them (the nation) and oppose itself to the top (the european union) as most of the european election have proved (you think it's a non information that France send that much antieuropean to represent them as european deputee while they do not vote that much for the FN in other national elections ?). That's quite a retarded action tho. What if french minted a coin that represented a battle won by the french on belgium ? This would sure create some funny results. Really? Commemorating the 200y anniversary of one of the largest and most famous battles of Europe is in poor taste? So I guess the Germans should get their panties in a bundle when EVERY YEAR we commemorate D-Day? And the Russians had their great V-Day celebration just a few weeks ago, and there were Stalingrad commemorations? Or is it okay to celebrate a victory that you, as a country, feel national pride aobut, without your neighbours getting sand in their vajayjay? In fact, maybe the Spanish should lodge a formal complaint (maybe together with the French) to rename Trafalgar Square to something less offensive (and the French can claim the same about Waterloo Station). One of the largest and famous battle of europe ? Hardly. Napoleon was already done way before this battle (which is almost irrelevant compared to most that occured before and were extrêmely important). The fact that this battle is considered as one of the most famous battle is due to the great influence of the anglosphere all around the world that made it such. The city of London spends millions of pounds for this every year irc. ... Well, but it is one of the most famous battles of the time, along with the Battle of Leipzig, not just in the anglosphere. I see nothing wrong in commemorating a battle won by a large European alliance against a power hungry dictator trying to conquer all of Europe. If anything, I'd say that is very much in the spirit of Europe? (Of course, it was absolutists and nationalists who profited in the aftermath of the destructions caused by Napoleon, but the aforementioned view still stands. Standard disclaimer: this is not intended as a comparison to the war crimes of WW2 Germany and in no way, shape or form shall indicate that the evils of the Nazis are not among the most cruel crimes ever committed). Is nationalism still so strong in the "Grande Nation" that you cannot accept the dark parts of your history? That makes me curious, how is the Napoleonic era taught in french schools? Is it much discussed, is it ignored, or is it even portrayed in a positive light?
Only French defeat being the most important battle, a "power hungry dictator trying to conquer all of Europe", i find it a bit biased imo, to say the least.
It looks like a recital of classic anglosaxon history class about Napoleon, so i think nothing much to discuss here ?
However your questions are interesting and i'm glad you brought it up
Nationalism is dead in France and the term Grande Nation is inexistant here (i know it is used in Germany to mock the French though).
Napoleon is everything but a part of the dark History of France (Vichy is)
Napoleon, Richelieu, Louis14 and leaders that took a huge part of France of today aren't present in any History book of french school anymore (official reason: to not hurt the minorities)
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we need more stereotyping in here!.
how valid is this? http://dailycandor.com/what-europeans-think-of-each-other/ . just remember it was made back in '07and it's one man's opinion.
The Scandinavians — Widely respected by most other Europeans, because of their high standard of living …and blond hair and blue eyes. However, within Scandinavia there are some persistent stereotypes. The Norwegians, Danes and Finns all think the Swedes are stupid and uptight. Norwegians are considered racist. Danes are considered more blunt than the others, maybe a bit more cranky, and the Finns are oddly introverted, even by Scandinavian standards. Except for the Danes really disliking Germans, and Finns really disliking Russians, they don’t really have anything against other Europeans.
The Germans — Germans are considered industrious but uptight and humorless, by just about all the other Europeans. They know WW2 is a sore spot for them, so other Europeans will often mercilessly tease them about it. As much as Germany is considered an economic powerhouse, the vast majority of Europeans don’t really want to learn German or study there (or send their kids there to study). The food is considered uninspired, too, and only Berlin has some cachet among younger Europeans for its vibrant underground club scene. The most anti-German sentiments are among the Dutch and Danish, who just hate them from invading their countries too often. When German ask for directions in Holland, they’re usually given directions to the shortest way out of the country, or told “Give us back our bikes!”, a reference to the fact that Germans confiscated Dutch bicycles during WW2.Danes hate it when you pronounce their capital as “ko-pen-HAH-gen”, because this is the German pronunciation. Either pronounce it the English way (with “HAY” instead), or the Danish way, which is literally impossible to put down here.Germans tend to like their Western neighbors far more than they are liked by them, but they look down on their Eastern neighbors, particularly Poles. They, oddly, have some mixed respect for the Czechs, who have resisted German aggression.
i found it pretty funny/interesting.
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On July 03 2015 00:30 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:On July 02 2015 20:21 WhiteDog wrote:On July 02 2015 15:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 02 2015 13:14 ImFromPortugal wrote:
we should all exit the eurozone and bring back our old currencies. In this day and age, I'm pretty certain that the only thing that allow the EU to be competitive on the international market is the Euro. The return of the old currencies would wrecked the interest rate, and buying stuff would become ridiculous too. That and the conformity required for products is good for the consumer. Anyway, if we don't continue as a entity, we will get anihilated on the grand scheme of things. That's actually not a good argument at all, most small countries with their own currency are doing better than the eurozone right now (and even big countries). Nationalism rising isn't due to the EU tho. It's a side effect of the crisis, and like in every crisis ever, the nationalism will rise, and the populist leading them are against the EU. But there is no correlation that the EU is responsible for the rise of nationalists mouvements. We would completly disagree here, soveraignty is really important because people feel responsible for their situation. When everything comes from the top (or at least people it is this way), it's obvious the base is going to find something that bind them (the nation) and oppose itself to the top (the european union) as most of the european election have proved (you think it's a non information that France send that much antieuropean to represent them as european deputee while they do not vote that much for the FN in other national elections ?). That's quite a retarded action tho. What if french minted a coin that represented a battle won by the french on belgium ? This would sure create some funny results. Really? Commemorating the 200y anniversary of one of the largest and most famous battles of Europe is in poor taste? So I guess the Germans should get their panties in a bundle when EVERY YEAR we commemorate D-Day? And the Russians had their great V-Day celebration just a few weeks ago, and there were Stalingrad commemorations? Or is it okay to celebrate a victory that you, as a country, feel national pride aobut, without your neighbours getting sand in their vajayjay? In fact, maybe the Spanish should lodge a formal complaint (maybe together with the French) to rename Trafalgar Square to something less offensive (and the French can claim the same about Waterloo Station). One of the largest and famous battle of europe ? Hardly. Napoleon was already done way before this battle (which is almost irrelevant compared to most that occured before and were extrêmely important). The fact that this battle is considered as one of the most famous battle is due to the great influence of the anglosphere all around the world that made it such. The city of London spends millions of pounds for this every year irc. The comparison with Germany here is pointless : during the D-day and such we celebrate the victory over fascism and racism. It is a thing that gather us all. Btw we always talk about Nazi Germany and not Germany only, huge difference that you can notice in every french school book talking about History. . What was the battle of waterloo ? This was a battle between Autocratic power(France included ofc). It was literally a victory of an alliance for the most part composed of Autocratic power, undemocratic countries which is exactly the things that Europe is fighting right now (see : Syria). The commemoration of Waterloo and the idea of minting the coins is a part of a cultural french bashing (which i don't care, but that's the reason). The guy that had the idea of doing it is from a nationalist flemish political party iirc, which would make sense. At a moment where in Europe we should gather around common value, things like this are just non sense.
Firstly, I think you're outright wrong on your analysis of Napoleon's reign, but regardless of whether Napoleon was done or not, the Battle of Waterloo is one of the largest and most famous battles of Europe around the time. If I had to call the 5 most famous battles in Europe, Waterloo would be in it. In terms of scale, at the time, it was unprecedented. In terms of historical importance, it is generally seen as the battle that ushered in the concert of europe...
So yes, it was an extremely important battle. And it ushered in an epoch of peace. I see no problem with Belgians wanting to commemorate it, and I am surprised the French are upset about it. WhiteDog brings up an interesting point which is that the Euro tries to avoid polemic issues, so anything that might possibly be offensive to anybody is avoided, but I'm not sure I agree with that: the Germans are allowed to put the Brandenburg Tor on their euro coins... the symbolism of that gate is not unpolemic.
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On July 03 2015 01:52 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 01:22 ACrow wrote:On July 03 2015 00:30 Makro wrote:On July 02 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:On July 02 2015 20:21 WhiteDog wrote:On July 02 2015 15:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 02 2015 13:14 ImFromPortugal wrote:
we should all exit the eurozone and bring back our old currencies. In this day and age, I'm pretty certain that the only thing that allow the EU to be competitive on the international market is the Euro. The return of the old currencies would wrecked the interest rate, and buying stuff would become ridiculous too. That and the conformity required for products is good for the consumer. Anyway, if we don't continue as a entity, we will get anihilated on the grand scheme of things. That's actually not a good argument at all, most small countries with their own currency are doing better than the eurozone right now (and even big countries). Nationalism rising isn't due to the EU tho. It's a side effect of the crisis, and like in every crisis ever, the nationalism will rise, and the populist leading them are against the EU. But there is no correlation that the EU is responsible for the rise of nationalists mouvements. We would completly disagree here, soveraignty is really important because people feel responsible for their situation. When everything comes from the top (or at least people it is this way), it's obvious the base is going to find something that bind them (the nation) and oppose itself to the top (the european union) as most of the european election have proved (you think it's a non information that France send that much antieuropean to represent them as european deputee while they do not vote that much for the FN in other national elections ?). That's quite a retarded action tho. What if french minted a coin that represented a battle won by the french on belgium ? This would sure create some funny results. Really? Commemorating the 200y anniversary of one of the largest and most famous battles of Europe is in poor taste? So I guess the Germans should get their panties in a bundle when EVERY YEAR we commemorate D-Day? And the Russians had their great V-Day celebration just a few weeks ago, and there were Stalingrad commemorations? Or is it okay to celebrate a victory that you, as a country, feel national pride aobut, without your neighbours getting sand in their vajayjay? In fact, maybe the Spanish should lodge a formal complaint (maybe together with the French) to rename Trafalgar Square to something less offensive (and the French can claim the same about Waterloo Station). One of the largest and famous battle of europe ? Hardly. Napoleon was already done way before this battle (which is almost irrelevant compared to most that occured before and were extrêmely important). The fact that this battle is considered as one of the most famous battle is due to the great influence of the anglosphere all around the world that made it such. The city of London spends millions of pounds for this every year irc. ... Well, but it is one of the most famous battles of the time, along with the Battle of Leipzig, not just in the anglosphere. I see nothing wrong in commemorating a battle won by a large European alliance against a power hungry dictator trying to conquer all of Europe. If anything, I'd say that is very much in the spirit of Europe? (Of course, it was absolutists and nationalists who profited in the aftermath of the destructions caused by Napoleon, but the aforementioned view still stands. Standard disclaimer: this is not intended as a comparison to the war crimes of WW2 Germany and in no way, shape or form shall indicate that the evils of the Nazis are not among the most cruel crimes ever committed). Is nationalism still so strong in the "Grande Nation" that you cannot accept the dark parts of your history? That makes me curious, how is the Napoleonic era taught in french schools? Is it much discussed, is it ignored, or is it even portrayed in a positive light? Only French defeat being the most important battle, a "power hungry dictator trying to conquer all of Europe", i find it a bit biased imo, to say the least. It looks like a recital of classic anglosaxon history class about Napoleon, so i think nothing much to discuss here ? However your questions are interesting and i'm glad you brought it up Nationalism is dead in France and the term Grande Nation is inexistant here (i know it is used in Germany to mock the French though). Napoleon is everything but a part of the dark History of France (Vichy is) Napoleon, Richelieu, Louis14 and leaders that took a huge part of France of today aren't present in any History book of french school anymore (official reason: to not hurt the minorities)
Thank you for the insight!
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On July 03 2015 01:53 xM(Z wrote:we need more stereotyping in here!. how valid is this? http://dailycandor.com/what-europeans-think-of-each-other/ . just remember it was made back in '07and it's one man's opinion. Show nested quote +The Scandinavians — Widely respected by most other Europeans, because of their high standard of living …and blond hair and blue eyes. However, within Scandinavia there are some persistent stereotypes. The Norwegians, Danes and Finns all think the Swedes are stupid and uptight. Norwegians are considered racist. Danes are considered more blunt than the others, maybe a bit more cranky, and the Finns are oddly introverted, even by Scandinavian standards. Except for the Danes really disliking Germans, and Finns really disliking Russians, they don’t really have anything against other Europeans. Show nested quote +The Germans — Germans are considered industrious but uptight and humorless, by just about all the other Europeans. They know WW2 is a sore spot for them, so other Europeans will often mercilessly tease them about it. As much as Germany is considered an economic powerhouse, the vast majority of Europeans don’t really want to learn German or study there (or send their kids there to study). The food is considered uninspired, too, and only Berlin has some cachet among younger Europeans for its vibrant underground club scene. The most anti-German sentiments are among the Dutch and Danish, who just hate them from invading their countries too often. When German ask for directions in Holland, they’re usually given directions to the shortest way out of the country, or told “Give us back our bikes!”, a reference to the fact that Germans confiscated Dutch bicycles during WW2.Danes hate it when you pronounce their capital as “ko-pen-HAH-gen”, because this is the German pronunciation. Either pronounce it the English way (with “HAY” instead), or the Danish way, which is literally impossible to put down here.Germans tend to like their Western neighbors far more than they are liked by them, but they look down on their Eastern neighbors, particularly Poles. They, oddly, have some mixed respect for the Czechs, who have resisted German aggression. i found it pretty funny/interesting.
I read the part about Poles and I think it's extremely wrong so I guess the others are also wrong. It says we never joke about Germans and that we're quiet LOL.
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On July 03 2015 01:49 Faust852 wrote:
^In Belgium, I learnt that Napoleon was a badass guy that conquer the whole Europe and failed in Russia, came back 2 times and finally lost in Waterloo because of bad luck and bad timing. That he did some reform in France and that's pretty much it, we weren't taught like we beat the shit out of him and that he was an evil piece of shit. Nothing like that.
That is how history works. If you go back far enough in time, conquering a lot of things, even if only for a short period of time, is considering wonderful and nice and amazing. The cost and devastation of the wars necessary to do that is usually barely remembered.
See Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Charlemagne, etc...
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On July 03 2015 02:11 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 01:53 xM(Z wrote:we need more stereotyping in here!. how valid is this? http://dailycandor.com/what-europeans-think-of-each-other/ . just remember it was made back in '07and it's one man's opinion. The Scandinavians — Widely respected by most other Europeans, because of their high standard of living …and blond hair and blue eyes. However, within Scandinavia there are some persistent stereotypes. The Norwegians, Danes and Finns all think the Swedes are stupid and uptight. Norwegians are considered racist. Danes are considered more blunt than the others, maybe a bit more cranky, and the Finns are oddly introverted, even by Scandinavian standards. Except for the Danes really disliking Germans, and Finns really disliking Russians, they don’t really have anything against other Europeans. The Germans — Germans are considered industrious but uptight and humorless, by just about all the other Europeans. They know WW2 is a sore spot for them, so other Europeans will often mercilessly tease them about it. As much as Germany is considered an economic powerhouse, the vast majority of Europeans don’t really want to learn German or study there (or send their kids there to study). The food is considered uninspired, too, and only Berlin has some cachet among younger Europeans for its vibrant underground club scene. The most anti-German sentiments are among the Dutch and Danish, who just hate them from invading their countries too often. When German ask for directions in Holland, they’re usually given directions to the shortest way out of the country, or told “Give us back our bikes!”, a reference to the fact that Germans confiscated Dutch bicycles during WW2.Danes hate it when you pronounce their capital as “ko-pen-HAH-gen”, because this is the German pronunciation. Either pronounce it the English way (with “HAY” instead), or the Danish way, which is literally impossible to put down here.Germans tend to like their Western neighbors far more than they are liked by them, but they look down on their Eastern neighbors, particularly Poles. They, oddly, have some mixed respect for the Czechs, who have resisted German aggression. i found it pretty funny/interesting. I read the part about Poles and I think it's extremely wrong so I guess the others are also wrong. It says we never joke about Germans and that we're quiet LOL.
in his follow up he said: The nationality that consistently told me I was wrong: POLES. Oh, the irony. I lived in Poland for 2 years (the other 2 years in Europe were spent in the Netherlands). I lived with two Polish families, in different parts of the countries. I speak Polish fluently. Alez Polacy….nawet MIESZKALEM w Polsce, to wiedze chyba wiecej o Wama niz to, co Wy wiecie o samym sobie. W odroznieniu od reszty nacji europejskich (oprocz Finow), jestescie ciszymi introwertykami (nie ma w tym nic zlego!). A nigdy w ogole nie slyszalem ani jednego zartu o Niemcach…..ANI JEDNEGO! Takich zartow “Polak, Rusek i Niemiec” nigdy nie slyszalem. you made this way funnier! lol
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Genghis Khan is seen as pretty badass and cool by most Europeans except for perhaps Hungarians. And he was basically ISIS on crack killing everyone he ran into. So yeah I agree on that being horrible matures into amazing over time. But it's good to because that means we have less reason to hate our neighbors. If people still remembered the Vikings everyone would hate Denmark...
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On July 03 2015 02:21 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 02:11 Sent. wrote:On July 03 2015 01:53 xM(Z wrote:we need more stereotyping in here!. how valid is this? http://dailycandor.com/what-europeans-think-of-each-other/ . just remember it was made back in '07and it's one man's opinion. The Scandinavians — Widely respected by most other Europeans, because of their high standard of living …and blond hair and blue eyes. However, within Scandinavia there are some persistent stereotypes. The Norwegians, Danes and Finns all think the Swedes are stupid and uptight. Norwegians are considered racist. Danes are considered more blunt than the others, maybe a bit more cranky, and the Finns are oddly introverted, even by Scandinavian standards. Except for the Danes really disliking Germans, and Finns really disliking Russians, they don’t really have anything against other Europeans. The Germans — Germans are considered industrious but uptight and humorless, by just about all the other Europeans. They know WW2 is a sore spot for them, so other Europeans will often mercilessly tease them about it. As much as Germany is considered an economic powerhouse, the vast majority of Europeans don’t really want to learn German or study there (or send their kids there to study). The food is considered uninspired, too, and only Berlin has some cachet among younger Europeans for its vibrant underground club scene. The most anti-German sentiments are among the Dutch and Danish, who just hate them from invading their countries too often. When German ask for directions in Holland, they’re usually given directions to the shortest way out of the country, or told “Give us back our bikes!”, a reference to the fact that Germans confiscated Dutch bicycles during WW2.Danes hate it when you pronounce their capital as “ko-pen-HAH-gen”, because this is the German pronunciation. Either pronounce it the English way (with “HAY” instead), or the Danish way, which is literally impossible to put down here.Germans tend to like their Western neighbors far more than they are liked by them, but they look down on their Eastern neighbors, particularly Poles. They, oddly, have some mixed respect for the Czechs, who have resisted German aggression. i found it pretty funny/interesting. I read the part about Poles and I think it's extremely wrong so I guess the others are also wrong. It says we never joke about Germans and that we're quiet LOL. in his follow up he said: Show nested quote +The nationality that consistently told me I was wrong: POLES. Oh, the irony. I lived in Poland for 2 years (the other 2 years in Europe were spent in the Netherlands). I lived with two Polish families, in different parts of the countries. I speak Polish fluently. Alez Polacy….nawet MIESZKALEM w Polsce, to wiedze chyba wiecej o Wama niz to, co Wy wiecie o samym sobie. W odroznieniu od reszty nacji europejskich (oprocz Finow), jestescie ciszymi introwertykami (nie ma w tym nic zlego!). A nigdy w ogole nie slyszalem ani jednego zartu o Niemcach…..ANI JEDNEGO! Takich zartow “Polak, Rusek i Niemiec” nigdy nie slyszalem. you made this way funnier! lol
Okay I can be wrong about Poles being loud but it's really hard to believe he doesn't know any jokes about Germans after spending 2 years in Poland.
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