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On July 03 2015 01:53 xM(Z wrote:we need more stereotyping in here!. how valid is this? http://dailycandor.com/what-europeans-think-of-each-other/ . just remember it was made back in '07and it's one man's opinion. Show nested quote +The Scandinavians — Widely respected by most other Europeans, because of their high standard of living …and blond hair and blue eyes. However, within Scandinavia there are some persistent stereotypes. The Norwegians, Danes and Finns all think the Swedes are stupid and uptight. Norwegians are considered racist. Danes are considered more blunt than the others, maybe a bit more cranky, and the Finns are oddly introverted, even by Scandinavian standards. Except for the Danes really disliking Germans, and Finns really disliking Russians, they don’t really have anything against other Europeans. Show nested quote +The Germans — Germans are considered industrious but uptight and humorless, by just about all the other Europeans. They know WW2 is a sore spot for them, so other Europeans will often mercilessly tease them about it. As much as Germany is considered an economic powerhouse, the vast majority of Europeans don’t really want to learn German or study there (or send their kids there to study). The food is considered uninspired, too, and only Berlin has some cachet among younger Europeans for its vibrant underground club scene. The most anti-German sentiments are among the Dutch and Danish, who just hate them from invading their countries too often. When German ask for directions in Holland, they’re usually given directions to the shortest way out of the country, or told “Give us back our bikes!”, a reference to the fact that Germans confiscated Dutch bicycles during WW2.Danes hate it when you pronounce their capital as “ko-pen-HAH-gen”, because this is the German pronunciation. Either pronounce it the English way (with “HAY” instead), or the Danish way, which is literally impossible to put down here.Germans tend to like their Western neighbors far more than they are liked by them, but they look down on their Eastern neighbors, particularly Poles. They, oddly, have some mixed respect for the Czechs, who have resisted German aggression. i found it pretty funny/interesting.
Italian one is very lacking, i'll complete it for you
The rivality inside Italy doesn't stop to north vs south but it's even very strong between cities (the proper name for this is "campanilism") mostly because in the medieval era Italy was splitted in city-states, and the rivality never stopped at least with jokes. Being so accustomed to distrust even neighbors, Italians have weird ideas about every nation. Their biggest rival is France, Italians call them "cousins" but with a negative accent, they think at them as arrogant pricks, and they compete with them in food, wine and soccer everytime they can . Italians are very frightened to go abroad for the food they'll eat especially in northern countries (pretty much that's what they talk about all the week before leaving) and there're a lot of scary tales about what germans do with italian recipes (like pasta with jam). They see Switzerland as a very dangerous double-face friend, mostly because of facts happened in WWII. They see most of eastern europe men as violents, but they like a lot their women that are a synonim of beauty. The opinion towards Germans is pretty much "mainstream").
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On July 03 2015 01:03 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 00:48 nunez wrote:On July 03 2015 00:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Are we not past the point where we need that? I dont really know which historical figure is supposed to piss me off but its probably some king that I dont care about. Is Napoleon really such a sensitive figure? He conquerd most of europe but I have never really meet anyone who disliked him. And most French people should understand that other countries are glad he was stopped even if there is pride (is there?) around him. We dont get butthurt because Norway celebrate their independence like crazy every year. Like their celebrations in Sweden sometimes rival our celebrations of our national holiday, its kind of weird but also pretty cute.  if norway and sweden shared a currency, and we put Haakon VII on our coin i think it would be a tactless and odd choice, regardless of how many of my swedish brethren raised their brows. my relation with swedes / sweden is friendly and familiar, i don't know how i would map to france / belgium, but i doubt it could be more amicable. on a personal level, i agree with you, but i'm very ignorant when it comes to history. i wonder how a union between norway and sweden would play out today (i'd add iceland into the mix if possible). it sounds sweet on the face of it. You do know that most Swedes if asked who Haakon VII was would not immediately know who the guy was, or how he looks. With just a hint most would get it but I seriously doubt anyone would be offended if he was on a coin. It would be like, "ah it's a guy the Norwegians like, cool. Can we have Selma on one of ours?" Of course you have a right to be proud and nationalistic! We love you for it.
yes, i agree. still, in this particular context, opting for a motif that circumvents this problem seems natural.
why would we want a stupid dane on our norweg / swedish coin anyways.
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My Portuguese two cents on Napoleon. It was not just a battle between autocrats. Britain was already a parliamentary monarchy and was on its way to becoming an actual democratic state - way more palatable than what was going on around continental Europe. It also took a special kind of wicked douchebag to have no qualms in bulldozing his way all the way from Portugal to Egypt to Russia independently of death toll while plundering as much cultural value wherever he went. If the French were honest about this bit of their history the Louvre would be a symbol of shame.
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On July 03 2015 00:48 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 00:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Are we not past the point where we need that? I dont really know which historical figure is supposed to piss me off but its probably some king that I dont care about. Is Napoleon really such a sensitive figure? He conquerd most of europe but I have never really meet anyone who disliked him. And most French people should understand that other countries are glad he was stopped even if there is pride (is there?) around him. We dont get butthurt because Norway celebrate their independence like crazy every year. Like their celebrations in Sweden sometimes rival our celebrations of our national holiday, its kind of weird but also pretty cute. if norway and sweden shared a currency, and we put Haakon VII on our coin i think it would be a tactless and odd choice, regardless of how many of my swedish brethren raised their brows. my relation with swedes / sweden is friendly and familiar, i don't know how i would map to france / belgium, but i doubt it could be more amicable. on a personal level, i agree with you, but i'm very ignorant when it comes to history. i wonder how a union between norway and sweden would play out today (i'd add iceland into the mix if possible). it sounds sweet on the face of it.
how a union between norway and sweden would be played out today?? no way you are being serious, what makes you think there needs to be a union in the first place? nobody will stop you at the borders, you're free to work in norway and pay taxes in sweden and so on.
i honestly have no idea why you would even suggest a union when its not even needed.
On July 03 2015 01:03 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 00:48 nunez wrote:On July 03 2015 00:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Are we not past the point where we need that? I dont really know which historical figure is supposed to piss me off but its probably some king that I dont care about. Is Napoleon really such a sensitive figure? He conquerd most of europe but I have never really meet anyone who disliked him. And most French people should understand that other countries are glad he was stopped even if there is pride (is there?) around him. We dont get butthurt because Norway celebrate their independence like crazy every year. Like their celebrations in Sweden sometimes rival our celebrations of our national holiday, its kind of weird but also pretty cute. if norway and sweden shared a currency, and we put Haakon VII on our coin i think it would be a tactless and odd choice, regardless of how many of my swedish brethren raised their brows. my relation with swedes / sweden is friendly and familiar, i don't know how i would map to france / belgium, but i doubt it could be more amicable. on a personal level, i agree with you, but i'm very ignorant when it comes to history. i wonder how a union between norway and sweden would play out today (i'd add iceland into the mix if possible). it sounds sweet on the face of it. You do know that most Swedes if asked who Haakon VII was would not immediately know who the guy was, or how he looks. With just a hint most would get it but I seriously doubt anyone would be offended if he was on a coin. It would be like, "ah it's a guy the Norwegians like, cool. Can we have Selma on one of ours?" Of course you have a right to be proud and nationalistic! We love you for it.
tbh i dont remember most of my history classes, i think we learned more about ancient greece than anything else, maybe a little bit of gustav vasa and how "vikings acquired salt, curry etc from other people"
also being patriotic =/= nationalistic
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On July 03 2015 05:38 apelsinsaft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 00:48 nunez wrote:On July 03 2015 00:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Are we not past the point where we need that? I dont really know which historical figure is supposed to piss me off but its probably some king that I dont care about. Is Napoleon really such a sensitive figure? He conquerd most of europe but I have never really meet anyone who disliked him. And most French people should understand that other countries are glad he was stopped even if there is pride (is there?) around him. We dont get butthurt because Norway celebrate their independence like crazy every year. Like their celebrations in Sweden sometimes rival our celebrations of our national holiday, its kind of weird but also pretty cute. if norway and sweden shared a currency, and we put Haakon VII on our coin i think it would be a tactless and odd choice, regardless of how many of my swedish brethren raised their brows. my relation with swedes / sweden is friendly and familiar, i don't know how i would map to france / belgium, but i doubt it could be more amicable. on a personal level, i agree with you, but i'm very ignorant when it comes to history. i wonder how a union between norway and sweden would play out today (i'd add iceland into the mix if possible). it sounds sweet on the face of it. how a union between norway and sweden would be played out today?? no way you are being serious, what makes you think there needs to be a union in the first place? nobody will stop you at the borders, you're free to work in norway and pay taxes in sweden and so on. i honestly have no idea why you would even suggest a union when its not even needed.
swedes and norwegs are very similar, might as well have 1 country. make geography easier for everyone, build a more streamlined and effective economy under 1 govt. improve our national soccer team. might be super sweet.
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norway's culture, language etc is closer to denmark than sweden but it would make more sense if a swedish person wanted norway because of the advantages and perks you get with oil.
there are no advantages for norway to merge with sweden.
norwegians wanting to be part of sweden makes no sense anyway
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On July 03 2015 04:50 warding wrote:
My Portuguese two cents on Napoleon. It was not just a battle between autocrats. Britain was already a parliamentary monarchy and was on its way to becoming an actual democratic state - way more palatable than what was going on around continental Europe. It also took a special kind of wicked douchebag to have no qualms in bulldozing his way all the way from Portugal to Egypt to Russia independently of death toll while plundering as much cultural value wherever he went. If the French were honest about this bit of their history the Louvre would be a symbol of shame.
So much wrong in one sentence.
People in here are (interestingly) viewing Napoléon from an anhistorical perspective which makes me laugh. But whatever, just shows how most of Europe cannot bear France's history even hundreds of years after it.
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EDIT: It's not that Europe can't bear your history. It's that proudly boasting a fancy palace with thousands upon thousands of stolen art as one of your quintessencial landmarks is kind of rubbing it in everyone else's face.
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On July 03 2015 08:03 warding wrote:
There was no comparison with the Nazis intended.
Not you, another post.
Still, should I just butt in and remember you that most european countries had the time had imperialists tendancies ? What did the Portuguese and the Spanish did to south america and africa ? Not to mention France was attacked unilaterally by most of Europe after the revolution : Napoléon is the result of that. And Le Louvre was built in the Middle Ages, became a museum in 1973...
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We were mostly busy making babies in a variety of different colors. Not proud of our history with slavery, it's not like we have monuments celebrating that part of our history.
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On July 03 2015 08:15 warding wrote:
We were mostly busy making babies in a variety of different colors. Not proud of our history with slavery, it's not like we have monuments celebrating that part of our history.
So you're ashamed of Alphonse V, Jean II, Magellan and Vasco de Gama right ?
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On July 03 2015 07:24 apelsinsaft wrote:
norway's culture, language etc is closer to denmark than sweden but it would make more sense if a swedish person wanted norway because of the advantages and perks you get with oil.
there are no advantages for norway to merge with sweden.
norwegians wanting to be part of sweden makes no sense anyway
aha, what? swedish language is easy, danish language is rougher, at least spoken, and i'd wager written too (haven't read that much swedish or danish, but could check)! can't even get past their fancy numbers!
there is a quite a bit of focus on making our economy less dependent on petroleum. a need for more legs to stand on, sweden has a bigger economy than us and very little oil to speak of!
now the marriage of sweden and norway is not a part of political debate in norway, and the upcoming election is local so it would be misplaced maybe, but i think it appears a sweet prospect.
must be all the astrid lindgren exposure at too young of an age (borka and mattis).
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On July 03 2015 08:20 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 08:15 warding wrote:
We were mostly busy making babies in a variety of different colors. Not proud of our history with slavery, it's not like we have monuments celebrating that part of our history. So you're ashamed of Alphonse V, Jean II, Magellan and Vasco de Gama right ?
In 7th grade in the US my social studies teacher asked me who King Henry was. I had no idea, thought he was French. Turns out he was speaking about the Portuguese one. Seeing national figures spelled in other languages is always weird.
Look I get your point about judging things from the historical perspective. Can you get mine about current national celebrations of clearly misguided moments in history?
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On July 03 2015 08:29 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 08:20 WhiteDog wrote:On July 03 2015 08:15 warding wrote:
We were mostly busy making babies in a variety of different colors. Not proud of our history with slavery, it's not like we have monuments celebrating that part of our history. So you're ashamed of Alphonse V, Jean II, Magellan and Vasco de Gama right ? In 7th grade in the US my social studies teacher asked me who King Henry was. I had no idea, thought he was French. Turns out he was speaking about the Portuguese one. Seeing national figures spelled in other languages is always weird. Look I get your point about judging things from the historical perspective. Can you get mine about current national celebrations of clearly misguided moments in history?
Have you ever heard about French celebrating the birth (or the death or whatever victory) of Napoleon ?
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On July 03 2015 08:27 nunez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 07:24 apelsinsaft wrote:
norway's culture, language etc is closer to denmark than sweden but it would make more sense if a swedish person wanted norway because of the advantages and perks you get with oil.
there are no advantages for norway to merge with sweden.
norwegians wanting to be part of sweden makes no sense anyway
aha, what? swedish language is easy, danish language is rougher, at least spoken, and i'd wager written too (haven't read that much swedish or danish, but could check)! can't even get past their fancy numbers! there is a quite a bit of focus on making our economy less dependent on petroleum. a need for more legs to stand on, sweden has a bigger economy than us and very little oil to speak of! now the marriage of sweden and norway is not a part of political debate in norway, and the upcoming election is local so it would be misplaced maybe, but i think it appears a sweet prospect. must be all the astrid lindgren exposure at too young of an age (borka and mattis).
And much bigger problems than Norway have in almost every way.
If you want a more solid economy improve infrastructure (including paying Sweden/Denmark part of the cost of making a new bridge/motorway/rail line Helsingör-Helsingborg and all the way up to Oslo), better harbors, make huge investment in sensible energy production and promote automation as much as you can.
Automated factories/high competence and a good position in that technology + cheap power + good infrastructure = profits.
Especially with a small well educated population. You have the capital to do it and your not in EU formally so less people would bitch if you subsidized some companies to go to Norway in the first place. Oil industry is also a brilliant place to develop automation in both for cutting cost on offshore platforms and make the work more safe and also because if it works in the North sea it will work anywhere.
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On July 03 2015 08:11 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 08:03 warding wrote:
There was no comparison with the Nazis intended. Not you, another post. Still, should I just butt in and remember you that most european countries had the time had imperialists tendancies ? What did the Portuguese and the Spanish did to south america and africa ? Not to mention France was attacked unilaterally by most of Europe after the revolution : Napoléon is the result of that. And Le Louvre was built in the Middle Ages, became a museum in 1973...
Le Louvres became a museum of sorts when Louis XIV moved to Versailles ~1680. It was then the private collection of the king that artists could come and visit. It became a national museum shortly after the revolution (1793). The art collection of the kings is at that point augmented by requisition of church and nobles treasures by the revolutionaries, including pieces from flemish painters taken in holland.
Napoleon I adds to the museum art pieces mainly taken from Italy, Austria and Germany during his early conquests. Some of them are identified in armistice treaties, some are bought in later years, some are dubiously identified as gifts. Most are given back in 1815 after waterloo. The contribution of Napoleon I still available in the museum is minimal.
The plunder of art pieces by Napoleon I is real, but the Louvres museum contains little to nothing of it.
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On July 03 2015 08:03 warding wrote:
EDIT: It's not that Europe can't bear your history. It's that proudly boasting a fancy palace with thousands upon thousands of stolen art as one of your quintessencial landmarks is kind of rubbing it in everyone else's face.
Since You mentioned British in previous post, ever been to "British" museum, or any British military museum for that matter? Every country with imperial ambition stole art: Germans, Russians, British, French, Swedish....everyone.
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Are you really complaining about wether the Louvre is legitimate or not ? wtf.
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On July 03 2015 09:41 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2015 08:29 warding wrote:On July 03 2015 08:20 WhiteDog wrote:On July 03 2015 08:15 warding wrote:
We were mostly busy making babies in a variety of different colors. Not proud of our history with slavery, it's not like we have monuments celebrating that part of our history. So you're ashamed of Alphonse V, Jean II, Magellan and Vasco de Gama right ? In 7th grade in the US my social studies teacher asked me who King Henry was. I had no idea, thought he was French. Turns out he was speaking about the Portuguese one. Seeing national figures spelled in other languages is always weird. Look I get your point about judging things from the historical perspective. Can you get mine about current national celebrations of clearly misguided moments in history? Have you ever heard about French celebrating the birth (or the death or whatever victory) of Napoleon ?
Not really, but apparently France is still not over Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo.
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On July 03 2015 17:46 Oshuy wrote:
The plunder of art pieces by Napoleon I is real, but the Louvres museum contains little to nothing of it.
My bad then.
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