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On April 09 2022 06:19 KwarK wrote:
One of the main arguments for the neoliberal conservatives like Hillary in the US and Cameron in the UK was that they’re the only ones entrenched enough to resist populism. That if you stand on your principles and refuse to fall in line then you’re leaving the door open to the far right. I’m sympathetic to that argument in as much as electoral politics is game theory and we do need to keep the far right populists out. But it doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny when they lose.
The far right sometimes winning is part of the neoliberal electoral system. It is used to threaten people into voting for the neoliberal. If the far right never wins, the threat is empty. The system functions best when the far right person is dishonest and actually wants to uphold the system, for example most of the Republican Party in the US, or Zemmour in France. It's more dangerous when the person is truly a fascist, not just doing rhetorics, like Trump was and like Le Pen might be.
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Northern Ireland26480 Posts
I understand broadly what makes Macron unpopular and vulnerable.
What about Le Pen appeals to a segment of the French? I’m familiar with some of the classic populist textbook, it’s really the only exposure to her and the party I get over here, but is it purely that or are there substantive polices she’s espousing that people like?
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On April 09 2022 01:54 Erasme wrote:Let's just put an anti nato/eu revolutionnary at the head of France. It seems like a good time to do it no ? I'm actually quite interested as to your reasons for voting that way ? It must be quite important to forget that he lets russian money dictate his policies.
I want to break the system so I'll vote for the candidate that has the most chance of breaking the system. Seems fairly straightforward. Poutou is clearly a much better person but he's going to get like 3% or whatever.
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This really isn't good. Especially the low turnout.
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On April 09 2022 23:41 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2022 01:54 Erasme wrote:On April 08 2022 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Oh no not Putin's stooges brrr Let's just put an anti nato/eu revolutionnary at the head of France. It seems like a good time to do it no ? I'm actually quite interested as to your reasons for voting that way ? It must be quite important to forget that he lets russian money dictate his policies. I want to break the system so I'll vote for the candidate that has the most chance of breaking the system. Seems fairly straightforward. Poutou is clearly a much better person but he's going to get like 3% or whatever.
Wow.
Clearly someone cannot learn from others mistakes. Just wow.
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On April 09 2022 23:41 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2022 01:54 Erasme wrote:On April 08 2022 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Oh no not Putin's stooges brrr Let's just put an anti nato/eu revolutionnary at the head of France. It seems like a good time to do it no ? I'm actually quite interested as to your reasons for voting that way ? It must be quite important to forget that he lets russian money dictate his policies. I want to break the system so I'll vote for the candidate that has the most chance of breaking the system. Seems fairly straightforward. Poutou is clearly a much better person but he's going to get like 3% or whatever.
Looks like Le Pen has the most chance of breaking the system. Is she getting your vote?
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I wonder if this will be the straw that breaks the camels back with regards to changing tactics on fighting off the far right, assuming LePen wins.
Or more likely we'll just see the far right win over the course of time and scratch our heads about why its all going wrong. 
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On April 09 2022 23:41 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2022 01:54 Erasme wrote:On April 08 2022 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Oh no not Putin's stooges brrr Let's just put an anti nato/eu revolutionnary at the head of France. It seems like a good time to do it no ? I'm actually quite interested as to your reasons for voting that way ? It must be quite important to forget that he lets russian money dictate his policies. I want to break the system so I'll vote for the candidate that has the most chance of breaking the system. Seems fairly straightforward. Poutou is clearly a much better person but he's going to get like 3% or whatever. When has voting to break the system ever resulted in the system actually getting better rather then just getting even worse?
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On April 10 2022 23:23 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2022 23:41 Nebuchad wrote:On April 09 2022 01:54 Erasme wrote:On April 08 2022 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Oh no not Putin's stooges brrr Let's just put an anti nato/eu revolutionnary at the head of France. It seems like a good time to do it no ? I'm actually quite interested as to your reasons for voting that way ? It must be quite important to forget that he lets russian money dictate his policies. I want to break the system so I'll vote for the candidate that has the most chance of breaking the system. Seems fairly straightforward. Poutou is clearly a much better person but he's going to get like 3% or whatever. Looks like Le Pen has the most chance of breaking the system. Is she getting your vote? Might as well add to ask if he can vote in the French election in the first place. More than once has someone say that they will, or will not vote for someone or something, only to turn out that he not valid to participate in the vote, thus rendering that statement impotent.
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I honestly don't expect anything exciting today. Unless Melenchon somehow displaces one of the expected favorites, it'll just be what we all expect and then we hop quietly over to the runoffs that would actually make the difference.
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Exitpoll has:
Macron 24%
Le Pen 24%
Melenchon 19%
Zemmour 8%
Pecresse 8%
Not looking good then.
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On April 11 2022 02:20 Laurens wrote:
Exitpoll has:
Macron 24%
Le Pen 24%
Melenchon 19%
Zemmour 8%
Pecresse 8%
Not looking good then. why? It would mean second round Macron vs Le Pen and (almost) everyone rallying behind whoever is not Le Pen.
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On April 11 2022 02:24 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2022 02:20 Laurens wrote:
Exitpoll has:
Macron 24%
Le Pen 24%
Melenchon 19%
Zemmour 8%
Pecresse 8%
Not looking good then. why? It would mean second round Macron vs Le Pen and (almost) everyone rallying behind whoever is not Le Pen.
Well the 8% for Zemmour is going to Le Pen guaranteed.
Pecresse is centre right, mostly Macron i would assume.
But bold of you to assume that the Melenchon voters are going to vote Macron again.
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On April 10 2022 23:23 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2022 23:41 Nebuchad wrote:On April 09 2022 01:54 Erasme wrote:On April 08 2022 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Oh no not Putin's stooges brrr Let's just put an anti nato/eu revolutionnary at the head of France. It seems like a good time to do it no ? I'm actually quite interested as to your reasons for voting that way ? It must be quite important to forget that he lets russian money dictate his policies. I want to break the system so I'll vote for the candidate that has the most chance of breaking the system. Seems fairly straightforward. Poutou is clearly a much better person but he's going to get like 3% or whatever. Looks like Le Pen has the most chance of breaking the system. Is she getting your vote?
Cool post friend.
User was warned for this post
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On April 10 2022 23:39 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2022 23:41 Nebuchad wrote:On April 09 2022 01:54 Erasme wrote:On April 08 2022 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Oh no not Putin's stooges brrr Let's just put an anti nato/eu revolutionnary at the head of France. It seems like a good time to do it no ? I'm actually quite interested as to your reasons for voting that way ? It must be quite important to forget that he lets russian money dictate his policies. I want to break the system so I'll vote for the candidate that has the most chance of breaking the system. Seems fairly straightforward. Poutou is clearly a much better person but he's going to get like 3% or whatever. When has voting to break the system ever resulted in the system actually getting better rather then just getting even worse?
No idea. When has voting to maintain a (neoliberal) system ever resulted in the system actually getting better rather than just getting even worse?
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France12911 Posts
Seems like same as 2017, that’s a bit annoying
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First estimates for the first round are put as 28.1% for Macron versus 23.3% for Le Pen with the closing of polls. Not as worrisome for Macron as the Belgian exit polls were indicating.
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