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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 08 2022 10:32 GMT
#27121
Well this isn't good.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12420 Posts
April 08 2022 11:05 GMT
#27122
Couldn't get my parents to vote Mélenchon btw. One Hidalgo and one Jadot. One of the most tilting things that has happened to me. But don't you know that Mélenchon is cringe blblblbl
No will to live, no wish to die
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 08 2022 11:31 GMT
#27123
yah i dont think you want to be pushing for any of putin's stooge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12420 Posts
April 08 2022 11:44 GMT
#27124
Oh no not Putin's stooges brrr
No will to live, no wish to die
D_lux
Profile Joined March 2009
Hungary60 Posts
April 08 2022 12:00 GMT
#27125
I don't want to derail the thread from the elections in France, but some people were interested in Orbán and his politics, so just putting this out here for anyone who is interested. The video has english subtitles.


At a rare press conference, where he answered questions of both Hungarian and foreign journalists, Orbán talked about the price cuts on utility costs, told the opposition to pull themselves together, and described at length why he changed his policy towards Russia – a Telex video summary.


telex.hu
there is no spoon
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
April 08 2022 13:27 GMT
#27126
On April 08 2022 19:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well this isn't good.

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1512064596915359764

What the....
Wasnt it like (at worst) 60-40 some weeks ago? What happened?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
April 08 2022 16:40 GMT
#27127
On April 08 2022 22:27 Mafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2022 19:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well this isn't good.

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1512064596915359764

What the....
Wasnt it like (at worst) 60-40 some weeks ago? What happened?

This is from a very American-centered political news site admittedly, but they write:

Part of it could have to do with low marks for his attempts to liberalize France’s economy, including making it easier for companies to lay off workers and lowering business taxes, which haven’t been popular. Some critics have called him “the candidate of the rich,” and moves like getting rid of the wealth tax and reducing social spending assistance have played into that. And Macron’s policies have resulted in populist outcry before, as a proposed gas tax hike in 2018 led to nationwide protests in what became known as the Yellow Vest Movement. Now his campaign is pushing the unpopular position of raising the retirement age, which may also explain why the race between him and Le Pen has narrowed.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/emmanuel-macron-could-lose-frances-presidential-election/


This is despite being graded quite well on foreign policy for the Russia-Ukraine war. Two polls I've read show the gap closing fast between Macron and Le Pen, and I'm starting to believe Le Pen has a realistic shot at an upset right now in the second round.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-08 17:13:23
April 08 2022 16:54 GMT
#27128
On April 08 2022 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Oh no not Putin's stooges brrr

Let's just put an anti nato/eu revolutionnary at the head of France. It seems like a good time to do it no ?
I'm actually quite interested as to your reasons for voting that way ? It must be quite important to forget that he lets russian money dictate his policies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9285 Posts
April 08 2022 17:16 GMT
#27129
Would be awkward if Russian intelligence found some dirt on Macron and revealed it right before the elections. I'm sure they're trying.
You're now breathing manually
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-08 17:29:55
April 08 2022 17:25 GMT
#27130
Indeed it would, unlike all the russian dirt found by french journalists on melenchon, lepen and zemmour.
To clarify, I am not pro macron, but he's simply the one i dislike the less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18246 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-08 19:18:10
April 08 2022 19:15 GMT
#27131
On April 09 2022 01:40 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2022 22:27 Mafe wrote:
On April 08 2022 19:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well this isn't good.

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1512064596915359764

What the....
Wasnt it like (at worst) 60-40 some weeks ago? What happened?

This is from a very American-centered political news site admittedly, but they write:

Show nested quote +
Part of it could have to do with low marks for his attempts to liberalize France’s economy, including making it easier for companies to lay off workers and lowering business taxes, which haven’t been popular. Some critics have called him “the candidate of the rich,” and moves like getting rid of the wealth tax and reducing social spending assistance have played into that. And Macron’s policies have resulted in populist outcry before, as a proposed gas tax hike in 2018 led to nationwide protests in what became known as the Yellow Vest Movement. Now his campaign is pushing the unpopular position of raising the retirement age, which may also explain why the race between him and Le Pen has narrowed.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/emmanuel-macron-could-lose-frances-presidential-election/


This is despite being graded quite well on foreign policy for the Russia-Ukraine war. Two polls I've read show the gap closing fast between Macron and Le Pen, and I'm starting to believe Le Pen has a realistic shot at an upset right now in the second round.

The Guardian had a similar analysis today, but centered more on the pivot Le Pen has made. In past elections she has pushed division and positioned herself as a leader in the fight of the people vs the elite. This election she has pivoted to pointing out how divisive Macron is (lots of emphasis on the yellow vests), and she is trying to position herself as a force for unification. This is actually helped rather than hindered by having Zemmour compete with her for the far right vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/04/the-rise-and-rise-of-frances-far-right-marine-le-pen

(wasn't today, today's was a different article but it says similar things)
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-08 19:52:18
April 08 2022 19:52 GMT
#27132
On April 09 2022 01:54 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2022 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Oh no not Putin's stooges brrr

Let's just put an anti nato/eu revolutionnary at the head of France. It seems like a good time to do it no ?
I'm actually quite interested as to your reasons for voting that way ? It must be quite important to forget that he lets russian money dictate his policies.


Neoliberal centrists seem to be doing so well at stopping the far right, lol
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 08 2022 19:54 GMT
#27133
--- Nuked ---
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 08 2022 19:55 GMT
#27134
On April 09 2022 02:16 Sent. wrote:
Would be awkward if Russian intelligence found some dirt on Macron and revealed it right before the elections. I'm sure they're trying.

I imagine folks will pull out all the stops from all sides at this point. Would be surprised not to see some sharper, more aggressive anti Le Pen stuff to try to ensure that she can't win.

I expect they'll squeeze out just enough stuff to jam Macron through, unfortunately.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
April 08 2022 19:58 GMT
#27135
On April 09 2022 04:54 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2022 04:52 Zambrah wrote:
On April 09 2022 01:54 Erasme wrote:
On April 08 2022 20:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Oh no not Putin's stooges brrr

Let's just put an anti nato/eu revolutionnary at the head of France. It seems like a good time to do it no ?
I'm actually quite interested as to your reasons for voting that way ? It must be quite important to forget that he lets russian money dictate his policies.


Neoliberal centrists seem to be doing so well at stopping the far right, lol

bout the same as social democrats and populists leftists.


Right, they're really in power right now and have been for the past ~decade after all lol
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 08 2022 21:11 GMT
#27136
--- Nuked ---
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43748 Posts
April 08 2022 21:19 GMT
#27137
One of the main arguments for the neoliberal conservatives like Hillary in the US and Cameron in the UK was that they’re the only ones entrenched enough to resist populism. That if you stand on your principles and refuse to fall in line then you’re leaving the door open to the far right. I’m sympathetic to that argument in as much as electoral politics is game theory and we do need to keep the far right populists out. But it doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny when they lose.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 08 2022 21:23 GMT
#27138
The irony being is that neoliberalism results in there being nothing but the far right.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28779 Posts
April 08 2022 21:47 GMT
#27139
On April 09 2022 04:55 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2022 02:16 Sent. wrote:
Would be awkward if Russian intelligence found some dirt on Macron and revealed it right before the elections. I'm sure they're trying.

I imagine folks will pull out all the stops from all sides at this point. Would be surprised not to see some sharper, more aggressive anti Le Pen stuff to try to ensure that she can't win.

I expect they'll squeeze out just enough stuff to jam Macron through, unfortunately.


Unfortunately as in they won't get anyone better than Macron or unfortunately as in it won't be Le Pen?
Moderator
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 08 2022 22:26 GMT
#27140
On April 09 2022 06:47 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2022 04:55 LegalLord wrote:
On April 09 2022 02:16 Sent. wrote:
Would be awkward if Russian intelligence found some dirt on Macron and revealed it right before the elections. I'm sure they're trying.

I imagine folks will pull out all the stops from all sides at this point. Would be surprised not to see some sharper, more aggressive anti Le Pen stuff to try to ensure that she can't win.

I expect they'll squeeze out just enough stuff to jam Macron through, unfortunately.


Unfortunately as in they won't get anyone better than Macron or unfortunately as in it won't be Le Pen?

The former. Though obviously my criteria for "better" may differ from that of the significant portion of the French electorate that actually lives in France.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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