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Acrofales
Spain18220 Posts
On June 18 2018 21:58 maybenexttime wrote: You are mixing up terror and terrorism. Very common in English, but only creates confusion, imo. Terror is what acts of terrorism aim to cause. Just replace terror for terrorism everywhere in Big J's post and it is perfectly correct. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5757 Posts
On June 18 2018 22:29 Acrofales wrote: Terror is what acts of terrorism aim to cause. Just replace terror for terrorism everywhere in Big J's post and it is perfectly correct. No, that wouldn't make sense. "Terrorism and criminality are way to mixed up nowadays. Terrorism originally was a political instrument of groups (and rarely of individuals) and was originally affiliated with (state) actions of monarchs, revolutionaries and extremist parties. Nowadays the term is almost exclusively used for actions NOT comitted by state officials, but by individuals with political or religious motives, and which imply killings." Terrorism was never used as a term for state policy of repressing dissent. Terror was. In recent years the two words began to be used interchangeably, but it wasn't always the case, as far as I know. Terror was used for actions of the state aimed at repressing its people, whereas terrorism was used for acts of violence by dissidents aimed at achieving political goals. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1951 Posts
So anyone who asks for stronger borders is probably just calling for less immigration or less intake of refugees. Calling for less immigration is pretty stupid considering our demographics and calling for less refugees intake is fucking stupid. Almost every "native" german person has someone lose his or her home in our last war and should be thankful that back then people did not send all the refugees away. But we forget way too quickly. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
Italian interior minister takes aim at Roma with census ROME (AP) - Italy's hard-line interior minister, who recently sparked a Europe-wide showdown by refusing entry to a rescue boat packed with 630 migrants, is now taking aim at Italy's minority Roma community. Minister Matteo Salvini told a Lombardy television Monday that he has wants to conduct a census of Roma in Italy to identify them. Salvini told TeleLombardia TV: "I've asked the ministry to prepare a dossier on the Roma question in Italy." He called the current situation of Roma, also known as Gypsies, "chaos." His remarks sparked immediate denunciations from center-left politicians, who warned that Italy had a "terrible" history with its Fascist-era census of Jews. Italy has a sizeable Roma community. Authorities periodically clear out the squatter camps where many Roma on the outskirts of big cities. Source Freemasons, foreigners, Fontana's statements on homosexuals, Romas... All lights turning to red one after the other. Who's next? | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
Just check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_diaspora#Population_by_country | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
Okay... Next he is suggesting the "final solution of the Roma question"? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On June 19 2018 02:52 mahrgell wrote: "the Roma question" Okay... Next he is suggesting the "final solution of the Roma question"? More like a combo of expulsions for the foreigners and repression for the nationals | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On June 19 2018 02:52 mahrgell wrote: "the Roma question" Okay... Next he is suggesting the "final solution of the Roma question"? I thought you overreacted, but there are other sources which cite the same. Very poor wording from that guy... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On June 19 2018 02:57 Plansix wrote: And people wonder why the Roma don’t assimilate or try to integrate with the national culture. They seem to be unaware of the century or more of history of that not working out for the Roma. Do you know why Romani people's integration doesn't work in my country? Because politicians want them to be unemployed and dumb. In return, they make a lot of children to abuse the welfare system. How does that help politicians? Dumb voters means easy targets.  | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On June 18 2018 19:08 Silvanel wrote: Thats not the definition anyone sane is using. But You cant deny that islamist are responsible for most deadly terrorist attacks in western world in recent years. I have no problem qualifying some forms of neonazis agression against refugees or refugee center as terror atatck since it both uses violence and have political goal, but saying that they are equivalent to islamist terror attack that leaves 70 people dead is nosense. Breivik is a good example of fairly recent non islamist terrorist in Europe. He clearly had a political goal in mind and tried to achieve it by use of violence so he fits definition very well. Actually, I can. In the US alone there's been more terror attacks by Christian groups than Muslim ones, they just aren't called terrorism because... it's not good for the story, I suppose. Look it up. Anti-abortion groups have launched a couple dozen terror attacks on clinics, several of them fatal. In EUROPE, the last decade has been almost exclusive Islamic State or Al-Qaeda, but if you include the whole western world... not so simple. Check the wikipedia entry. Even going by officially listed terrorist attacks, it's pretty split. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#Recent_trends | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On June 19 2018 03:10 iamthedave wrote: Actually, I can. In the US alone there's been more terror attacks by Christian groups than Muslim ones, they just aren't called terrorism because... it's not good for the story, I suppose. Look it up. Anti-abortion groups have launched a couple dozen terror attacks on clinics, several of them fatal. In EUROPE, the last decade has been almost exclusive Islamic State or Al-Qaeda, but if you include the whole western world... not so simple. Check the wikipedia entry. Even going by officially listed terrorist attacks, it's pretty split. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#Recent_trends Good, but this is the EU thread. Please discuss it in the US one. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 19 2018 03:11 sc-darkness wrote: Good, but this is the EU thread. Please discuss it in the US one. The post he is responding to references the Western world, which includes the US. Invoke all of the west when it comes to terrorism, that includes all of the US’s domestic terrorism. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On June 19 2018 03:00 sc-darkness wrote: Do you know why Romani people's integration doesn't work in my country? Because politicians want them to be unemployed and dumb. In return, they make a lot of children to abuse the welfare system. How does that help politicians? Dumb voters means easy targets. that doesn't follow as an argument; shall I assume that due to the " " you were being one of those comedic ones (not sure which one)? | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On June 19 2018 03:17 zlefin wrote: that doesn't follow as an argument; shall I assume that due to the " " you were being one of those comedic ones (not sure which one)?I don't feel the need to explain myself. No comedy; it's a serious post despite emoticon. If you have something to add, then so be it. Edit: I don't see this working for most Germans. It's probably going to make Merkel stronger instead. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
http://www.dw.com/en/crime-rate-in-germany-lowest-since-1992-but-seehofer-still-issues-stern-warning/a-43697232 Donald is talking out of his ass again, who could have known. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
I'm rather curious how you reconcile these two posts On June 19 2018 02:43 sc-darkness wrote: Not a big fan of Romani people because most of them abuse welfare system in my country, but they're not that many in Italy so that's a waste of time. I'd say if anyone is worried, it'd be Spain, France and Romania in Europe. Just check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_diaspora#Population_by_country On June 19 2018 03:00 sc-darkness wrote: Do you know why Romani people's integration doesn't work in my country? Because politicians want them to be unemployed and dumb. In return, they make a lot of children to abuse the welfare system. How does that help politicians? Dumb voters means easy targets. You complain about welfare abuse in the one and then tell us that the state is discriminating against them so they have to do what you complained about to survive. If we simplify like that you see the culprit in the victim. Which feels rather consistent with your posting but I'm stll curious what exactly made you post the former when knowing about the latter? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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