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On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated
I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters.
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On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters.
While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews".
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On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews".
Aren't the palestinians semitic people as well?
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On August 02 2014 03:41 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Aren't the palestinians semitic people as well?
Technically, yes, but colloquially antisemitism has meant racism towards Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
(I'll bet $1,000 that on the Talk page, there is a huge argument about exactly the point you're making)
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On August 02 2014 00:47 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 00:19 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 00:04 Broetchenholer wrote:On August 01 2014 23:50 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 01 2014 22:31 WhiteDog wrote:On August 01 2014 22:28 Big J wrote:
So the Hamas kidnapped a soldier during the ceasefire and Isreal now declares the ceasefire for over to search for the soldier in Gaza. Great stuff... The cease fire was also kinda imbalanced, since the Israeli kept 40 % of gaza and kept destroying tunnels. It's a "we keep doing our stuff you don't" cease fire type. You can say whatever you want about the cease fire before you agree to it, but in no way can you justify breaking a cease fire AFTER you agree to it by saying it was unfair in the first place. Is that what you're trying to do? On August 01 2014 22:32 redviper wrote:
Soldier is not kidnapped, soldiers are captured. Hamas captured a soldier stupid move to end the truce but not surprising given that Israel didn't really leave Gaza. That first sentence is completely false. See, for example, the case of Gilad Shalit, where he was widely reported as kidnapped because he was denied the rights given to "captured" soldiers. And of course it's not difficult to assume Hamas will do the same this time around. In any event, no, just because you're a soldier doesn't mean you can't be kidnapped. Could you please give a source why denying a prisoner of war his rights means you have to use the term kidnapped? And what rights were violated? This is nitpicking at best and showing most likely double standards throgh tying to villify the action of one side of the conflict. It is pretty probable that the Hamas will violate the rights of this poor guy, i don't want to be in his shoes, but besides breaking the truce, there is really nothing special about a soldier getting captured while invading the "enemy" territory. I was responding to redviper, who said he could not be considered kidnapped, because he is a solider. That is not true. Many sources reported Shalit as kidnapped (or "abducted") because he was denied rights. Here's a few: http://www.france24.com/en/20120309-gilad-schalit-abductor-killed-israeli-air-strike-gaza-city-militants-palestinian-qaissi/http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-06-25-israeli-palestinian_N.htmhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13628212And the Red Cross was not given access to him, and he was denied the right to communicate with family, both of which are given by the Geneva Convention. That's what makes it different than a captured soldier On August 02 2014 00:16 BigFan wrote:This was on the live blog on Al-Jazeera's website: Peter Lerner, spokesman for the Israeli Army, speaking from Tel Aviv confirmed to Al Jazeera, that the Israeli military was conducting an operation to destroy the tunnels in Gaza during the truce, when they came under attack by Hamas armed fighters.
Hamas said the operation was a violation of the truce. For me, reading up on the ceasefire, both sides were supposed to halt their operation but based on that, seems like one side decided not to and there was a response to it. Part of the terms of the cease fire was that Israel was allowed to continue destroying the tunnels. Hamas broke the cease fire. where did you read that? For me, all it meant is that they are allowed to leave their troops in Gaza but nothing else.
The statement said the ceasefire was critical to give civilians a much-needed reprieve from violence. During this period, civilians in Gaza will receive humanitarian relief and have time to bury the dead, take care of the injured and restock food supplies. The time also will be used to repair water and energy infrastructure.
“Israel will be able to continue its defensive operations for those tunnels that are behind its lines, and the Palestinians will be able to receive food, medicine and additional humanitarian assistance as well as to be able to tend to their wounded,” Kerry later told reporters.
A senior US official said Israel would make clear to the United Nations where its military lines are drawn in Gaza. “They will continue to do operations to destroy tunnels that pose a threat to Israeli territory… as long as those tunnels exist on the Israeli side of their lines,” the official said.
Source: http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-hamas-agree-to-72-hour-ceasefire/
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On August 02 2014 03:45 soon.Cloak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:41 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Aren't the palestinians semitic people as well? Technically, yes, but colloquially antisemitism has meant racism towards Jews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism(I'll bet $1,000 that on the Talk page, there is a huge argument about exactly the point you're making)
being anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic is the same thing; being anti-Israel is different.
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On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews".
Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs.
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On August 02 2014 03:50 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:45 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:41 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Aren't the palestinians semitic people as well? Technically, yes, but colloquially antisemitism has meant racism towards Jews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism(I'll bet $1,000 that on the Talk page, there is a huge argument about exactly the point you're making) being anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic is the same thing; being anti-Israel is different.
Disagree.
Anti-zionism is not the same thing as anti-semitism. I do not agree that the Jews should get their own country in Palestine. But I don't discriminate against Jews based on their faith and I have Jewish friends. That makes me anti-zionist but not anti-semetic.
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On August 02 2014 03:50 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:45 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:41 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Aren't the palestinians semitic people as well? Technically, yes, but colloquially antisemitism has meant racism towards Jews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism(I'll bet $1,000 that on the Talk page, there is a huge argument about exactly the point you're making) being anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic is the same thing; being anti-Israel is different.
Where in gods name did you get that from. That's completely backwards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism
Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism, a nationalism of Jews that supports a Jewish nation state in the territory defined as the Land of Israel.[1] In the modern era, Anti-Zionism is broadly defined as the opposition to the idea of an establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, the opposition to some policies of Israel and its extension, or to the modern State of Israel as defined as A Jewish and Democratic State.
On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs.
I think we already discussed this to death, but I'll repeat- Israel does not "often call out" to kill the Arabs. If you can find me, from the past 5 years, multiple statements of ranking Israeli officials to "kill all the Arabs", then I may believe you.
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On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs.
Does Israel "often call out to kill all Arabs"? Is there a source that any government official or person in power has stated this view? It's certainly true of Hamas in regards to Jews, and they are the voted majority. I'm curious...
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On August 02 2014 03:57 soon.Cloak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:50 xM(Z wrote:On August 02 2014 03:45 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:41 ImFromPortugal wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Aren't the palestinians semitic people as well? Technically, yes, but colloquially antisemitism has meant racism towards Jews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism(I'll bet $1,000 that on the Talk page, there is a huge argument about exactly the point you're making) being anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic is the same thing; being anti-Israel is different. Where in gods name did you get that from. That's completely backwards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ZionismShow nested quote +Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism, a nationalism of Jews that supports a Jewish nation state in the territory defined as the Land of Israel.[1] In the modern era, Anti-Zionism is broadly defined as the opposition to the idea of an establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, the opposition to some policies of Israel and its extension, or to the modern State of Israel as defined as A Jewish and Democratic State. Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs. I think we already discussed this to death, but I'll repeat- Israel does not "often call out" to kill the Arabs. If you can find me, from the past 5 years, multiple statements of ranking Israeli officials to "kill all the Arabs", then I may believe you.
What about orders to execute civilians, push them into exile, even rape. So OK it is not a "genocide", they don't want to kill "all arabs", ethnic cleansing will do.
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On August 02 2014 04:00 Rube_Juice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs. Does Israel "often call out to kill all Arabs"? Is there a source that any government official or person in power has stated this view? It's certainly true of Hamas in regards to Jews, and they are the voted majority. I'm curious...
Hamas is not the voted majority. They got 42.9% of the vote in 2006 and their support has declined since then. Please stop spreading this misinformation - Hamas does not represent all or even most of Gazans/Palestinians.
I have in fact, seen several Israeli members of the Knesset call for killing of Palestinians in recent weeks. One woman I believe referred to young Palestinian children as "snakes" and said all Palestinian mothers should be killed. Or raped. One of those.
Either way, Israel has its share of crazies as well.
EDIT - found it, it was murder:
“They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads,” the post reads. “Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”
Basically a member of the Israeli government called all Palestinians snakes, and called for the death of all Palestinian mothers as well as the physical destruction of all Palestinian homes.
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On August 02 2014 04:04 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 04:00 Rube_Juice wrote:On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs. Does Israel "often call out to kill all Arabs"? Is there a source that any government official or person in power has stated this view? It's certainly true of Hamas in regards to Jews, and they are the voted majority. I'm curious... Hamas is not the voted majority. They got 42.9% of the vote in 2006 and their support has declined since then. Please stop spreading this misinformation - Hamas does not represent all or even most of Gazans/Palestinians. I have in fact, seen several Israeli members of the Knesset call for killing of Palestinians in recent weeks. One woman I believe referred to young Palestinian children as "snakes" and said all Palestinian mothers should be killed. Or raped. One of those. Either way, Israel has its share of crazies as well. EDIT - found it, it was murder: Show nested quote +“They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads,” the post reads. “Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”
Who exactly is the voted majority then? Hamas governs the region. I was responding to a statement that Israel "often calls out to kill all Arabs", which I'd like to hear a source for. That's the only thing I'm looking for here.
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On August 02 2014 04:00 Rube_Juice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs. Does Israel "often call out to kill all Arabs"? Is there a source that any government official or person in power has stated this view? It's certainly true of Hamas in regards to Jews, and they are the voted majority. I'm curious...
No, because they don't want to kill all arabs. They just want to make sure that the 4 million arabs they don't like stay in their camps and don't make trouble (like asking for freedom or the rights to live, vote, defend themselves, travel and not get disappeared when they criticize the Israeli government).
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On August 02 2014 04:16 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 04:00 Rube_Juice wrote:On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs. Does Israel "often call out to kill all Arabs"? Is there a source that any government official or person in power has stated this view? It's certainly true of Hamas in regards to Jews, and they are the voted majority. I'm curious... No, because they don't want to kill all arabs. They just want to make sure that the 4 million arabs they don't like stay in their camps and don't make trouble (like asking for freedom or the rights to live, vote, defend themselves, travel and not get disappeared when they criticize the Israeli government).
So what you're saying is that it was an incorrect statement. Thank you, that's all I was asking.
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On August 02 2014 04:13 Rube_Juice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 04:04 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 04:00 Rube_Juice wrote:On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs. Does Israel "often call out to kill all Arabs"? Is there a source that any government official or person in power has stated this view? It's certainly true of Hamas in regards to Jews, and they are the voted majority. I'm curious... Hamas is not the voted majority. They got 42.9% of the vote in 2006 and their support has declined since then. Please stop spreading this misinformation - Hamas does not represent all or even most of Gazans/Palestinians. I have in fact, seen several Israeli members of the Knesset call for killing of Palestinians in recent weeks. One woman I believe referred to young Palestinian children as "snakes" and said all Palestinian mothers should be killed. Or raped. One of those. Either way, Israel has its share of crazies as well. EDIT - found it, it was murder: “They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads,” the post reads. “Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.” Who exactly is the voted majority then? Hamas governs the region. I was responding to a statement that Israel "often calls out to kill all Arabs", which I'd like to hear a source for. That's the only thing I'm looking for here.
There is no voted majority. Hamas does not govern the region, they have seats in the Parliament equivalent to 42.9% making them the biggest party. In countries outside the US where there isn't a 2 party system you have parties that win elections without having a majority. This is why coalitions between parties are often formed in orde to make deicions. Coalitions such as the one that Abas tried to form but with which Israel refused to negotiate.
As for your source: Ayelet Shaked is a member of the Knesset and posted the following on her Facebook page:
“Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”
She's a senior member of the Jewish Home party, which is part of Israel's ruling coalition.
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-lawmakers-call-genocide-palestinians-gets-thousands-facebook-likes
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On August 02 2014 04:23 Rube_Juice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 04:16 Jormundr wrote:On August 02 2014 04:00 Rube_Juice wrote:On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs. Does Israel "often call out to kill all Arabs"? Is there a source that any government official or person in power has stated this view? It's certainly true of Hamas in regards to Jews, and they are the voted majority. I'm curious... No, because they don't want to kill all arabs. They just want to make sure that the 4 million arabs they don't like stay in their camps and don't make trouble (like asking for freedom or the rights to live, vote, defend themselves, travel and not get disappeared when they criticize the Israeli government). So what you're saying is that it was an incorrect statement. Thank you, that's all I was asking.
Actually, he's wrong. See my above post.
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On August 02 2014 04:26 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 04:23 Rube_Juice wrote:On August 02 2014 04:16 Jormundr wrote:On August 02 2014 04:00 Rube_Juice wrote:On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:09 sekritzzz wrote:its likely the article is already posted since TL is generally quick but holy shit, "The is genocide permissible" article is lunatic. it was even posted on the leading israeli newspaper. Maybe instead of preaching to the world about the holocaust, they themselves should revisit its lessons and the de-humanization of a subjugated people the article: http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0 The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him. Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides. There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs. Does Israel "often call out to kill all Arabs"? Is there a source that any government official or person in power has stated this view? It's certainly true of Hamas in regards to Jews, and they are the voted majority. I'm curious... No, because they don't want to kill all arabs. They just want to make sure that the 4 million arabs they don't like stay in their camps and don't make trouble (like asking for freedom or the rights to live, vote, defend themselves, travel and not get disappeared when they criticize the Israeli government). So what you're saying is that it was an incorrect statement. Thank you, that's all I was asking. Actually, he's wrong. See my above post.
The word "often" does not imply one person saying one thing one time.
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On August 02 2014 04:30 Rube_Juice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 04:26 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 04:23 Rube_Juice wrote:On August 02 2014 04:16 Jormundr wrote:On August 02 2014 04:00 Rube_Juice wrote:On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:
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The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him.
Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides.
There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs. Does Israel "often call out to kill all Arabs"? Is there a source that any government official or person in power has stated this view? It's certainly true of Hamas in regards to Jews, and they are the voted majority. I'm curious... No, because they don't want to kill all arabs. They just want to make sure that the 4 million arabs they don't like stay in their camps and don't make trouble (like asking for freedom or the rights to live, vote, defend themselves, travel and not get disappeared when they criticize the Israeli government). So what you're saying is that it was an incorrect statement. Thank you, that's all I was asking. Actually, he's wrong. See my above post. The word "often" does not imply one person saying one thing one time.
Do you REALLY think that she is the only person that's ever said anything like that one time?
Or are you just making this argument because you know that it's easier for you to say than for me to go look up more examples?
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On August 02 2014 04:30 Rube_Juice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 04:26 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 04:23 Rube_Juice wrote:On August 02 2014 04:16 Jormundr wrote:On August 02 2014 04:00 Rube_Juice wrote:On August 02 2014 03:51 EtherealBlade wrote:On August 02 2014 03:38 soon.Cloak wrote:On August 02 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On August 02 2014 03:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 02 2014 03:16 DinoMight wrote:
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The guy who wrote that article is actually a lunatic, and many in the Jewish and pro-Israel community have come forward and condemned that kind of thought, but it's still scary to see how many people agree with him.
Usually when you see that kind of crazy-talk it's in the form of Muslim extremists talking about the destruction of Israel. The media sure does shove a lot of that down our throats. But crazies exist on both sides.
There is a huge, huge difference between wanting the destruction of the isreali state and mass genocide of the jewish people. For example iran actively hosts a jewish population but they still call for the dismantling of Israel. Calling for genocide means killing every single child, woman or man you see from that race. I dont want to believe it but the policy of Israels army seems to be heading that way. bombing UN refugee shelters for children or leveling entire neighborhoods is disturbing to say the least. Even Obama is getting frustrated I've argued before that refusing to recognize Israel's legitimacy is not an anti-semitic point of view nor is it the same as calling for "death to jews." Denying Israel's right to exist is a political statement entirely and is not synonymous with denying the Jewish people the right to exist. Too often they're blended together by Israel supporters. While this may be true, Hamas is both anti-Zionist and anti-semetic, as is evident by their charter's numerous reference to "Jews". Their leaders frequently state that their only problem is the zionist occupation. But in their day to day conduct they call out to kill all jews, just like Israel often calls out to kill all Arabs. Does Israel "often call out to kill all Arabs"? Is there a source that any government official or person in power has stated this view? It's certainly true of Hamas in regards to Jews, and they are the voted majority. I'm curious... No, because they don't want to kill all arabs. They just want to make sure that the 4 million arabs they don't like stay in their camps and don't make trouble (like asking for freedom or the rights to live, vote, defend themselves, travel and not get disappeared when they criticize the Israeli government). So what you're saying is that it was an incorrect statement. Thank you, that's all I was asking. Actually, he's wrong. See my above post. The word "often" does not imply one person saying one thing one time.
"That evidence disproves my absolute statement, so I'm just going to disregard it..."
You tried to make a point and it failed. Man up and accept it.
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