Malaysian airliner shot down over Eastern Ukraine - Page 55

On July 21 2014 10:56 Sub40APM wrote:

There is an online database of Buk missile launchers?

Britain is preparing to renew those demands on Tuesday against resistance from Paris, which is worried the downing of the MH-17 will swing international attention back on to France’s controversial €1.2bn contract to sell two Mistral-class state-of-the-art helicopter assault ships to Russia.
A French official said further “phase two” sanctions could be imposed but stressed that it was not yet “the moment” to move to further, broader sanctions. “For the moment the question of the Mistral contract does not arise,” the official said. “For now the contract is going ahead.”

On July 21 2014 10:34 micronesia wrote:

I don't understand this line of thinking (the part about how it's an accident so not much you can blame)...

People who shouldn't have such advanced technology are given the technology. They lack the training, or even some of the components necessary to use it properly. They shoot down a commercial airliner carrying civilians and squawking that it is a civilian plane. The group who used the equipment so irresponsibly, and the people who supplied this group so inappropriately are both heavily to blame.

On July 21 2014 12:34 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:

I think nobody should give the US army weapons either. The Iraq war had well over 50000 civilian deaths, no? Clearly it shows the US army is not trained enough to use their weapons systems professionally and should not possess such advanced technology.

Seriously...It's war. Mistakes happen, civilians die. Actually the war in eastern ukraine was remarkable for it's low body count. The Russian annexation of Crimea had a death toll of 3 or something? I can hardly remember any other invasion in the history of mankind with such a low death count... so this must mean the Russian army is the most professional in the world?...

Putin’s inner circle, most of whom have a background in the intelligence services, “completely rule out the possibility that Russia is responsible for this and point the finger squarely at the Americans,” said Olga Kryshtanovskaya, a sociologist who studies the country’s elite at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow.

One longtime Putin ally who runs a major state company said Ukrainian forces shot down the plane with U.S. connivance. This amounts to a war against Russia without a formal declaration, the executive said, asking not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter.

On July 21 2014 12:34 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:

I think nobody should give the US army weapons either. The Iraq war had well over 50000 civilian deaths, no? Clearly it shows the US army is not trained enough to use their weapons systems professionally and should not possess such advanced technology.

Seriously...It's war. Mistakes happen, civilians die. Actually the war in eastern ukraine was remarkable for it's low body count. The Russian annexation of Crimea had a death toll of 3 or something? I can hardly remember any other invasion in the history of mankind with such a low death count... so this must mean the Russian army is the most professional in the world?...

On July 21 2014 12:34 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:

I think nobody should give the US army weapons either. The Iraq war had well over 50000 civilian deaths, no? Clearly it shows the US army is not trained enough to use their weapons systems professionally and should not possess such advanced technology.

Seriously...It's war. Mistakes happen, civilians die. Actually the war in eastern ukraine was remarkable for it's low body count. The Russian annexation of Crimea had a death toll of 3 or something? I can hardly remember any other invasion in the history of mankind with such a low death count... so this must mean the Russian army is the most professional in the world?...

On July 21 2014 14:56 Amui wrote:

There are a lot of partial truths in there. While I have no doubt that some of the claims are true, for example, ukraine using the the same AA system. But Ukraine has nothing to shoot at because the people they're fighting against have no aircraft.

MH17: Intercepted calls genuine - US

Alleged intercepted phone conversations released by Ukraine's security service of pro-Russian rebels discussing how they shot down Malaysian airliner MH17 are genuine, the US embassy in Kiev says. Ukraine's SBU security agency...

On July 21 2014 14:56 Amui wrote:

There are a lot of partial truths in there. While I have no doubt that some of the claims are true, for example, ukraine using the the same AA system. But Ukraine has nothing to shoot at because the people they're fighting against have no aircraft.

A Ukrainian military transport plane was shot down Monday along the country's eastern border with Russia, the defense minister said.

Rebels in conflict-wracked eastern Ukraine immediately claimed responsibility for downing the Antonov AN-26 but Ukrainian Defense Minister Valeriy Heletey said the rocket may have been fired from Russia.

Heletey said the plane was flying at an altitude of 21,300 feet, which he said was too high to be reached with the weapons used by the separatists fighting government troops.

Ukrainian rebels boasted on social media on June 29 that they gained control of a Buk-M1 system when they overran a Ukrainian armed forces base in the conflict zone in eastern Ukraine, Russian news agency Itar-Tass reported. Mr. Nayda said that Ukrainian armed forces made that system nonoperational back in March, around the time when the fighting in the area kicked off. The core of the missile system remains on the base, but there are no warheads to arm it, he said.

Earlier that day, we had gone to the Donetsk city morgue looking for bodies from the Flight MH17 catastrophe that had been collected from the site of the crash. Two gunmen waiting outside the morgue ordered us to follow them as soon as we got out of our taxi. "Get in the car," said one of them, pointing at a Lada, after checking our documents.

Later we learned that he, a 20-year-old rebel sniper, was a student who dreamed of becoming a teacher, but now he was following orders. He said he had been commanded to grab every journalist showing up at the morgue. Journalists weren't to poke around among the bodies.

Anton, from Russia Today, asked Borodai why he had to spend a night in the SBU jail. Anton said that while he was in there he saw 50 detainees who had been waiting for days to have their cases heard. Borodai just joked: "If you have not spent a night at SBU, you are not a real journalist."

On July 21 2014 16:19 zeo wrote:
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Nice picture of menacing looking troops with ski masks on in that article. Maybe they should have edited out the Ukrainian flag if they are going to put it in an article claiming they went into anti-government controlled territories. Really helps to send the message of who are the good and who are the bad guys.

On July 21 2014 16:19 zeo wrote:
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Nice picture of menacing looking troops with ski masks on in that article. Maybe they should have edited out the Ukrainian flag if they are going to put it in an article claiming they went into anti-government controlled territories. Really helps to send the message of who are the good and who are the bad guys.

On July 21 2014 16:28 Falling wrote:

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No seriously
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Are you claiming the reporters created a fake story about being imprisoned... and they couldn't be bothered to photo-shop a flag out?