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Separatist fighters from the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic" (DPR) have reportedly stolen 36 bodies of people killed in the downing of the Malaysian airliner, rbc.ua reported.
The press service of the Donetsk Region State Administration made the announcement, citing eye-witnesses.
The Interpreter has translated the statement:
"After the end of of the active stage of work at the site of the tragedy, representatives of the DPR arrived at the village of Rassypnoye and stole 36 bodies of victims of the air crash. Armed fighters drove away rescue workers and took communication devices from most of them. They loaded the bodies into a truck like sacks. According to the fighters, they intend to take the bodies to Donetsk."
We have no verification of the report, but the fact that the statement was made by a local state administrator adds a certain credibility to it. Source.
Don't really understand that move. Why would they "steal" decomposing bodies?
And further, the US and other highly militarized countries have satellites capable of reading my newspaper in the morning, why aren't all eyes on the crashsite?
Likely they have eyes on the crash site, but the military intelligence wouldn't want to give away their capabilities by telling people what they see and how much they see...
And if the body snatching is real, I would hazard a guess that either a) they stupidly did stuff to the bodies that they don't want the investigators to see, or b) the bodies have evidence of something that they also don't want the investigators to see...
or c) they are just fucking weird.
While i understand that MIs wouldn't want to disclose their capabilities, but they pretty much should know whats going on. They can leak information without being specific.
The only reason i can think of for the bodysnatching is actually collecting them. Everything else would be retarded beyond reason ("well we lost the bodies, sorry"). It would pretty much be a confession, so i'd rather wait on that one to be confirmed.
The world should form an "anti-irregular-troops-emergency-medevac" or something. Or give the UN the power to react in such a case by securing the crashsite in "warzones". Getting the bodies out there to their families. The behaviour of the seperatists gets my blood boiling, honestly.
Our local media are saying that amongst the victims were 108 world experts on HIV research, flying to the conference in Melbourne. One of them was Joep Lange, Dutch clinical researcher specialized in HIV therapy.
Sad days. RIP my friend Darryl and your family. I hope everyone here thinks twice before making blunt comments, but Ive really enjoyed some posts thanks all
Separatist fighters from the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic" (DPR) have reportedly stolen 36 bodies of people killed in the downing of the Malaysian airliner, rbc.ua reported.
The press service of the Donetsk Region State Administration made the announcement, citing eye-witnesses.
The Interpreter has translated the statement:
"After the end of of the active stage of work at the site of the tragedy, representatives of the DPR arrived at the village of Rassypnoye and stole 36 bodies of victims of the air crash. Armed fighters drove away rescue workers and took communication devices from most of them. They loaded the bodies into a truck like sacks. According to the fighters, they intend to take the bodies to Donetsk."
We have no verification of the report, but the fact that the statement was made by a local state administrator adds a certain credibility to it. Source.
Don't really understand that move. Why would they "steal" decomposing bodies?
And further, the US and other highly militarized countries have satellites capable of reading my newspaper in the morning, why aren't all eyes on the crashsite?
If they finished them off they definitely would want to get those out of there.
Not that I'm claiming that any survived or were shot by forces on the ground, it's just the main reason I can think of for collecting only a few of someone else's dead bodies.
On July 19 2014 05:36 Moka wrote: It seems baffling to me that these airliners were permitted to fly in a warzone.
I hate all of these posts, because you people speak as if they're just casually hovering slowly at a couple thousand feet in the air taking a helicopter to their destination.
33k feet up is a lot different.
It's not. That's mediumish altitude for military aircraft and 33k feet up is easily attained by modern SAM system. So 33k feet is well within the warzone.
E: yes the IOCA said the route was fine and MA also were sure that the route was fine. Everything thinks everything is fine until a tragedy occurs. Didn't the IOCA notice that tensions were escalating? Anyone half lucid knows that the separatists are probably being backed by Russia. Separatists are also shooting down aircraft. It's still interesting to me that neither IOCA nor MA thought it wouldn't be a problem to cruise near a warzone well within the range of SAMs.
I'm not calling a conspiracy, that would be stupid. It's just that they weren't well aware of the situation.
I saw somewhere that the no fly zone for aircraft was sub 32k ft(could be wrong). at 33000ft, there is zero chance of being shot down by MANPADS, and I think the assumption was that anybody that could track them that high up could also identify them as being civilians.
So is Igor Girkin confirming that they shot down the plane, if he is stating that the bodies were already dead inside and blaming Ukraine forces for that? Because if he's sticking with the story that Ukraine shot down the plane, then having the bodies inside being dead already would be super redundant... unless he's going for the full conspiracy setup story instead.
This is what is called a 'throw as much shit on the wall and see what sticks defense' which is why they went from 'this was an assassination attempt on Putin' to 'Neo-Nazi Junta is evil and was hiding 2 jets in the trail of the plane' to now 'its full of dead bodies'
On July 19 2014 07:06 LegalLord wrote: To anyone who knows: were there any other passenger flights through East Ukraine before or after the MH17 incident?
Yes. The moment it was shot down there were another two big planes (one air india, the other i forgot). Lufthansa had 56 flights over there in the last couple of days.
On July 19 2014 07:06 LegalLord wrote: To anyone who knows: were there any other passenger flights through East Ukraine before or after the MH17 incident?
According to spiegel.de, these are the amount of flights by different airlines through the area over the last seven days:
i liked msbnc's segment on past similar events korean air 007 and iran 655.
i read up on those events long ago was quiet frustrated how the crew/officer of us navy were given medals, felt good to see it being shown to the public upon the light of this tragic event. the medals, is this political thing? tradition when completing a task? they made a huge mistake yet they were rewarded for it, i dont understand this. did the whole iran conflict out weigh the mistake? maybe someone knowledgeable can explain why they were awarded.
On July 19 2014 07:14 jinorazi wrote: i liked msbnc's segment on past similar events korean air 007 and iran 655.
i read up on those events long ago was quiet frustrated how the crew/officer of us navy were given medals, felt good to see it being shown to the public upon the light of this tragic event. the medals, is this political thing? tradition when completing a task? they made a huge mistake yet they were rewarded for it, i dont understand this. did the whole iran conflict out weigh the mistake? maybe someone knowledgeable can explain why they were awarded.
The guy in the Soviet case -- the pilot I mean -- to this day maintains that the KL flight was a spy plane, that he wished that his controllers allowed him to engage earlier so that when the plane crashed it would have crashed over Soviet territory where evidence of its spy equipment could have been recovered.
On July 19 2014 07:14 jinorazi wrote: i liked msbnc's segment on past similar events korean air 007 and iran 655.
i read up on those events long ago was quiet frustrated how the crew/officer of us navy were given medals, felt good to see it being shown to the public upon the light of this tragic event. the medals, is this political thing? tradition when completing a task? they made a huge mistake yet they were rewarded for it, i dont understand this. did the whole iran conflict out weigh the mistake? maybe someone knowledgeable can explain why they were awarded.
The men of the Vincennes were all awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completion of their tours in a combat zone. Lustig, the air-warfare coordinator, received the Navy Commendation Medal, often given for acts of heroism or meritorious service, a not-uncommon end-of-tour medal for a second tour division officer. According to the History Channel, the medal citation noted his ability to "quickly and precisely complete the firing procedure."[5] In 1990, The Washington Post listed Lustig's awards as one being for his entire tour from 1984 to 1988 and the other for his actions relating to the surface engagement with Iranian gunboats. In 1990, Rogers was awarded the Legion of Merit "for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer ... from April 1987 to May 1989." The award was given for his service as the commanding officer of the Vincennes, and the citation made no mention of the downing of Iran Air 655.[44]
Separatist fighters from the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic" (DPR) have reportedly stolen 36 bodies of people killed in the downing of the Malaysian airliner, rbc.ua reported.
The press service of the Donetsk Region State Administration made the announcement, citing eye-witnesses.
The Interpreter has translated the statement:
"After the end of of the active stage of work at the site of the tragedy, representatives of the DPR arrived at the village of Rassypnoye and stole 36 bodies of victims of the air crash. Armed fighters drove away rescue workers and took communication devices from most of them. They loaded the bodies into a truck like sacks. According to the fighters, they intend to take the bodies to Donetsk."
We have no verification of the report, but the fact that the statement was made by a local state administrator adds a certain credibility to it. Source.
Don't really understand that move. Why would they "steal" decomposing bodies?
And further, the US and other highly militarized countries have satellites capable of reading my newspaper in the morning, why aren't all eyes on the crashsite?
Likely they have eyes on the crash site, but the military intelligence wouldn't want to give away their capabilities by telling people what they see and how much they see...
And if the body snatching is real, I would hazard a guess that either a) they stupidly did stuff to the bodies that they don't want the investigators to see, or b) the bodies have evidence of something that they also don't want the investigators to see...
or c) they are just fucking weird.
While i understand that MIs wouldn't want to disclose their capabilities, but they pretty much should know whats going on. They can leak information without being specific.
The only reason i can think of for the bodysnatching is actually collecting them. Everything else would be retarded beyond reason ("well we lost the bodies, sorry"). It would pretty much be a confession, so i'd rather wait on that one to be confirmed.
The world should form an "anti-irregular-troops-emergency-medevac" or something. Or give the UN the power to react in such a case by securing the crashsite in "warzones". Getting the bodies out there to their families. The behaviour of the seperatists gets my blood boiling, honestly.
Yes, that would make sense. But Russia has a veto in the UNSC. Thus, nothing like that is going to happen, because Russia is very happy with the current situation in Ukraine being as chaotic as possible. Sadly, it is still impossible to make reasonable international politics without people wanting to fight some extension of a kindergarten fight. No war or chaos is obviously better for the world as a whole, as they do nothing except destroy work and ressources. Yet still they constantly happen, and there seems to be little interest in actually preventing them, because too many influential people profit from them, and too many gullible people think that fighting a war will end up with them better off, or at least less worse off then the other guy, which apparently is a reasonable goal.
On July 19 2014 07:14 jinorazi wrote: i liked msbnc's segment on past similar events korean air 007 and iran 655.
i read up on those events long ago was quiet frustrated how the crew/officer of us navy were given medals, felt good to see it being shown to the public upon the light of this tragic event. the medals, is this political thing? tradition when completing a task? they made a huge mistake yet they were rewarded for it, i dont understand this. did the whole iran conflict out weigh the mistake? maybe someone knowledgeable can explain why they were awarded.
Iran Air 655 is shameful for the US beyond explanation. Shooting down a civilian plane and not have the decency to apologize afterwards because, you know, they were just Iranians...
Yes, that would make sense. But Russia has a veto in the UNSC. Thus, nothing like that is going to happen, because Russia is very happy with the current situation in Ukraine being as chaotic as possible.
In this case i'm actually not entirely sure about that, since they vigorously declined the blackboxes. They could've done all kinds of bs with those, yet they decided not to. This is something civilian, in my idea the UN wouldn't get involved in the general fighting, purely guarding the crashsite.
I highly doubt Russia is going to veto UN action here. Vetoing highly politicized unilateral action is one thing. Dealing with the shootdown of a passenger plane is another story. More likely they will agree to some sort of negotiated ceasefire.
Can't believe rebels are not allowing investigators and international help close to the crash site. Fucking assholes. They are just gangsters. Netherlands should send troops to secure the site imo.
also I am not sure if this has been posted yet, but here is some phone tapping done by the Ukrainian military of the russian separatist reporting on the plane they shot down.
It's unbelievable how we won't even be able to retrieve the bodies the way things are looking now. 300 persons dead and in pieces and instead of recovering them we have to wait for these clowns to finish their pointless power trip.
It is difficult, however, to convincingly lay blame for MH17 at Ukraine's door, because the pro-Russian rebels are the ones who have been shooting down aircraft in the area: They have no warplanes of their own, and anti-aircraft weapons are their only way to counteract the government forces' supremacy in the air. Ukraine's military, by contrast, have nothing to shoot at that has wings.
The Russian propaganda machine is struggling to deal with this simple fact. So far, the following versions have surfaced:
· The Ukrainians launched a missile hoping to shoot down Putin's own plane. "A source in the Russian Federal Air Transport Agency" told the Interfax news agency that the Malaysian jet and Putin's specially modified Il-96 briefly passed the same spot 10,100 meters over Poland yesterday, and the two planes look alike from a distance: both are big and decorated with red, white and blue stripes. "Considering the schizophrenia in Kiev political circles, this version does not appear absurd," pro-Putin TV host Vitaly Tretyakov wrote on Livejournal.
· The residents of Grabovo, a village near the crash site, saw a warplane in the sky "several minutes before the crash." They also saw it "launch several missiles." Then debris started raining down. Other Russian media quote rebel representatives saying with certainty that a Ukrainian fighter plane was responsible.
· The other Malaysian Airlines loss, Flight MH370, which mysteriously disappeared in March, was hijacked with a view to staging a provocation against Russia and now, finally, has been used. The bodies at the crash site are those of MH370 passengers: they're partially decomposed and the European passports found strewn on the ground are suspiciously new.
· A Spanish air traffic controller working in Ukraine said on Twitter that Ukrainians shot down the plane. The Ukrainian authorities then threatened him so he wouldn't disclose the truth. (Twitter closed down the account after ascertaining there was no such air traffic controller in Kiev).
I may have missed a few other colorful myths, but the general plan is clear: to sow doubt in the minds of ordinary Russians. "The more versions, the less clear it is, the less clear it is, the more time there is to work out the final version that will later become canonical," columnist Oleg Kashin wrote on svpressa.ru.
To outsiders, Russian media coverage of the Ukraine crisis may seem far-fetched, conspiracy-laden, and contradictory. But it’s effectively convinced Russians that the Ukrainian rebels need their help to fight brutal repression by Kiev. “Aggressive and deceptive propaganda, worse than anything I witnessed in the Soviet Union,” is how Lev Gudkov, director of the Levada polling group, described it to the BBC last month. Indeed, Levada surveys show that most Russians think their country should be doing more to support the rebels, including direct military intervention in Ukraine.
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