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Malaysian airliner shot down over Eastern Ukraine - Page 32
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In order to maintain some kind of respectable thread quality and to show some respect for those who lost friends in this tragedy, we're forced to enact a hard line policy for this thread. Any posts holding an opinion on who is responsible or making an accusation that is not held by neutral media will be banned. Policy is in effect from page 27 onwards. Specifically, citing a Ukrainian or Russian source for your claims is going to get you banned. Opinions/facts/accusations arising from neutral media sources (i.e. media whose country of origin is not Ukraine, Russia or one of its puppet states) will be permitted. This policy extends to all forms of media; if a youtube video or picture has not come through a neutral media source then don't post it or you'll be banned. If you wish to discuss this policy please use this website feedback thread. Updated policy on aggressive posting and insults. | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
My condolences go out to the family and friends of the victims and I hope that the European Union as a whole will respond accordingly. | ||
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Nisyax
Netherlands756 Posts
http://www.nu.nl/vliegramp-oekraine/3831390/zeker-173-nederlanders-omgekomen-bij-vliegramp-oekraine.html | ||
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C[h]ili
Germany167 Posts
I think the lesson for us should be to avoid armed conflict whenever possible. | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On July 18 2014 18:07 C[h]ili wrote: Very sad news, what a tragic accident. I think the lesson for us should be to avoid armed conflict whenever possible. I agree with you. If that can happen, we probably won't be a single planet race, and many problems of the world would have been solved if the resources spent on military/ conflict were channelled into other venues. This is a true tragedy that has occurred.... | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
On July 18 2014 18:07 C[h]ili wrote: Very sad news, what a tragic accident. I think the lesson for us should be to avoid armed conflict whenever possible. You wouldn't have thought people needed to learn the lesson 'it’s not a good idea to give highly sophisticated weapons to people who have almost no idea what they are doing with them.' But apparently Moscow does. It’s made so much more tragic by the fact the rebels/separatists almost certainly didn’t mean to bring down this particular plane. 300 life’s, for no good reason. edit: I guess it hasn't be conclusively proved the separatists did it. So I should frame this by saying this is what I believe happended and this is how I feel about it if that does turn out to be the case. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
This story is saying that a lot of top AIDS researchers were on that flight =\ | ||
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zeo
Serbia6299 Posts
On July 18 2014 17:51 Mithhaike wrote: I would like to enquire as to your source that the missiles captured were incomplete. From my understanding, the separatists claimed the missiles were working, while Kiev said it's not. So you believe what Kiev says now? From your history you were highly skeptical of anything from Kiev, convenient timing to switch sides. Like you said, look at the facts. Your postings has indicated that you have chosen a side, and your cherry picking of convenient "facts" are indicative too. Sorry you lack credibility IMO. Well here is a statement (from today) from the Prosecutor General of Ukraine that rebel forces had not captured any BUK systems. Though its a Russian source citing the Prosecutor General of Ukraine it should be easy to find a Ukrainian (or any other) source for the same thing. http://news.mail.ru/politics/18918028/?frommail=1 + Show Spoiler + После того, как был сбит пассажирский самолет, военные доложили президенту, что у террористов нет наших ракетных комплексов “Бук” и С-300, — сообщил генпрокурор. — Захвата этого вооружения не было "After having been hit by a passenger plane, the military reported to the President that the terrorists have our missile systems" Buk "and C-300 - said the prosecutor general. - There was no capture of these weapons. " edit: Here we go: https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainian-prosecutor-general-says-militants-did-not-seize-ukrainian-air-defense-launchers-356619.html Ukrainian prosecutor general says militants did not seize Ukrainian air defense launchers User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 18 2014 18:01 Nisyax wrote: At least 173 Dutch people died in the crash as of now, 20 yet to be identified. No Americans yet. http://www.nu.nl/vliegramp-oekraine/3831390/zeker-173-nederlanders-omgekomen-bij-vliegramp-oekraine.html I feel like if there is any Americans on there, there will be a shit storm brewing | ||
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WiggyB
United Kingdom103 Posts
On July 18 2014 18:24 zeo wrote: Well here is a statement (from today) from the Prosecutor General of Ukraine that rebel forces had not captured any BUK systems. Though its a Russian source citing the Prosecutor General of Ukraine it should be easy to find a Ukrainian (or any other) source for the same thing. http://news.mail.ru/politics/18918028/?frommail=1 + Show Spoiler + После того, как был сбит пассажирский самолет, военные доложили президенту, что у террористов нет наших ракетных комплексов “Бук” и С-300, — сообщил генпрокурор. — Захвата этого вооружения не было edit: Here we go: https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainian-prosecutor-general-says-militants-did-not-seize-ukrainian-air-defense-launchers-356619.html In order to maintain some kind of respectable thread quality and to show some respect for those who lost friends in this tragedy, we're forced to enact a hard line policy for this thread. Any posts holding an opinion on who is responsible or making an accusation that is not held by neutral media will be banned. Policy is in effect from page 27 onwards. Specifically, citing a Ukrainian or Russian source for your claims is going to get you banned. Opinions/facts/accusations arising from neutral media sources (i.e. media whose country of origin is not Ukraine, Russia or one of its puppet states) will be permitted. This policy extends to all forms of media; if a youtube video or picture has not come through a neutral media source then don't post it or you'll be banned. If you wish to discuss this policy please use this website feedback thread. I believe you are in violation sir!. Of course they are going to say that | ||
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zeo
Serbia6299 Posts
On July 18 2014 18:29 WiggyB wrote: I believe you are in violation sir!. Of course they are going to say that If you have both sides reporting on the same thing in the same way thats just more conformation that the news is true. No? Elaborate why 'of course they would say that'? Why would Kiev deliberately lie? In your own opinion. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5290 Posts
On July 18 2014 18:16 Ghanburighan wrote: Apparently Russia closed several flight zones near the crash site hours before the incident, including the one the flight was flying into. Source Putin's jet flew trough that area/zone ~30min before malaysian airlines plane did, so it could be related. User was warned for this post | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On July 18 2014 18:59 19Meavis93 wrote: any good places to follow that twisted? http://www.npo.nl/live oh apparently just the news journal not the press conference\ The stream on this page is going to show the press conference. http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/schok-en-ongeloof-na-vliegramp#node_963096 | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
Edit: A Russian BUK missile launcher has been seen in separatist occupied territory. They don't say who's seen it. The BUK has the ability to take out planes at high altitudes. I "could" have been used to shoot it down. But there's no proof for it. Also Dutch ministry (at press conference) now also says it's likely that the airplane has been shot down. Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974861/Malaysian-Airlines-crash-Russian-Mobile-missile-launcher-could-be-responsible.html The BUK http://rt.com/files/online-exclusive/galleries/tanks/anti-air-buk-missile-system/ttt_img_0599-2.jpg | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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