EPTMalaysian airliner shot down over Eastern Ukraine - Page 33
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Nisyax
Netherlands756 Posts
On July 18 2014 19:35 Derez wrote: Nothing said in the press conference. Yea, nothing new. Same old 'we don't know yet' or 'we need to be more certain' and 'we shall investigate bla bla'. The only thing I learned is that my dad doesn't really like our minister of security and justice because of other reasons. | ||
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Crushinator
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On July 18 2014 19:35 Derez wrote: Nothing said in the press conference. Untrue, they confirmed that they think from their sources that the plane was most likely shot down. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On July 18 2014 19:24 Sjokola wrote: Holy shit man... I don't really understand why airlines would take any risk in flying over conflict zones. Edit: A Russian BUK missile launcher has been seen in separatist occupied territory. They don't say who's seen it. The BUK has the ability to take out planes at high altitudes. I "could" have been used to shoot it down. But there's no proof for it. Also Dutch ministry (at press conference) now also says it's likely that the airplane has been shot down. Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974861/Malaysian-Airlines-crash-Russian-Mobile-missile-launcher-could-be-responsible.html The BUK http://rt.com/files/online-exclusive/galleries/tanks/anti-air-buk-missile-system/ttt_img_0599-2.jpg Yeah, just read ealy pages of this thread. There is pictures and video of buk missime launcher in rebel territory. | ||
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
On July 18 2014 19:48 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Yeah, just read ealy pages of this thread. There is pictures and video of buk missime launcher in rebel territory. Ow sorry. I didn't look through all the pages | ||
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2stra
Netherlands928 Posts
On July 18 2014 19:45 Crushinator wrote: Surely what is new is that a Dutch investigative team was sent to Ukraine? I thought it was (albeit understandable) a bit disconcerting that he couldn't comment on the current situation of the crash site. Could the investigation ever be considered impartial if the investigative teams only arrive after a (couple of) day(s)? | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Friday suggested France should halt the export of Mistral warships to Russia, even if the current sanctions regime still allows it. "In Germany, we are putting on hold the construction of a shooting centre in Russia, given the situation," she said during a press conference.erman Chancellor Angela Merkel on Friday suggested France should halt the export of Mistral warships to Russia, even if the current sanctions regime still allows it. "In Germany, we are putting on hold the construction of a shooting centre in Russia, given the situation," she said during a press conference.source | ||
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On July 18 2014 20:38 pellejohnson wrote: Has there been any logical comment about how the rebels would have been able to use such a highly sophisticated Anti-Air system as a Buk? Is it just dumb luck that they had a person who had previously been in the army and assigned to such a system? I can't see someone using a system like that with trial and error People have suggested Russian help. It's only speculation either way. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On July 18 2014 20:38 pellejohnson wrote: Has there been any logical comment about how the rebels would have been able to use such a highly sophisticated Anti-Air system as a Buk? Is it just dumb luck that they had a person who had previously been in the army and assigned to such a system? I can't see someone using a system like that with trial and error Well, Buk (this means Beech in english btw) is russian and the rebels are russians, so it wont be surprise if they know how to operate such systems. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 18 2014 20:38 pellejohnson wrote: Has there been any logical comment about how the rebels would have been able to use such a highly sophisticated Anti-Air system as a Buk? Is it just dumb luck that they had a person who had previously been in the army and assigned to such a system? I can't see someone using a system like that with trial and error It's well known that Russia has helped pro russia friendly rebels in the area by equipping them with modern weaponry. This leads many to believe, which includes UN, NATO, etc, that rebels might have gotten BUK missiles along with some kind of limited training on how to use them. Because they would lack training and experince it's very possible they would make this kind of mistake. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4692 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On July 18 2014 14:03 ticklishmusic wrote: Is it possible that Twitter will be able to release the deleted tweets by the pro-Russian separatists? Do screenshots of those tweets exist? It wasn't the twitter, it was a russian social media Vkontakte, and it is right now fully controlled by the Kremlin (it wasn't at the start of Ukrainian crisis, but after they misbehaved a few times, people came knoking at their doors. So the owner had to step off and leave the country) | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On July 18 2014 17:04 LegalLord wrote: One pretty good russian news source would be http://lenta.ru/ . Google translate works pretty well for it. Lenta.ru was overtaken by Kremlin during Ukrainian crisis as well. There may be some people doing their job the old way, but the trend is negative. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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· 189 Netherlands · 44 Malaysia · 27 Australia · 12 Indonensia · 9 UK · 4 Belgium · 4 Germany · 3 Philippines · 1 Canada · 1 New Zealand Four passengers’ nationalities remain to be verified. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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Now, a preliminary classified U.S. intelligence analysis has concluded that the missile that hit Flight 17 most likely was fired by pro-Russian separatists inside eastern Ukraine, according to a U.S. defense official with direct access to the latest information. sourceThe official declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the information. | ||
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