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In order to maintain some kind of respectable thread quality and to show some respect for those who lost friends in this tragedy, we're forced to enact a hard line policy for this thread. Any posts holding an opinion on who is responsible or making an accusation that is not held by neutral media will be banned. Policy is in effect from page 27 onwards.

Specifically, citing a Ukrainian or Russian source for your claims is going to get you banned. Opinions/facts/accusations arising from neutral media sources (i.e. media whose country of origin is not Ukraine, Russia or one of its puppet states) will be permitted. This policy extends to all forms of media; if a youtube video or picture has not come through a neutral media source then don't post it or you'll be banned. If you wish to discuss this policy please use this website feedback thread.

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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 18 2014 14:53 GMT
#681
On July 18 2014 23:52 whiteLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 23:50 ahswtini wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:48 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:43 Cheerio wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:40 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:39 ahswtini wrote:
How easy would it be to run voice matching on those alleged intercepted phonecalls?



going all CSI in this shit huh ? lol

what's so funny about that?


how exactly do you imagine voice matching working here?

To confirm the identities of those people speaking in the phonecalls? I don't know how many existing recordings there are of Bezler and Geranin. Voice recognition was used a lot to verify the authenticity of bin Laden videos.



well thats cuz hes motherfucking bin laden not some random dude who went rogue soldier

Why do you think I asked 'how easy would it be', instead of just comign out and saying to do voice recognition? Get off your high horse.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
July 18 2014 14:57 GMT
#682
On July 18 2014 23:52 whiteLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 23:50 ahswtini wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:48 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:43 Cheerio wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:40 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:39 ahswtini wrote:
How easy would it be to run voice matching on those alleged intercepted phonecalls?



going all CSI in this shit huh ? lol

what's so funny about that?


how exactly do you imagine voice matching working here?

To confirm the identities of those people speaking in the phonecalls? I don't know how many existing recordings there are of Bezler and Geranin. Voice recognition was used a lot to verify the authenticity of bin Laden videos.



well thats cuz hes motherfucking bin laden not some random dude who went rogue soldier

Seriously do your own research before you come in here pretending to be the authority on everything. Neither of these guys are random people. Voice analysis is actually a fairly simple thing if you have samples, so stop pretending that your knowledge of television is greater than knowledge of the real world.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 14:59:42
July 18 2014 14:58 GMT
#683
On July 18 2014 23:57 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 23:52 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:50 ahswtini wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:48 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:43 Cheerio wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:40 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:39 ahswtini wrote:
How easy would it be to run voice matching on those alleged intercepted phonecalls?



going all CSI in this shit huh ? lol

what's so funny about that?


how exactly do you imagine voice matching working here?

To confirm the identities of those people speaking in the phonecalls? I don't know how many existing recordings there are of Bezler and Geranin. Voice recognition was used a lot to verify the authenticity of bin Laden videos.



well thats cuz hes motherfucking bin laden not some random dude who went rogue soldier

Seriously do your own research before you come in here pretending to be the authority on everything. Neither of these guys are random people. Voice analysis is actually a fairly simple thing if you have samples, so stop pretending that your knowledge of television is greater than knowledge of the real world.


they are random people get real, they might not be random to russian services but beyond that i doubt they were on some television show like CSI Miami to give you voice samples LMAO
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
July 18 2014 14:59 GMT
#684
On July 18 2014 23:58 whiteLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 23:57 Jormundr wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:52 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:50 ahswtini wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:48 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:43 Cheerio wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:40 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:39 ahswtini wrote:
How easy would it be to run voice matching on those alleged intercepted phonecalls?



going all CSI in this shit huh ? lol

what's so funny about that?


how exactly do you imagine voice matching working here?

To confirm the identities of those people speaking in the phonecalls? I don't know how many existing recordings there are of Bezler and Geranin. Voice recognition was used a lot to verify the authenticity of bin Laden videos.



well thats cuz hes motherfucking bin laden not some random dude who went rogue soldier

Seriously do your own research before you come in here pretending to be the authority on everything. Neither of these guys are random people. Voice analysis is actually a fairly simple thing if you have samples, so stop pretending that your knowledge of television is greater than knowledge of the real world.


they are random people get real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Bezler
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
July 18 2014 15:01 GMT
#685
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?
Pure fan
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 18 2014 15:03 GMT
#686
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote:
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?

Nobody knows for sure, and may never know. A lot of evidence is pointing towards the pro-Russian rebels. They have shot down Ukrainian aircraft in the recent weeks in that region. They boasted on twitter that they had downed a Ukrainian plane, before taking it down once it became known that a passenger plane had gone down. They had previously boasted that they had Buk missile systems, now they deny having them.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
July 18 2014 15:03 GMT
#687
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote:
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?


what are your news channels saying?

User was warned for this post
Yes im
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
July 18 2014 15:04 GMT
#688
On July 18 2014 23:50 whiteLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 23:48 ahswtini wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:40 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:39 ahswtini wrote:
How easy would it be to run voice matching on those alleged intercepted phonecalls?



going all CSI in this shit huh ? lol

That wasn't a fucking joke.


no need to get mad, watch less TV there is no super mega voice database where everyones voice is stored ,this is real life not CSI miami ))))))

Not but there's very few people that's never had their voice recorded, be it voice-mail or whatever. If there's enough interest in finding it can probably be found, no one is claiming there's some secret database.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 18 2014 15:05 GMT
#689
On July 19 2014 00:04 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 23:50 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:48 ahswtini wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:40 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:39 ahswtini wrote:
How easy would it be to run voice matching on those alleged intercepted phonecalls?



going all CSI in this shit huh ? lol

That wasn't a fucking joke.


no need to get mad, watch less TV there is no super mega voice database where everyones voice is stored ,this is real life not CSI miami ))))))

Not but there's very few people that's never had their voice recorded, be it voice-mail or whatever. If there's enough interest in finding it can probably be found, no one is claiming there's some secret database.

Not to mention Ukrainian intelligence and other intelligence services must have been intercepting their calls long before this event.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
July 18 2014 15:10 GMT
#690
On July 19 2014 00:05 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:04 nam nam wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:50 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:48 ahswtini wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:40 whiteLotus wrote:
On July 18 2014 23:39 ahswtini wrote:
How easy would it be to run voice matching on those alleged intercepted phonecalls?



going all CSI in this shit huh ? lol

That wasn't a fucking joke.


no need to get mad, watch less TV there is no super mega voice database where everyones voice is stored ,this is real life not CSI miami ))))))

Not but there's very few people that's never had their voice recorded, be it voice-mail or whatever. If there's enough interest in finding it can probably be found, no one is claiming there's some secret database.

Not to mention Ukrainian intelligence and other intelligence services must have been intercepting their calls long before this event.

And he's been the second most wanted man in Ukraine for a while, after Strelkov.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 15:23:59
July 18 2014 15:21 GMT
#691
On July 19 2014 00:03 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote:
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?


what are your news channels saying?

User was warned for this post

They say that ukrainian army shot that plane down
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
July 18 2014 15:33 GMT
#692
On July 19 2014 00:21 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:03 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote:
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?


what are your news channels saying?

User was warned for this post

They say that ukrainian army shot that plane down


actually not

they say there is no information on it
Pure fan
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 15:40:44
July 18 2014 15:39 GMT
#693
On July 19 2014 00:33 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:21 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:03 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote:
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?


what are your news channels saying?

User was warned for this post

They say that ukrainian army shot that plane down


actually not

they say there is no information on it

Tvoi Den magazine says that Ukraine army shot it down
Izvestia Daily says that this is provocation by Kiev
And they both say that rebels don't have weaponry to take down plane in 10km height

Their source is what rebels said to them.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
July 18 2014 15:40 GMT
#694
Which there really isn't until a credible third party can come in and investigate the wreckage.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
July 18 2014 15:41 GMT
#695
On July 19 2014 00:39 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:33 PaleMan wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:21 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:03 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote:
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?


what are your news channels saying?

User was warned for this post

They say that ukrainian army shot that plane down


actually not

they say there is no information on it

Tvoi Den magazine says that Ukraine army shot it down
Izvestia Daily says that this is provocation by Kiev
And they both say that rebels don't have weaponry to take down plane in 10km height

Their source is what rebels said to them.



since when internet portals are tv news channels?
Pure fan
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 15:46:14
July 18 2014 15:42 GMT
#696
without posting an "opinion on who is responsible" as it seems forbidden

seeing the seperatists say it was them shooting the army aircrafts yesterday etc, makes it look like it was them (since they was the only ones shooting at aircrafts since the seperatists not have own aircrafts)

until yet for me this was an "innern ukraine conflict" with russia acting a little bit strange ...
now that changed alot with so many death foreign civilians and there HAS to to an NEUTRAL international control of who shoot and then there must be a huge punishment for whoever is guilty (with neutral i mean not eu or usa or russia because everyone has a side we need a comitee with all groups involved)

this is NOT acceptable

On July 19 2014 00:21 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:03 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote:
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?


what are your news channels saying?

User was warned for this post

They say that ukrainian army shot that plane down


rly ? here its still "no evidence" who shot it, its just everyone thinking it was the guys shooint aircrafts over the last days but i RLY hope media here keeps calm (which is hard after 4 dead germans) but i cant even imagine whats going on in the netherlands now ...

PS: also i think banning people from country of this dead persons for being a bit "angry" not help anyone ... i can understand every angry dutch guy today ...
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 15:43:53
July 18 2014 15:43 GMT
#697
On July 19 2014 00:40 Sermokala wrote:
Which there really isn't until a credible third party can come in and investigate the wreckage.


How will a third party looking at the wreckage help? They will say it was hit from that angle with "this" type of missile. Both parties in the area will likely have them.
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
July 18 2014 15:44 GMT
#698
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote:
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?

Russians are.

User was temp banned for this post.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 15:48:26
July 18 2014 15:44 GMT
#699
On July 19 2014 00:41 PaleMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:39 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:33 PaleMan wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:21 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:03 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote:
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?


what are your news channels saying?

User was warned for this post

They say that ukrainian army shot that plane down


actually not

they say there is no information on it

Tvoi Den magazine says that Ukraine army shot it down
Izvestia Daily says that this is provocation by Kiev
And they both say that rebels don't have weaponry to take down plane in 10km height

Their source is what rebels said to them.


since when internet portals are tv news channels?

Oh ye, my bad. My brains understood it wrong

/In Finland:
I don't watch news realy but yesterday I watched tv news for first time in ages. Only thing they could say was that plane was crashed, most likely shot down. This was 4 hours after plane got shot down.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
July 18 2014 15:51 GMT
#700
On July 19 2014 00:44 Technique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote:
so i just found this thred and i have a question:

who is responsible for shooting this plane down?
or there is no info on this yet?

Russians are.


sigh
Pure fan
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