EPTSeveral planes have been shot down in the weeks before,some of them at high altitude.
Cant believe that the organization wich isues air restrictions for aircraft didn't close this route.
Malaysian airliner shot down over Eastern Ukraine - Page 36
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Several planes have been shot down in the weeks before,some of them at high altitude. Cant believe that the organization wich isues air restrictions for aircraft didn't close this route. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 19 2014 00:40 Sermokala wrote: Which there really isn't until a credible third party can come in and investigate the wreckage. The trouble here is that there really is no credible third party, unless you want to involve the Malaysian government or something.One group or the other will strongly object to Russia, the US, and EU country, or anyone within any of their spheres of influence, which pretty much means the entire world. On July 18 2014 21:48 Cheerio wrote: Lenta.ru was overtaken by Kremlin during Ukrainian crisis as well. There may be some people doing their job the old way, but the trend is negative. So I've heard, but I simply haven't seen it. Their news articles have been about as level-headed as anything I've seen. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On July 19 2014 00:52 LegalLord wrote: The trouble here is that there really is no credible third party, unless you want to involve the Malaysian government or something.One group or the other will strongly object to Russia, the US, and EU country, or anyone within any of their spheres of influence, which pretty much means the entire world. Malaysian Air should have gotten the black boxes at the very least. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On July 19 2014 00:55 Jormundr wrote: Malaysian Air should have gotten the black boxes at the very least. This, but would they? Especially with everything that is already going on in that area. I feel that it wouldn't be an easy task with time ticking on how fast the suppose looting* began. * I don't remember if there was a credible source on this through out the thread. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On July 19 2014 00:52 LegalLord wrote: The trouble here is that there really is no credible third party, unless you want to involve the Malaysian government or something.One group or the other will strongly object to Russia, the US, and EU country, or anyone within any of their spheres of influence, which pretty much means the entire world. So I've heard, but I simply haven't seen it. Their news articles have been about as level-headed as anything I've seen. The Netherlands as the leader of an international investigation that involves Boeing, locals, Malaysians and Russians should be the most likely course of action. There really is no way around any of those being involved. | ||
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Mc
332 Posts
On July 19 2014 00:01 PaleMan wrote: so i just found this thred and i have a question: who is responsible for shooting this plane down? or there is no info on this yet? This is a lifenews broadcast shortly after the plane was shot down. They didn't know yet it was a passenger plane and they are saying that the rebels down a Ukrainian AH-26 transport plane. Once it turned out that this was a commercial plane, the Russian news of course starting saying all sorts of different things. The location they mention (Snizhne) is where the Malaysian flight was shot down and no Ukrainian army planes had been shot down there, thus making it very clear that it is referring to this incident and not a previous incident A rough translation for non-Russian speakers (not mine but from reddit- but I double checked that it's legit): + Show Spoiler + Rebels reporting of hitting down another plane of Ukrainian army, it happened in city Torez, Donetsk republic. It happened in 17:00 p.m Moscow time. Over the city was flying Ukrainian AN-26, suddenly it was hit by a missile , was explosion, plane began to fall. I will add that it happened near city Snezhnoye and Kurgan-mogila, controlled by rebels. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
Source (click the date to see the specific tracée) | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
A London-based correspondent of Kremlin-funded news channel Russia Today has resigned in protest at its coverage of the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. Sara Firth, who worked at Russia Today for five years, described the channel’s reporting of the crash in which 298 people were killed, including a former BBC journalist, as the “straw that broke the camel’s back”. Russia Today, which has been criticised as a propaganda mouthpiece for the Russian government, suggested Ukraine was to blame for the crash, while most media organisations have said it was shot down by a suspected Russian-made missile. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On July 19 2014 01:15 Sub40APM wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/18/mh17-russia-today-reporter-resigns-sara-firth-kremlin-malaysia Didn't earlier one reporter left RT due their reporting about crimea? | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 19 2014 01:22 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Didn't earlier one reporter left RT due their reporting about crimea? One did it on air, another didnt quit but had an editorial free on air discussion about their lies. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On July 19 2014 00:51 Rassy wrote: Incredible to allow planes to fly over that area. Its a war zone. Several planes have been shot down in the weeks before,some of them at high altitude. Cant believe that the organization wich isues air restrictions for aircraft didn't close this route. the planes shoot was below 10000 meters, and the rockets the rebellions have normaly can never fly high enough to hit a boing | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
also german media say nato gave proof that russia send heavy anti air weapons to ukraine, but still nato as "enemy" of russia isnt the most rilable source so anyone has other sources for that ? also media say that it was "Igor Strelkow" because he should have said on facebook about a successfull shoot before they knew it was a civilian aircraft and also some talk recorded but i only have german "media" which i not rly trust so i would like to get some inernational media sites if possible for that but to be honest who cares who shoot ,,, its just such a tragic accident  (god hope no one WANTED to shoot a civilian aircraft) | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 19 2014 01:30 Drake wrote: german media changed and now are on super anti putin track with pictures where he looks like crazy dictator ... typical media ... also german media say nato gave proof that russia send heavy anti air weapons to ukraine, but still nato as "enemy" of russia isnt the most rilable source so anyone has other sources for that ? Reuters reporter had a picture of the buk missile launcher in the general area where the Malaysian air was shot down the day before. the terrorists also deleted their own tweets about owning a missile launcher of the same type after the plane was downed. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On July 19 2014 01:37 Sub40APM wrote: Reuters reporter had a picture of the buk missile launcher in the general area where the Malaysian air was shot down the day before. the terrorists also deleted their own tweets about owning a missile launcher of the same type after the plane was downed. german media say thta Igor Strelkow posted a few minutes after the shooting of the boing that the seperatists shot a uktraine army transporter ... but still the only proves they provide are some posts in vcontacts which should be like the russian facebook and the media WHO saying this are known for saying alot of "things" without having a proof so ... also the youtube video where the guys talk to each other is from ukraine military service so i have no idea about its truth if anyone have more informations would be cool to get them | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On July 19 2014 01:39 zev318 wrote: cant believe someone really just said who cares who shot. And that is the typical German position on Russia, don't worry, I don't understand it either. german media changed and now are on super anti putin track with pictures where he looks like crazy dictator ... typical media Because that's exactly what he is. He is redrawing borders on this continent and his support of the pro-Russian seperatists has just cost 300 people their lives. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
But soon enough, that record was edited to portray a different side of the story. The same article reports that a Moscow IP address from a computer at VGTRK, the All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company, replaced the earlier edit with the sentence, "The plane was shot down by Ukrainian soldiers." The discovery was made by a Twitter bot that tracks anonymous Wikipedia edits made from IP addresses used by the Russian government. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On July 19 2014 01:39 zev318 wrote: cant believe someone really just said who cares who shot. oh god you got me wrong there ofc its importent who shoot and best shoot him too but i mean NOW its just so sad that whoever shoots i dont care now its just SUPER SHIT and horrible .... doenst change for who shoot it, its sad... i am just shit in english sry if that came wrong also i rly just try to not get banned by say it was xy ... ofc its importent find the guilty and then act like it ... after hearing the voicechat of the seperatists talking about a shot civilian aircraft and found dead bodys i mean its pretty sure now who shot, its now importent if russia was involved and as far as i know, the rebells not had rockets fly so high earlier i just not wanna hop on the all so common "lets hate putin" train that drives trough germany every day we really need to have an neutral investigation and then! make huge! punishments | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
so far like 4 germans 10 uk alot dutch 1 us american so many innocent lifes ... | ||
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