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Romania5281 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18395 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
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pmh
1352 Posts
Am at the point now where I am hoping for 2 more draws,rapid will be very fun to watch. Just hope it wont get to blitz,that feels a bit like a lottery. Players look very evenly matched,i don't see caruana lose he is so solid. If anyone I think carlsen is more at risk due to his playstyle though I also doubt he will lose. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On November 23 2018 17:05 pmh wrote: 10 draws,2 more to go ha ha. Yesterdays game was great,very entertaining stream again with the guests as well. Am at the point now where I am hoping for 2 more draws,rapid will be very fun to watch. Just hope it wont get to blitz,that feels a bit like a lottery. Players look very evenly matched,i don't see caruana lose he is so solid. If anyone I think carlsen is more at risk due to his playstyle though I also doubt he will lose. Carlsen beats Caruana on every head to head metric. The only reason Carlsen is more at risk is that he's playing a lot below his best in this championship (pretty much everyone including Carlsen's said it at this point) | ||
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pmh
1352 Posts
There was a discussion on the chess stream 2 days ago. Did carlsen get worse or did the other players catch up. The opinion was that other players caught up but I think it is a little bit of both. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On November 23 2018 19:56 pmh wrote: Carlsen is the superior player overall I do agree. Carlsen did peak early compared to other world champions. He isn't even 30 yet. Kasparov was still in his prime at that age and clearly the best of the field. It all seems much more close now in the top 5. There was a discussion on the chess stream 2 days ago. Did carlsen get worse or did the other players catch up. The opinion was that other players caught up but I think it is a little bit of both. He's missing chances he wouldn't have in the past and making mistakes he likewise wouldn't have in the past. That's not players catching up to him. He said himself he doesn't see the moves as easily as he used to. My hope is that he defends his title and the near-miss galvanises him into a return to form. At this point I do think that he'll retain, looking at how they've both played under pressure. Caruana seems to lose the mental game every time, which is likely going to hurt a lot when it comes to the rapid and blitz games. The thing that seems to be helping him most is Magnus seems under-prepared in basically every game. But I've noticed consistently that as soon as Caruana starts having to think (usually meaning he's outside preparation) he makes mistakes that let Carlsen force a draw if he wants it, whereas Carlsen seems to do just fine outside of preparation, even if it doesn't take him to a win. He did come ridiculously close to it last night though. Unfortunately, as he said himself, he was in the position where if he pushed hard for the mate, he would have got it or got mated himself, and he didn't feel confident enough in confirming it, so settled for a draw. | ||
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Zephyp
238 Posts
On November 23 2018 06:11 Warfie wrote: yeah it was pretty tense, interesting how caruana said he felt like he had winning chances a couple moves longer than what the computer analysis indicated I sometimes think broadcasts and commentary on live chess games relies too much on computers. The computers can calculate far longer and more advanced than humans. Even the best players in the world don't stand a chance. Late in one of the games in this WC there was a situation where Carlsen made a move and the computer calculated win for Caruana in 64 moves or something like that. It's just not humanly possible to figure out all the eventualities and possibilities of computers. When they set AlphaZero up against Stockfish, they played games nobody had seen before. It's chess humans can't possibly play because it's so complicated. When these computers are used to evaluate a game, they can show advantages which require moves humans can't find. I'm watching a broadcast where one of the announcers is a GM aren't using a computer deliberately and don't watch the others' screens. Computers are of course useful, but I think it works best in combination with someone watching and judging without a computer. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
In any case, these last three games are the first live ones Ive ever watched and it's been a great experience. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On November 23 2018 20:41 iamthedave wrote: But I've noticed consistently that as soon as Caruana starts having to think (usually meaning he's outside preparation) he makes mistakes that let Carlsen force a draw if he wants it, whereas Carlsen seems to do just fine outside of preparation, even if it doesn't take him to a win. Except those 2 times (not even counting the danger last night) where he was simply lost (or to put it in more human terms since both wins very admittedly very complex: much, much better)? One of them in a game where he got outplayed move after move in one of the driest positions imaginable? While Carlsen hasn't gotten serious winning chances since what, game 1? Like come on, don't just try to make things fit your narrative. Carlsen started strong in the first 2 games, but he's been on the receiving end more often than not since. And that's not all due to inferior preparation. It's simply been a very even match with somewhat inconsistent (for their standards) play from both. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18395 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Carlsen definitely feels somewhat weaker over time. He’s still largely winning and his ELO is still up there, but it’s clear that something isn’t there anymore. In game 1 and game 10, there were definitely winning chances but he just doesn’t find them anymore. And although individually it’s understandable that in each game he doesn’t get it, as an aggregate trend it’s noticeable. He’s definitely willing to acknowledge that it is so. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On November 24 2018 13:15 sharkie wrote: Carlsen had serious winning chances yesterday... Yeah because they entered a dogfight position where anything might've happened. Not because he played better and got a great position. He did get the slightly more pleasant end of a rook ending at first, but Caruana was never seriously in danger once the smoke cleared (and objectively, though maybe not practically, he obviously had the better chances throughout the game). Hardly indicative of either player outplaying the other. Just an entertaining game. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On November 24 2018 13:58 Orome wrote: Yeah because they entered a dogfight position where anything might've happened. Not because he played better and got a great position. He did get the slightly more pleasant end of a rook ending at first, but Caruana was never seriously in danger once the smoke cleared (and objectively, though maybe not practically, he obviously had the better chances throughout the game). Hardly indicative of either player outplaying the other. Just an entertaining game. That's... exactly what playing better means? I don't think there's much of an argument that Caruana in prep and outside prep are two very different players. He was up on Magnus almost an hour in game... 9 was it? And the second he got out of preparation and had to think Magnus switched up on him. I don't know what that means, exactly, but it means something. The game where Caruana came by far closest to winning, he was in prep all the way up to the point mate on Magnus seemed like a thing... then got out of prep and Magnus almost immediately forced a draw because he made mistakes. Everything I'm seeing suggests that they're very equal players, but that Caruana needs deep preparation a bit more than Magnus does. All I really read from it is that Caruana is very likely going to lose, and possibly quite badly, once they get to rapid and blitz. We're going to find out quite soon, unless one of them breaks through today and tomorrow (I don't think they're going to). As for streams, the Chess.com stream uses engines a bit I think, but they also have Hikaru Nakamura doing commentary and he always slaps them for it, which is funny. The Chess24 stream with Svidler, Anand and Grischuk really doesn't need engine analysis. Those three brains are almost an engine in themselves. Svidler's got a wonderful listenable voice, too, and Grischuk's very funny. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
Having half the match be Sicilian was nice. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18395 Posts
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uthgard
2098 Posts
Magnus can't be bothered playing? lol | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
With shorter time control, Magnus essentially won. | ||
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