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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
November 26 2018 18:09 GMT
#1961
Ridiculous.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18772 Posts
November 26 2018 18:10 GMT
#1962
Magnus just lost all respect he ever gained for me...

Why would Magnus of all people ever offer a draw with this position? After time control sure but Fabi with less than 10min remaining?!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 26 2018 18:13 GMT
#1963
It does seem like a bit of an odd draw offer to be honest, but I assume magnus is just supremely confident in his rapid game.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 26 2018 18:14 GMT
#1964
I’d be way more confident in winning in a winning position than in tiebreaks. Holy hell, wtf...
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
November 26 2018 18:14 GMT
#1965
Fuck professional chess, seriously.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18772 Posts
November 26 2018 18:18 GMT
#1966
huge loss to chess today
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
November 26 2018 18:45 GMT
#1967
wow just wow

i was a huge fan of carlsen before

but its hard to be after this. i guess he really is burned out
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
November 26 2018 18:48 GMT
#1968
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
November 26 2018 19:08 GMT
#1969
On November 27 2018 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
It does seem like a bit of an odd draw offer to be honest, but I assume magnus is just supremely confident in his rapid game.


Odd!?!??!!? fabi was under tremendous time pressure, magnus was in a better position. he had to play the correct move with only a few minutes to calculate/find them, what did magnus have to lose by playing out the position for the next 9 moves until the next time control was reached? where is the killer instinct of the world champ????

unbelievable

still so disappointed by this
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
November 26 2018 19:40 GMT
#1970
Magnus hasn't been himself this entire WC. I wonder if he is ill. It would explain why he would want to draw this quickly: to conserve energy.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 26 2018 20:11 GMT
#1971
On November 27 2018 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
It does seem like a bit of an odd draw offer to be honest, but I assume magnus is just supremely confident in his rapid game.


He'll go for draws in rapid too, since he's even more confident in blitz.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 26 2018 21:17 GMT
#1972
On November 27 2018 05:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2018 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
It does seem like a bit of an odd draw offer to be honest, but I assume magnus is just supremely confident in his rapid game.


He'll go for draws in rapid too, since he's even more confident in blitz.

And then he’ll go for draws in those, and play Black in Armageddon and win on the draw?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
AKnopf
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany259 Posts
November 26 2018 23:05 GMT
#1973
On November 27 2018 06:17 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2018 05:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 27 2018 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
It does seem like a bit of an odd draw offer to be honest, but I assume magnus is just supremely confident in his rapid game.


He'll go for draws in rapid too, since he's even more confident in blitz.

And then he’ll go for draws in those, and play Black in Armageddon and win on the draw?

That would be epic, though. And then today would make more sense.
The world - its a funny place
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 27 2018 00:12 GMT
#1974
In Magnus' defense, it can be hard to change your mindset in a game. He came in looking to get a draw with as few risks as possible. Suddenly 'going for it' as he put it would've gone against what he told himself to do all day yesterday. Still though, I can't help feeling the Carlsen of a few years ago wouldn't have settled so meekly.

Maybe it'd end up being a good thing for him if he actually lost the WC title. Take a bit of pressure off, refocus on chess instead of your legacy. Losing to Anand definitely helped Kramnik's game (or at least fun levels) a lot. Then again, we've even had rumours Carlsen might think about retiring if he lost, so who knows.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-27 06:57:43
November 27 2018 06:56 GMT
#1975
i find it more shocking that people expect their idols(or anyone for that matter) not to change with age; that stuff is genetically/biologically (pre)determined. when one can't be like he used to be(those brief moments of not living up to) you don't have to crucify him because you feel let down.
shit happens, he'll have to live with. you, coming up with: 'but i was offended by it', 'he felt short of my expectations' or 'but i was deceived(by my own delusions)' is just ... come on, grow up.

Kasparov these days is just a politician, in it to get more followers.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
November 27 2018 07:31 GMT
#1976
Same goes for Kramnik I assume, just in it for the followers? Right.

This was two World Cup football teams sitting down on the pitch in overtime, refusing to play the game out but rather take it to penalties. You must be new to sports if you can't see why this doesn't sit too well with the viewers.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 27 2018 08:04 GMT
#1977
No one was willing to play it out to the bitter end under classic time controls, so now we deliberately choose to decide the champion based on a format where the players think quickly and are expected to make blunders under increased time pressure. Damn straight it bothers me. And even though this game would have most likely ended in a draw by natural progression, just offering the dra w before the fact is wholly disgraceful.

The tiebreakers shouldn’t be a strategy, they should be a last resort for deadlocked games where you just have to ultimately have a winner without resorting to having to play 48 games in a row. This was sad day for chess.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
November 27 2018 08:16 GMT
#1978
Kramnik proposed an interesting solution to the issue; to play the tiebreakers before the classical games to ensure an imbalance. It instinctively feels weird but judging from people who knows chess better than me, something has to change to the format.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-27 09:26:33
November 27 2018 09:25 GMT
#1979
no one owes the viewers anything, be it in football or chess. competitors duke it out based on rules and you, the viewer, are the incidental at their show. if a competitor wants to give you the finger, you can do nothing about it. if it's not infringing on some rules, your whining and bitching amounts to nothing.
the only thing you might think you have on them is the money you directly or indirectly support them with, and if they tell you 'fuck your money', you're done; you indignation has no power(moral or legal) to do anything.

you are not the chess, so when you're sad, the chess doesn't care. stop being offended because the world doesn't spin based on your assumptions.

(once you get that, you can start talking about a middle ground(as Kramnik?) else just get out because in any negotiations here, you'll kill the game for your entertainment)
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18772 Posts
November 27 2018 09:50 GMT
#1980
On November 27 2018 16:31 Longshank wrote:
Same goes for Kramnik I assume, just in it for the followers? Right.

This was two World Cup football teams sitting down on the pitch in overtime, refusing to play the game out but rather take it to penalties. You must be new to sports if you can't see why this doesn't sit too well with the viewers.


Actually if you want to compare it to football terms yesterday's draw offer was more like: Carlsens 11 players vs 10 players of Fabi with a whole halftime (45min) to go and Carlsens team says "nahh we'd rather go to penalties than to try to win vs 10 men"

And no one does that in football.
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