On November 10 2018 02:56 fishjie wrote: does anyone know any website that does a live blog? i have to watch the stream on mute at work, so im looking for a live blog with annotations. chats saying magnus is winning g1, but i have no clue whats going on. magnus has an attack but fabi defense looks good? only thing is that fabi is in time trouble
edit: omg 21 ... nf8
thats the move i would've played! (so far ive guessed wrong on most of them lol)
i'm assuming magnus wants to move the knight to f4 eventually?
I finally found a commentator who does these games the way i like it (ie so I can follow what's happening) GM Simon Williams. I'm a fan anyway, I play the Dutch Defense after buying one of his DVDs.
I enjoyed the chess.com stream when I watched it. Morning on work days isn't a great time to watch games, though, so I only got to see just the one so far.
no, there will be a tiebreaker if that happens. From Wikipedia:
If the match is tied after 12 games, tie breaks will be played on the final day in the following order, if necessary:
* Best of 4 rapid games (25 minutes for each player with an increment of 10 seconds after each move). The player with the best score after four rapid games is the winner; otherwise they proceed to blitz games. * Up to five mini-matches of best of 2 blitz games (5 minutes plus 3 seconds increment after each move). The player with the best score in any two-game blitz match is the winner. If all five two-game matches are tied, an "Armageddon" game is played. * One sudden death "Armageddon" game: White receives 5 minutes and Black receives 4 minutes. Both players receive an increment of 3 seconds starting from move 61. The player who wins the drawing of lots may choose the color. In case of a draw, the player with the black pieces is declared the winner.
Can,t wait for todays draw,just kidding. The match has been interesting thus far,its nice to see that engines didn't completely ruin the whole experience. I think there is a nice synergy now where we can look at the engines while still appreciating the human players. Its ages ago now that my official rating was 2200,have not played for years but since this match I started playing online again. Its been a great championship and very entertaining to watch. Compliments to the chess.com stream with Hess and Daniel. They really hit it I think.
On November 19 2018 20:42 Dingodile wrote: you stay champion if the games ended 6.0 - 6.0 after 12 games. If the score is 6.0 - 5.0 after 11 games, game 12 has to be played?
While the reply beneath yours is technically correct, you also are correct.
Magnus is the world no. 1 in both blitz and rapid chess, while Caruana is like 6th in one and only top 20 in the other. Most people predict he'll be massacred if it gets to tie breaks. I've seen some people theorise that Magnus is so confident of winning those that he's playing for draws deliberately and making very few bold moves just in case Caruana pulls a reversal.
On November 19 2018 20:42 Dingodile wrote: you stay champion if the games ended 6.0 - 6.0 after 12 games. If the score is 6.0 - 5.0 after 11 games, game 12 has to be played?
While the reply beneath yours is technically correct, you also are correct.
Magnus is the world no. 1 in both blitz and rapid chess, while Caruana is like 6th in one and only top 20 in the other. Most people predict he'll be massacred if it gets to tie breaks. I've seen some people theorise that Magnus is so confident of winning those that he's playing for draws deliberately and making very few bold moves just in case Caruana pulls a reversal.
That seems fair as an assesment of the situation. I doubt Caruana would get murdered, but Carlsen should be favourited there.
Magnus definitely knows he has a huge advantage in speed chess. While in classical Caruana is not a lot weaker than him. So the best plan for him would be to go for draws.
Still, Carlsen so far has been the player who tried more things than Caruana did. Very disappoining
The game 6 hold by magnus where he was down a whole piece for a pawn was incredible
game 8 sounds like magnus has blundered with g5???? uh oh
edit: nope magnus got another draw - nakamura commentary on chess.com was good, they were saying g5 was not a good move, but that its really hard to play all the best moves OTB, and that after g5 magnus played like a god
On November 20 2018 02:07 fishjie wrote: The game 6 hold by magnus where he was down a whole piece for a pawn was incredible
game 8 sounds like magnus has blundered with g5???? uh oh
edit: nope magnus got another draw - nakamura commentary on chess.com was good, they were saying g5 was not a good move, but that its really hard to play all the best moves OTB, and that after g5 magnus played like a god
Caruana made a big error playing h3 and losing tempo when he could have pushed for something more, but yeah, Magnus did well to hold on for the draw.
On November 20 2018 02:07 fishjie wrote: The game 6 hold by magnus where he was down a whole piece for a pawn was incredible
game 8 sounds like magnus has blundered with g5???? uh oh
edit: nope magnus got another draw - nakamura commentary on chess.com was good, they were saying g5 was not a good move, but that its really hard to play all the best moves OTB, and that after g5 magnus played like a god
Caruana made a big error playing h3 and losing tempo when he could have pushed for something more, but yeah, Magnus did well to hold on for the draw.
Which is why people talking about how G5 was a blunder are missing the point. The game was slipping away, everyone said so. G5 was to put pressure on Caruana and make him doubt. Basically, H3 by Caruana is exactly why G5 was played.
I think the engine analysis said he was safe, but across the board, staring down a queen, a bishop, and two pawns advancing on his King, I can see why Caruana felt he needed to take his foot off the gas to make sure he was safe. And then Carlsen used that tiny opening to force him into a draw.
Caruana's definitely out-prepping Carlsen, but Carlsen's winning the mental game every time.
On November 20 2018 02:07 fishjie wrote: The game 6 hold by magnus where he was down a whole piece for a pawn was incredible
game 8 sounds like magnus has blundered with g5???? uh oh
edit: nope magnus got another draw - nakamura commentary on chess.com was good, they were saying g5 was not a good move, but that its really hard to play all the best moves OTB, and that after g5 magnus played like a god
Caruana made a big error playing h3 and losing tempo when he could have pushed for something more, but yeah, Magnus did well to hold on for the draw.
Which is why people talking about how G5 was a blunder are missing the point. The game was slipping away, everyone said so. G5 was to put pressure on Caruana and make him doubt. Basically, H3 by Caruana is exactly why G5 was played.
I think the engine analysis said he was safe, but across the board, staring down a queen, a bishop, and two pawns advancing on his King, I can see why Caruana felt he needed to take his foot off the gas to make sure he was safe. And then Carlsen used that tiny opening to force him into a draw.
Caruana's definitely out-prepping Carlsen, but Carlsen's winning the mental game every time.
g5 is definitely a mistake. No one and least of all Carlsen is going to knowingly play a move that makes the position go from somewhat unpleasant to very unpleasant in the vague hope that your opponent psychs himself out. Moreover the position before g5 wasn't quite that desperate.
Carlsen went for g5 to get some counterplay (which it did give him) and underestimated how difficult it made his defense, simple as that.
Apart from it definitely being a mistake (an interesting take is that Carlsen simply mixed up his move orders - after 18.. f4, there's a line with Ra4 where 19.. g5 suddenly becomes very interesting), I don't see what mental game Carlsen's supposed to be winning. He didn't scare Fabi out of the complications after Qh5, that's not the type of player Caruana is. He's extremely principled and maybe the best calculator out there right now. He wasn't scared, he simply underestimated just how good his position was and didn't manage to find all the ideas in a very complicated position (on a slightly better day, he does). If anything, the only real possible argument is that Caruana soundly won the mental battle that game. He somehow (the position wasn't anywhere close to requiring it) managed to make Carlsen play g5, a move that goes utterly against Carlsen's style. Even disregarding objective evaluations, the position they got as a result is very much to Caruana's taste and not at all to Carlsen's. Add to that the fact that Carlsen nearly managed to lose game 6 because he stubbornly tried to keep the game going instead of taking the life out of the position (plus that he hasn't managed to get any pull at all since the beginning of the match) and I don't get how you can possibly claim he's winning the mental game.
Carlsen's also definitely not playing for draws. Yes he's playing incredibly harmless lines as white (probably the biggest surprise of the match so far), but he's been offering Caruana a real fight in almost every black game and trying to keep games going even when the objective grounds for doing so are tenuous at best. Not taking very many risks isn't playing for a draw, that's just how Carlsen plays chess.
On November 21 2018 14:26 Orome wrote: Apart from it definitely being a mistake (an interesting take is that Carlsen simply mixed up his move orders - after 18.. f4, there's a line with Ra4 where 19.. g5 suddenly becomes very interesting), I don't see what mental game Carlsen's supposed to be winning. He didn't scare Fabi out of the complications after Qh5, that's not the type of player Caruana is. He's extremely principled and maybe the best calculator out there right now. He wasn't scared, he simply underestimated just how good his position was and didn't manage to find all the ideas in a very complicated position (on a slightly better day, he does). If anything, the only real possible argument is that Caruana soundly won the mental battle that game. He somehow (the position wasn't anywhere close to requiring it) managed to make Carlsen play g5, a move that goes utterly against Carlsen's style. Even disregarding objective evaluations, the position they got as a result is very much to Caruana's taste and not at all to Carlsen's. Add to that the fact that Carlsen nearly managed to lose game 6 because he stubbornly tried to keep the game going instead of taking the life out of the position (plus that he hasn't managed to get any pull at all since the beginning of the match) and I don't get how you can possibly claim he's winning the mental game.
Carlsen's also definitely not playing for draws. Yes he's playing incredibly harmless lines as white (probably the biggest surprise of the match so far), but he's been offering Caruana a real fight in almost every black game and trying to keep games going even when the objective grounds for doing so are tenuous at best. Not taking very many risks isn't playing for a draw, that's just how Carlsen plays chess.
Caruana hasn't shown me anything special outside his preparation so far. When he is out of his prep he usually takes super long time for moves or plays subpar moves quickly. So I don't really see how you can call him the best calculator
On November 21 2018 14:26 Orome wrote: Apart from it definitely being a mistake (an interesting take is that Carlsen simply mixed up his move orders - after 18.. f4, there's a line with Ra4 where 19.. g5 suddenly becomes very interesting), I don't see what mental game Carlsen's supposed to be winning. He didn't scare Fabi out of the complications after Qh5, that's not the type of player Caruana is. He's extremely principled and maybe the best calculator out there right now. He wasn't scared, he simply underestimated just how good his position was and didn't manage to find all the ideas in a very complicated position (on a slightly better day, he does). If anything, the only real possible argument is that Caruana soundly won the mental battle that game. He somehow (the position wasn't anywhere close to requiring it) managed to make Carlsen play g5, a move that goes utterly against Carlsen's style. Even disregarding objective evaluations, the position they got as a result is very much to Caruana's taste and not at all to Carlsen's. Add to that the fact that Carlsen nearly managed to lose game 6 because he stubbornly tried to keep the game going instead of taking the life out of the position (plus that he hasn't managed to get any pull at all since the beginning of the match) and I don't get how you can possibly claim he's winning the mental game.
Carlsen's also definitely not playing for draws. Yes he's playing incredibly harmless lines as white (probably the biggest surprise of the match so far), but he's been offering Caruana a real fight in almost every black game and trying to keep games going even when the objective grounds for doing so are tenuous at best. Not taking very many risks isn't playing for a draw, that's just how Carlsen plays chess.
Caruana hasn't shown me anything special outside his preparation so far. When he is out of his prep he usually takes super long time for moves or plays subpar moves quickly. So I don't really see how you can call him the best calculator
I was pretty impressed by Caruana's Game 6. He made something out of nothing in an incredibly dry and drawish position (with the help of a few careless moves by Carlsen). Carlsen did end up succeeding in building a fortress (impossible to find computer line notwithstanding), but Caruana made him work real hard for it.
On November 21 2018 14:26 Orome wrote: Apart from it definitely being a mistake (an interesting take is that Carlsen simply mixed up his move orders - after 18.. f4, there's a line with Ra4 where 19.. g5 suddenly becomes very interesting), I don't see what mental game Carlsen's supposed to be winning. He didn't scare Fabi out of the complications after Qh5, that's not the type of player Caruana is. He's extremely principled and maybe the best calculator out there right now. He wasn't scared, he simply underestimated just how good his position was and didn't manage to find all the ideas in a very complicated position (on a slightly better day, he does). If anything, the only real possible argument is that Caruana soundly won the mental battle that game. He somehow (the position wasn't anywhere close to requiring it) managed to make Carlsen play g5, a move that goes utterly against Carlsen's style. Even disregarding objective evaluations, the position they got as a result is very much to Caruana's taste and not at all to Carlsen's. Add to that the fact that Carlsen nearly managed to lose game 6 because he stubbornly tried to keep the game going instead of taking the life out of the position (plus that he hasn't managed to get any pull at all since the beginning of the match) and I don't get how you can possibly claim he's winning the mental game.
Carlsen's also definitely not playing for draws. Yes he's playing incredibly harmless lines as white (probably the biggest surprise of the match so far), but he's been offering Caruana a real fight in almost every black game and trying to keep games going even when the objective grounds for doing so are tenuous at best. Not taking very many risks isn't playing for a draw, that's just how Carlsen plays chess.
Caruana hasn't shown me anything special outside his preparation so far. When he is out of his prep he usually takes super long time for moves or plays subpar moves quickly. So I don't really see how you can call him the best calculator
Based on the year he's had and the opinions top players have of him (the part about calculation's been said many times recently). He didn't win the candidates/get to his current rating by accident. I agree though that he hasn't lived up to the hype in the match so far, but then again, neither has Carlsen. Level of play's definitely been a little bit disappointing.
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