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I think that this is a very bad thing in the fact that freedom of speech isn't being given to people, but I don't understand what "gay propaganda" (as they call it) has to do with the Olympics. It's a time of competition and fun for people of all nations to watch the greatest athletes in the world. Why can't we just enjoy it?
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On August 03 2013 02:18 Zuxo wrote:
Threads like this really bring out all the bigots and assholes in the gaming community. Sad that there are so many of them :/
It also brings out a lot of the hypocrisy in the progressive side; "they're only intolerant because of fucking religion!"
Neither sides perfect, one just has the moral highground, so to speak.
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On August 03 2013 02:29 autoexec wrote:
I think that this is a very bad thing in the fact that freedom of speech isn't being given to people, but I don't understand what "gay propaganda" (as they call it) has to do with the Olympics. It's a time of competition and fun for people of all nations to watch the greatest athletes in the world. Why can't we just enjoy it?
True the olympics are suppose to be anything but political but it's a set-up ripe for nationalism and thus political tensions
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On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc.
What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law?
On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes?
2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do?
I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women.
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On August 03 2013 01:58 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:33 Shiragaku wrote:On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? I am guessing he is going to say something along the lines of "They are demanding special rights" or "There are bigger problems out there." It is our overall plan to take over the world and subjugate those dirty heterosexuals after all. And rape them. Because it is a known fact that all homosexuals do all day long is raping heteros whenever they get the chance. Also turn all the children gay with the gay rays.
It's funny to us, but it's scary that this is essentially the exact belief a lot of people hold. It's even funnier when they try to sound rational and say things like "I am not intolerant as long as they stay the hell away from me, don't mess with our children". There have been some gay pride "parades" recently, so there has been a huge turmoil about this issue in my country, so I've read some comments under the articles on a popular news site and I honestly wasn't aware how extreme it gets.
Comments which were basically saying "gays should never be able to adopt children because they will clearly affect them and mess them up psychologically with their way of life" were getting like 20 thumb ups and 0 thumb downs and similar numbers were consistent on every similar ignorant comment unless someone said something even more completely mind-numbingly stupid (though even comments which threatened violence were thumbed up in about 9 out of 10 ratio). I know it's not exactly an accurate way to judge the public opinion, but on some other "discussions" I've observed there's usually some kind of divide.. In this case 95-99% were literally making completely uneducated and unsubstantiated nonsense based only on their ignorant worldview and nothing else, of course, and getting support. Similar to the poster above, any kind of statistic regarding the matter from US (what happens to adopted children when they grow up in same sex couple families etc.), for example, is regarded as "liberal propaganda".
It really is fucking sad.
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On August 03 2013 02:29 autoexec wrote:
I think that this is a very bad thing in the fact that freedom of speech isn't being given to people, but I don't understand what "gay propaganda" (as they call it) has to do with the Olympics. It's a time of competition and fun for people of all nations to watch the greatest athletes in the world. Why can't we just enjoy it?
The Olympics can be an excellent plattform for athletes to voice their opinion and protest against grievances and discrimination. Also, whether you like it or not, the Olympics are always political and not just a sport event people can enjoy
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Indeed dont worry. Lack of education and awareness can be solved by... Education and awareness. I'll never fully understand same sex attraction and I might never get used to see two men kissing in the street but I respect their choice and I can only be impressed at how fiercely they strugtle to reach equal treatment. Luckily things are moving ahead in most parts of the world(?). It is only a matter of time until the rest catches up.
Putin is most likely a smart person altough he's corrupt and in line with private and/or religious interests. Once his electorate is better educated and has a different views on such topics as gay and women rights or just plain out respect, he will most likely correct his politic agenda.
You can stop a wave but you cant stop the tide.
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On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women.
In some portions of the US, Gay sex is actually illegal through sodomy laws.
Also if you want a Russian example, Police have been known to ignore/not prosecute crimes committed against gays.
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On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women.
The difference is (informed) consent and you've been on this site long enough to know that, so I assume you're being wilfully offensive.
And if you're asking the difference between a straight and gay person, you've not read the op or anything
In short, please engage your brain before typing such tripe.
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On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women.
I don't think that "normal" is really relevant when sexuality is concerned. Or actually, ever. Why is it relevant if what someone does is the same that everyone else does, as long as it does not hurt anyone? There are situations where it is blurry if someone is hurt or not, and then there are obvious ones.
A pedophile can probably not do anything about feeling attracted to children, and as long as it stays at that it is not problematic. It only becomes problematic if he wants to act on that attraction, and then only because that hurts the children.
On the other hand, a gay person can have gay sex without hurting anyone, because the other person involved is a consenting adult too. Thus, while the impulse situation might be similar (and is actually similar to heterosexuals to, as noone can choose who he is attracted to), as soon as it comes to actually acting on that impulse the two are widely different.
And yes, gay people are allowed to marry someone of the opposite sex, but they are not allowed to marry the person they want to marry (at least in most places), which is the relevant thing here.
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On August 03 2013 02:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women. The difference is (informed) consent and you've been on this site long enough to know that, so I assume you're being wilfully offensive. And if you're asking the difference between a straight and gay person, you've not read the op or anything In short, please engage your brain before typing such tripe.
No I'm asking why the media is trying to label being gay as a good thing while labeling pedophiles as a evil. Because I just pointed out, there's no difference.
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“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable.
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I doubt the media is trying to label gay as "good", just as equal. I don't think any sexuality is "good", it just...is.
And there is a difference. It is what happens if you act on those impulses. If a pedophile acts on his attractions, he hurts a child. If a homosexual acts on his attractions, nothing bad happens. Thus, there is a difference.
If a pedophile can not control who he is attracted to, he will still realize that acting on that attraction is a bad thing, and ethically wrong, because he would hurt a child. Thus, being a pedophile is not bad, it is probably a pretty hard situation to be in. Being a practicing pedophile on the other hand IS bad.
While being a practicing homosexual hurts noone, and thus is not bad. As a result, there is no reason to put the homosexual through the hardship of denying his sexuality and having to control his impulses when there is no negative result to acting on that attraction.
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On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable.
Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory.
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On August 03 2013 02:46 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women. The difference is (informed) consent and you've been on this site long enough to know that, so I assume you're being wilfully offensive. And if you're asking the difference between a straight and gay person, you've not read the op or anything In short, please engage your brain before typing such tripe. No I'm asking why the media is trying to label being gay as a good thing while labeling pedophiles as a evil. Because I just pointed out, there's no difference.
And as I and several others have pointed out there's a massive difference. Please check your ignorance in at the door
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On August 03 2013 02:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:46 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women. The difference is (informed) consent and you've been on this site long enough to know that, so I assume you're being wilfully offensive. And if you're asking the difference between a straight and gay person, you've not read the op or anything In short, please engage your brain before typing such tripe. No I'm asking why the media is trying to label being gay as a good thing while labeling pedophiles as a evil. Because I just pointed out, there's no difference. And as I and several others have pointed out there's a massive difference. Please check your ignorance in at the door
No, all you did is insult people and tell them to educate themselves... stop posting shit.
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On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable.
Which in a society means it prohibits being gay. If you cannot portray being gay as positive or even normal then you effectively make it illegal in the public eye, yet it's fine to portray being gay as evil/bad/wrong etc. Yeah it doesn't say being gay is illegal, it just saying if you're gay you're dead to society shut up and disappear from our view.
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On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory.
There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia.
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On August 03 2013 02:46 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women. The difference is (informed) consent and you've been on this site long enough to know that, so I assume you're being wilfully offensive. And if you're asking the difference between a straight and gay person, you've not read the op or anything In short, please engage your brain before typing such tripe. No I'm asking why the media is trying to label being gay as a good thing while labeling pedophiles as a evil. Because I just pointed out, there's no difference.
There is a difference though. Even if a pedophile doesn't break the law regarding the age of consent, their sexual preference is for people who could never give that age of consent.
Besides, to say being gay is the same thing as being a pedophile is a deliberately inflammatory thing to say. The same could be said of straight people, surely.
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On August 03 2013 02:55 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:54 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:46 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women. The difference is (informed) consent and you've been on this site long enough to know that, so I assume you're being wilfully offensive. And if you're asking the difference between a straight and gay person, you've not read the op or anything In short, please engage your brain before typing such tripe. No I'm asking why the media is trying to label being gay as a good thing while labeling pedophiles as a evil. Because I just pointed out, there's no difference. And as I and several others have pointed out there's a massive difference. Please check your ignorance in at the door No, all you did is insult people and tell them to educate themselves... stop posting shit.
Forgive me if I'm not rainbows and flowers to someone telling me pedophilia and homosexuality are the same.
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