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Can't you now get in trouble for holding hands with the person you love in public?
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On August 03 2013 02:39 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women. In some portions of the US, Gay sex is actually illegal through sodomy laws. Also if you want a Russian example, Police have been known to ignore/not prosecute crimes committed against gays. Those in the US are the once in a life time enforced laws usually made long ago usually in the 1800's, similar to how in Virginia it's illegal for an unmarried woman to live in the same place as an unmarried man, although that law is sometimes used to kick bad tenant out. The problem with US laws is that once they are on the books it takes alot to take them off even when they become archaic often they are just ignored even though they are still on the books.
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On August 03 2013 02:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:55 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:54 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:46 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women. The difference is (informed) consent and you've been on this site long enough to know that, so I assume you're being wilfully offensive. And if you're asking the difference between a straight and gay person, you've not read the op or anything In short, please engage your brain before typing such tripe. No I'm asking why the media is trying to label being gay as a good thing while labeling pedophiles as a evil. Because I just pointed out, there's no difference. And as I and several others have pointed out there's a massive difference. Please check your ignorance in at the door No, all you did is insult people and tell them to educate themselves... stop posting shit. Forgive me if I'm not rainbows and flowers to someone telling me pedophilia and homosexuality are the same.
So you admit you're full of shit and didn't actually point out anything. Glad we cleared that up. It's ok, I forgive you since I'm not really surprised by this coming from you, just make sure it doesn't happen again.
P.S. someone using an abstracted argument involving pedophelia to point out fallacious arguments doesn't mean they condone pedophelia(being the same as homosexuality was never stipulated, only in regards to the portrayal). Reprimanding someone as such is purposeful dishonesty or being an idiot.
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On August 03 2013 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory. There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia.
just because there are worse laws, doesnt mean that people should criticize this particular law in russia.
if you want, you can point out some of the laws you hate the most and i will bash them for you.
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On August 03 2013 03:02 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:59 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:55 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:54 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:46 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women. The difference is (informed) consent and you've been on this site long enough to know that, so I assume you're being wilfully offensive. And if you're asking the difference between a straight and gay person, you've not read the op or anything In short, please engage your brain before typing such tripe. No I'm asking why the media is trying to label being gay as a good thing while labeling pedophiles as a evil. Because I just pointed out, there's no difference. And as I and several others have pointed out there's a massive difference. Please check your ignorance in at the door No, all you did is insult people and tell them to educate themselves... stop posting shit. Forgive me if I'm not rainbows and flowers to someone telling me pedophilia and homosexuality are the same. So you admit you're full of shit and didn't actually point out anything. Glad we cleared that up. It's ok, I forgive you since I'm not really surprised by this coming from you, just make sure it doesn't happen again.
I quite clearly pointed out that the difference is informed consent. At this stage it's clear you have problems with basic reading. Go on, go back and look.
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On August 03 2013 03:02 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory. There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia. just because there are worse laws, doesnt mean that people should criticize this particular law in russia. if you want, you can point out some of the laws you hate the most and i will bash them for you.
I never said anything about criticizing, everyone can criticize whatever they want, and it's perfectly right to criticize this. A lot of this thread talks about boycotting, or international pressure for them to change the law, I'm pointing out a lot of people have no moral ground to be making such demands when they have even worse laws at home.
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On August 03 2013 03:08 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:02 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory. There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia. just because there are worse laws, doesnt mean that people should criticize this particular law in russia. if you want, you can point out some of the laws you hate the most and i will bash them for you. I never said anything about criticizing, everyone can criticize whatever they want, and it's perfectly right to criticize this. A lot of this thread talks about boycotting, or international pressure for them to change the law, I'm pointing out a lot of people have no moral ground to be making such demands when they have even worse laws at home.
So because hypocrisy is a thing fuck progress anywhere? Anyways the subject is about LGBT communities and thus the laws particular to the LGBT community there aren't many worse laws out of the nations complaining. Plus Russia as the sweet sauce of being particular violent against the LGBT community and then not punishing those people committing acts of violence.
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On August 03 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:02 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:59 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:55 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:54 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:46 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women. The difference is (informed) consent and you've been on this site long enough to know that, so I assume you're being wilfully offensive. And if you're asking the difference between a straight and gay person, you've not read the op or anything In short, please engage your brain before typing such tripe. No I'm asking why the media is trying to label being gay as a good thing while labeling pedophiles as a evil. Because I just pointed out, there's no difference. And as I and several others have pointed out there's a massive difference. Please check your ignorance in at the door No, all you did is insult people and tell them to educate themselves... stop posting shit. Forgive me if I'm not rainbows and flowers to someone telling me pedophilia and homosexuality are the same. So you admit you're full of shit and didn't actually point out anything. Glad we cleared that up. It's ok, I forgive you since I'm not really surprised by this coming from you, just make sure it doesn't happen again. I quite clearly pointed out that the difference is informed consent. At this stage it's clear you have problems with basic reading. Go on, go back and look.
You said the difference is informed consent for gay vs straight. You can't be serious right now....
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On August 03 2013 02:56 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Which in a society means it prohibits being gay. If you cannot portray being gay as positive or even normal then you effectively make it illegal in the public eye, yet it's fine to portray being gay as evil/bad/wrong etc. Yeah it doesn't say being gay is illegal, it just saying if you're gay you're dead to society shut up and disappear from our view.
It's saying if you're gay, keep it to yourself. No one wants to know. They're not in gay people's bedrooms policing them or sending them to mental institutions. So I disagree that they're prohibiting people from being gay.
On August 03 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:02 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:59 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:55 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:54 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:46 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 02:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 02:33 T.O.P. wrote:On August 03 2013 01:32 MidKnight wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. Unfortunately homosexuals/transgender people are all grouped into the same "pedophiles/zoophiles" group and they all "need mental help and stay away from our children" etc. What's the difference between homosexuals and the above 2 groups? They're all sexual preferences. If being gay is normal then can being a pedophile can be considered normal as long as they don't violate the age of consent law? On August 03 2013 01:31 marvellosity wrote:On August 03 2013 01:23 theballzack wrote:
Thank god Russia is standing up to the gays. Most people are blind to what is happening because of all the propaganda constantly bombarding you about supporting gay rights and marriage but they are slowly seeping into American culture and taking masculinity out of the norm. People need to understand that it is not normal to be gay, it is normal to be straight but the line is being severely blurred. American men are already facing a lot of social issues and i hope that other countries take Russia's hint on these gay issues and take them out of the media. So your stance is that gays should be treated like 2nd class citizens, yes? 2nd class citizens? What aren't gays allowed to do that straight men can do? I'm anticipating marriage, but gay men are allowed to marry women. The difference is (informed) consent and you've been on this site long enough to know that, so I assume you're being wilfully offensive. And if you're asking the difference between a straight and gay person, you've not read the op or anything In short, please engage your brain before typing such tripe. No I'm asking why the media is trying to label being gay as a good thing while labeling pedophiles as a evil. Because I just pointed out, there's no difference. And as I and several others have pointed out there's a massive difference. Please check your ignorance in at the door No, all you did is insult people and tell them to educate themselves... stop posting shit. Forgive me if I'm not rainbows and flowers to someone telling me pedophilia and homosexuality are the same. So you admit you're full of shit and didn't actually point out anything. Glad we cleared that up. It's ok, I forgive you since I'm not really surprised by this coming from you, just make sure it doesn't happen again. I quite clearly pointed out that the difference is informed consent. At this stage it's clear you have problems with basic reading. Go on, go back and look.
I brought up the example of a pedophile not violating age of consent laws. Suppose the pedophile only masturbates to drawings. So what's the difference? Both deviate away from typical sexual norms.
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On August 03 2013 03:11 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:08 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:02 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory. There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia. just because there are worse laws, doesnt mean that people should criticize this particular law in russia. if you want, you can point out some of the laws you hate the most and i will bash them for you. I never said anything about criticizing, everyone can criticize whatever they want, and it's perfectly right to criticize this. A lot of this thread talks about boycotting, or international pressure for them to change the law, I'm pointing out a lot of people have no moral ground to be making such demands when they have even worse laws at home. So because hypocrisy is a thing fuck progress anywhere? Anyways the subject is about LGBT communities and thus the laws particular to the LGBT community there aren't many worse laws out of the nations complaining. Plus Russia as the sweet sauce of being particular violent against the LGBT community and then not punishing those people committing acts of violence.
Umm we're posting on an internet forum. There is no progress here, only hypocrisy.
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Russia is a pretty racist country. I don't know people are surprised about this. This kind of stuff is pretty typical down there and it's just embarrassing that a modern country like Russia is still like this in this time of age.
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On August 03 2013 03:14 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:11 semantics wrote:On August 03 2013 03:08 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:02 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory. There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia. just because there are worse laws, doesnt mean that people should criticize this particular law in russia. if you want, you can point out some of the laws you hate the most and i will bash them for you. I never said anything about criticizing, everyone can criticize whatever they want, and it's perfectly right to criticize this. A lot of this thread talks about boycotting, or international pressure for them to change the law, I'm pointing out a lot of people have no moral ground to be making such demands when they have even worse laws at home. So because hypocrisy is a thing fuck progress anywhere? Anyways the subject is about LGBT communities and thus the laws particular to the LGBT community there aren't many worse laws out of the nations complaining. Plus Russia as the sweet sauce of being particular violent against the LGBT community and then not punishing those people committing acts of violence. Umm we're posting on an internet forum. There is no progress here, only hypocrisy.
So then why are you even posting?
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No, I didn't. There were 2 parts of his post and I responded to both. This shouldn't be so hard.
At the very least it's interesting you tried to pull me up earlier in the thread, them every single other respondent disagreed with you.
Then you're fine with the guy equating homosexuality and pedophilia, but repeatedly attack the person pulling him up on it.
Then you keep making this fallacious argument about gay rights elsewhere in the world.
Pretty clear what your agenda is in this thread.
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On August 03 2013 03:16 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:14 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:11 semantics wrote:On August 03 2013 03:08 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:02 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory. There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia. just because there are worse laws, doesnt mean that people should criticize this particular law in russia. if you want, you can point out some of the laws you hate the most and i will bash them for you. I never said anything about criticizing, everyone can criticize whatever they want, and it's perfectly right to criticize this. A lot of this thread talks about boycotting, or international pressure for them to change the law, I'm pointing out a lot of people have no moral ground to be making such demands when they have even worse laws at home. So because hypocrisy is a thing fuck progress anywhere? Anyways the subject is about LGBT communities and thus the laws particular to the LGBT community there aren't many worse laws out of the nations complaining. Plus Russia as the sweet sauce of being particular violent against the LGBT community and then not punishing those people committing acts of violence. Umm we're posting on an internet forum. There is no progress here, only hypocrisy. So then why are you even posting?
Only because I do not like seeing hypocrisy.
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On August 03 2013 03:18 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:16 farvacola wrote:On August 03 2013 03:14 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:11 semantics wrote:On August 03 2013 03:08 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:02 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory. There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia. just because there are worse laws, doesnt mean that people should criticize this particular law in russia. if you want, you can point out some of the laws you hate the most and i will bash them for you. I never said anything about criticizing, everyone can criticize whatever they want, and it's perfectly right to criticize this. A lot of this thread talks about boycotting, or international pressure for them to change the law, I'm pointing out a lot of people have no moral ground to be making such demands when they have even worse laws at home. So because hypocrisy is a thing fuck progress anywhere? Anyways the subject is about LGBT communities and thus the laws particular to the LGBT community there aren't many worse laws out of the nations complaining. Plus Russia as the sweet sauce of being particular violent against the LGBT community and then not punishing those people committing acts of violence. Umm we're posting on an internet forum. There is no progress here, only hypocrisy. So then why are you even posting? Only because I do not like seeing hypocrisy.
But you've already said that there can be no progress, only hypocrisy. Is this a tacit admission that you are being a hypocrite?
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On August 03 2013 03:18 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:16 farvacola wrote:On August 03 2013 03:14 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:11 semantics wrote:On August 03 2013 03:08 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:02 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory. There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia. just because there are worse laws, doesnt mean that people should criticize this particular law in russia. if you want, you can point out some of the laws you hate the most and i will bash them for you. I never said anything about criticizing, everyone can criticize whatever they want, and it's perfectly right to criticize this. A lot of this thread talks about boycotting, or international pressure for them to change the law, I'm pointing out a lot of people have no moral ground to be making such demands when they have even worse laws at home. So because hypocrisy is a thing fuck progress anywhere? Anyways the subject is about LGBT communities and thus the laws particular to the LGBT community there aren't many worse laws out of the nations complaining. Plus Russia as the sweet sauce of being particular violent against the LGBT community and then not punishing those people committing acts of violence. Umm we're posting on an internet forum. There is no progress here, only hypocrisy. So then why are you even posting? Only because I do not like seeing hypocrisy.
Contributing to hypocricy because you dont like hypocrisy is hyprocitical
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On August 03 2013 03:14 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:11 semantics wrote:On August 03 2013 03:08 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:02 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory. There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia. just because there are worse laws, doesnt mean that people should criticize this particular law in russia. if you want, you can point out some of the laws you hate the most and i will bash them for you. I never said anything about criticizing, everyone can criticize whatever they want, and it's perfectly right to criticize this. A lot of this thread talks about boycotting, or international pressure for them to change the law, I'm pointing out a lot of people have no moral ground to be making such demands when they have even worse laws at home. So because hypocrisy is a thing fuck progress anywhere? Anyways the subject is about LGBT communities and thus the laws particular to the LGBT community there aren't many worse laws out of the nations complaining. Plus Russia as the sweet sauce of being particular violent against the LGBT community and then not punishing those people committing acts of violence. Umm we're posting on an internet forum. There is no progress here, only hypocrisy.
So you didn't answer my point, what countries laws are worse then Russia's that are particular to the LGBT community and are from the counties in which people are complaining about it?
On August 03 2013 03:18 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 03:16 farvacola wrote:On August 03 2013 03:14 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:11 semantics wrote:On August 03 2013 03:08 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 03:02 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:56 Feartheguru wrote:On August 03 2013 02:51 Paljas wrote:On August 03 2013 02:48 T.O.P. wrote:
“The corresponding law doesn't forbid non-traditional orientation, but other things: propaganda, involvement of minors and the youth.”
What the law prohibits is not that you can't be gay. It just says you can't advertise that being gay is acceptable. Yes. An such law is not only dumb, but also discriminatory. There are laws in many countries far worse than that, including many U.S. states, why does the rest of the world get to impose their morals on Russia. just because there are worse laws, doesnt mean that people should criticize this particular law in russia. if you want, you can point out some of the laws you hate the most and i will bash them for you. I never said anything about criticizing, everyone can criticize whatever they want, and it's perfectly right to criticize this. A lot of this thread talks about boycotting, or international pressure for them to change the law, I'm pointing out a lot of people have no moral ground to be making such demands when they have even worse laws at home. So because hypocrisy is a thing fuck progress anywhere? Anyways the subject is about LGBT communities and thus the laws particular to the LGBT community there aren't many worse laws out of the nations complaining. Plus Russia as the sweet sauce of being particular violent against the LGBT community and then not punishing those people committing acts of violence. Umm we're posting on an internet forum. There is no progress here, only hypocrisy. So then why are you even posting? Only because I do not like seeing hypocrisy.
So you say nothing will change because it's the Internet so you'll try to change things on the Internet. Unless all you want to do is rage against hypocrisy on the Internet without any intention of changing things.
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On August 03 2013 03:16 marvellosity wrote:
No, I didn't. There were 2 parts of his post and I responded to both. This shouldn't be so hard.
At the very least it's interesting you tried to pull me up earlier in the thread, them every single other respondent disagreed with you.
Then you're fine with the guy equating homosexuality and pedophilia, but repeatedly attack the person pulling him up on it.
Then you keep making this fallacious argument about gay rights elsewhere in the world.
Pretty clear what your agenda is in this thread.
Earlier in the thread amounted to 3 people making the same assumptions and me telling you guys its not necessarily true.
Don't add ad populum to your list of problems.
I'm fine with the guy equating? Ya, cause his argument was made to point out inconsistent arguments in this thread. Then I attack you for pulling him up on it cause what you say makes no sense and deserve to be called out. I have not made a single comment regarding my beliefs (and believe it or not I am extremely socially liberal).
I'm glad my agenda is clear, too bad I can't clear your shit fast enough.
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