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On November 29 2019 04:05 Melliflue wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2019 18:47 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 28 2019 18:07 Melliflue wrote:On November 28 2019 08:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 28 2019 08:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Urgh the faint colours are so faint. Hurts my eyes just looking at it. Does this pollster do not hire proper artists?
Anyways, there's no point posting polls. We will know the result when the election is done. We all know how the election is going to go, at least in terms of who is Prime Minister, don’t need polls for that. People are going to elect the Tories and then sit whinging about all the things that are directly attributable to Tory policy. Because they won't know it is directly attributable to Tory policy. Our media is horrendous on politics.The Guardian and The Mirror are pro-Labour but they have a combined circulation under 650,000. Meanwhile, The Mail, The Sun, The Express, and The Telegraph are pro-Tory and they have a combined circulation of over 3.3 million. The BBC is scared of being criticised as biased towards Labour so they get pulled towards pro-Tory by the newspapers. For example: A chief rabbi talks about anti-semitism in Labour and it was front page news for the pro-Tory papers and became the lead story on the BBC. The Muslim Council of Britain talks about Islamaphobia in the Tories and it got buried. The newspapers also set the tone for the reaction to the manifestos. The reaction to Labour was all about increasing taxes, but the reaction to the Tories focused on where the money was going, such as extra nurses. While I agree on how those things are slanted, absolutely, that said I find the media’s role in all this to be a tad overrated. The Tory’s record on austerity and the NHS is plain to see, Boris’ personal record on lies on the topic is plain to see unless one has the memory of a goldfish. People wanting their cake and eating it too is a part of the problem too and if it isn’t the media it’s ‘out of touch politicians’ who blame for the state of our politics is outsourced to. People want the NHS maintained but don’t want to pay for it being a prime case in point. It is very difficult to know how much influential the media is because there is no control to compare to. You say the Tory's record on the NHS is plain to see, as is Boris's personal record on lies, but why/how are they plain to see? How do you know the Tories' record on the NHS? For years some newspapers have been blaming the struggles of our public services on immigration. I think there are many people who are not as well-informed about the state of the country as you are, because they are not getting information from similar sources as you. Their sources have been telling them for years that austerity was not the problem, but instead it was immigration. The story may have changed over the last year or two but it is one example of how mis-informed people can be.
The 'sources' in question are 'listening to the Tories talk' and 'listening to Boris Johnson talk' and 'paying attention at all in the last several decades'.
You are correct that most people don't play attention though.
Boris Johnson's record as a fucking liar exists from him opening his mouth and uttering words
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On December 10 2019 22:04 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2019 04:05 Melliflue wrote:On November 28 2019 18:47 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 28 2019 18:07 Melliflue wrote:On November 28 2019 08:07 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 28 2019 08:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Urgh the faint colours are so faint. Hurts my eyes just looking at it. Does this pollster do not hire proper artists?
Anyways, there's no point posting polls. We will know the result when the election is done. We all know how the election is going to go, at least in terms of who is Prime Minister, don’t need polls for that. People are going to elect the Tories and then sit whinging about all the things that are directly attributable to Tory policy. Because they won't know it is directly attributable to Tory policy. Our media is horrendous on politics.The Guardian and The Mirror are pro-Labour but they have a combined circulation under 650,000. Meanwhile, The Mail, The Sun, The Express, and The Telegraph are pro-Tory and they have a combined circulation of over 3.3 million. The BBC is scared of being criticised as biased towards Labour so they get pulled towards pro-Tory by the newspapers. For example: A chief rabbi talks about anti-semitism in Labour and it was front page news for the pro-Tory papers and became the lead story on the BBC. The Muslim Council of Britain talks about Islamaphobia in the Tories and it got buried. The newspapers also set the tone for the reaction to the manifestos. The reaction to Labour was all about increasing taxes, but the reaction to the Tories focused on where the money was going, such as extra nurses. While I agree on how those things are slanted, absolutely, that said I find the media’s role in all this to be a tad overrated. The Tory’s record on austerity and the NHS is plain to see, Boris’ personal record on lies on the topic is plain to see unless one has the memory of a goldfish. People wanting their cake and eating it too is a part of the problem too and if it isn’t the media it’s ‘out of touch politicians’ who blame for the state of our politics is outsourced to. People want the NHS maintained but don’t want to pay for it being a prime case in point. It is very difficult to know how much influential the media is because there is no control to compare to. You say the Tory's record on the NHS is plain to see, as is Boris's personal record on lies, but why/how are they plain to see? How do you know the Tories' record on the NHS? For years some newspapers have been blaming the struggles of our public services on immigration. I think there are many people who are not as well-informed about the state of the country as you are, because they are not getting information from similar sources as you. Their sources have been telling them for years that austerity was not the problem, but instead it was immigration. The story may have changed over the last year or two but it is one example of how mis-informed people can be. The 'sources' in question are 'listening to the Tories talk' and 'listening to Boris Johnson talk' and 'paying attention at all in the last several decades'. You are correct that most people don't play attention though. Boris Johnson's record as a fucking liar exists from him opening his mouth and uttering words
Or the multitude of people from affected services who work in said services.
Be it the NHS, homelessness or crime specific cuts due to austerity are brought up with great frequency.
Had a rather ‘lively’ discussion in the pub last night while waiting at the bar when the guy next to me said we needed the Tories to get in to save the NHS.
Which he somehow still believed after said discussion. Bizarre to me really.
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United Kingdom10011 Posts
So how about this General Election then guys?
Anything noteworthy happening other than our Prime Minister hiding in a fridge from a journalist?
Feels to me like the overall mood is one of utter exasperation and dismay at the clowns we have to choose from.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On December 12 2019 05:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
So how about this General Election then guys?
Anything noteworthy happening other than our Prime Minister hiding in a fridge from a journalist?
Feels to me like the overall mood is one of utter exasperation and dismay at the clowns we have to choose from.
Too depressing to think about really.
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If Corbyn wins this any of you lads gets a drink if you come to Romandy this year (well, 2020)
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I hope my friends who were planning to visit next year wont need a letter of invitation. That's all.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On December 12 2019 06:02 Nebuchad wrote:
If Corbyn wins this any of you lads gets a drink if you come to Romandy this year (well, 2020)
I might make it by 2021 can I still hold you to your offer?
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On December 12 2019 06:02 Nebuchad wrote:
If Corbyn wins this any of you lads gets a drink if you come to Romandy this year (well, 2020)
My fiancée and I will almost certainly be traveling to the UK sometime in the next year or two, so extend your offer by one year and I accept 
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Add Sanders after Corbyn and make it a lifetime offer
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On December 12 2019 07:07 Nebuchad wrote:
Add Sanders after Corbyn and make it a lifetime offer
Denied. If that double header delivers I’ll be long dead from drinking champagne so won’t be able to claim any prize
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We will know what parliament looks like tomorrow. Doesn't bear thinking about if the Conservatives form a majority. I would guess hiding all of the awful people in senior government and refusing interviews have worked.
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Good luck, Britain. You need it.
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I just got canvassed on my front door. I guess my constituency is hotly contested. Got handed a leaflet that had "don't risk letting in Corbyn's candidate" in big red letters, by an elderly man. He asked if I had voted yet and I said yes, we can't risk letting in the Conservatives, and then we shared moment of awkward silence. He nodded, said "fair enough" and left. Strange times.
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20 minutes till we get a first glimpse of what is to come.
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368 Tories
191 Labour
According to exit polls
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
That is biggest exit poll i have ever seen in my life time, holy smokes Conservatives walk it...even if that isn't the case and they were -10 on that exit poll they are still crazy ahead.
If this Exit poll is wrong, it is going to be the biggest wrong exit poll ever haha.
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This is what happens when the oppositions position on the most important choice in god knows how long is "I donno, give us power and we will ask you".
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