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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43505 Posts
December 12 2019 22:41 GMT
#11441
Terrible result. Affirms everything I’ve said about Corbyn but I didn’t want to be right.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
December 12 2019 22:46 GMT
#11442
In 2017 Labour did much better than now, because it wasn't all about Brexit. So they got to talk about the NHS, railways, inequality, wages, etc - all the stuff that appeals to both many young voters as well as core older voters. But this time it really has been a Brexit election and Labour has been reduced accordingly.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22064 Posts
December 12 2019 22:49 GMT
#11443
On December 13 2019 07:37 Pandemona wrote:
I don't think in reality Boris thinks about that, right now he wants to be the PM in the history books that took the UK out of EU after that, i think he will be done. I hope we get some changes to everything because its a bit weird how everything works right now in terms of benefits mainly towards those with children and trying to balance work and child care. Then the other major issue is trying to fix the broken NHS which is just straight up broken from top to bottom due to vast money needed and sheer number of people in the country now using it.
fixing the NHS is going to be a lot harder after Boris sells it out to US interests.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23592 Posts
December 12 2019 22:52 GMT
#11444
On December 13 2019 07:49 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2019 07:37 Pandemona wrote:
I don't think in reality Boris thinks about that, right now he wants to be the PM in the history books that took the UK out of EU after that, i think he will be done. I hope we get some changes to everything because its a bit weird how everything works right now in terms of benefits mainly towards those with children and trying to balance work and child care. Then the other major issue is trying to fix the broken NHS which is just straight up broken from top to bottom due to vast money needed and sheer number of people in the country now using it.
fixing the NHS is going to be a lot harder after Boris sells it out to US interests.


They'll love having their healthcare contingent on US interests, or learn to, that is the way.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
December 12 2019 22:53 GMT
#11445
On December 13 2019 07:49 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2019 07:37 Pandemona wrote:
I don't think in reality Boris thinks about that, right now he wants to be the PM in the history books that took the UK out of EU after that, i think he will be done. I hope we get some changes to everything because its a bit weird how everything works right now in terms of benefits mainly towards those with children and trying to balance work and child care. Then the other major issue is trying to fix the broken NHS which is just straight up broken from top to bottom due to vast money needed and sheer number of people in the country now using it.
fixing the NHS is going to be a lot harder after Boris sells it out to US interests.

Yeah well, same people who voted the Tories will be the ones complaining most vociferously down the line after they fucked over the rest of us.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
December 12 2019 22:57 GMT
#11446
On December 13 2019 07:53 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2019 07:49 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 13 2019 07:37 Pandemona wrote:
I don't think in reality Boris thinks about that, right now he wants to be the PM in the history books that took the UK out of EU after that, i think he will be done. I hope we get some changes to everything because its a bit weird how everything works right now in terms of benefits mainly towards those with children and trying to balance work and child care. Then the other major issue is trying to fix the broken NHS which is just straight up broken from top to bottom due to vast money needed and sheer number of people in the country now using it.
fixing the NHS is going to be a lot harder after Boris sells it out to US interests.

Yeah well, same people who voted the Tories will be the ones complaining most vociferously down the line after they fucked over the rest of us.

foreigners and other undesirables will still be around to scapegoat
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
December 12 2019 22:58 GMT
#11447
On December 13 2019 07:57 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2019 07:53 Wombat_NI wrote:
On December 13 2019 07:49 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 13 2019 07:37 Pandemona wrote:
I don't think in reality Boris thinks about that, right now he wants to be the PM in the history books that took the UK out of EU after that, i think he will be done. I hope we get some changes to everything because its a bit weird how everything works right now in terms of benefits mainly towards those with children and trying to balance work and child care. Then the other major issue is trying to fix the broken NHS which is just straight up broken from top to bottom due to vast money needed and sheer number of people in the country now using it.
fixing the NHS is going to be a lot harder after Boris sells it out to US interests.

Yeah well, same people who voted the Tories will be the ones complaining most vociferously down the line after they fucked over the rest of us.

foreigners and other undesirables will still be around to scapegoat

Aye in perpetuity, although at least the ‘Brussels bureaucrats’ will cease to be a viable deflecting tactic in future.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Maverick_2009
Profile Joined December 2014
Somewhere2002 Posts
December 12 2019 23:00 GMT
#11448
dont you just love single-issue (general) elections? i certainly wouldnt be surprised if the tories end up going with increased austerity if they get a majority and get the deal through just because the economy will dip in the short-term
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
December 12 2019 23:06 GMT
#11449
nah I think even this tory govt would have the sense to pump money into public services to dampen the shock of brexit
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
December 12 2019 23:07 GMT
#11450
Let’s hope you’re right, the alternative sounds awful.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
December 12 2019 23:09 GMT
#11451
On December 13 2019 08:06 ahswtini wrote:
nah I think even this tory govt would have the sense to pump money into public services to dampen the shock of brexit

Well they’ll probably bump spending up to non-austerity levels which will be framed as a boost, I’d imagine.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
December 12 2019 23:13 GMT
#11452
Holy shit. I'm so sorry UK folks. I know a lot of you didn't want this.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
December 12 2019 23:14 GMT
#11453
The only way to dampen the negative impact of Brexit is to strengthen and expand the UK’s government and its programs, which is gonna put conservatives in quite the pickle on a continuing basis.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23592 Posts
December 12 2019 23:17 GMT
#11454
On December 13 2019 08:14 farvacola wrote:
The only way to dampen the negative impact of Brexit is to strengthen and expand the UK’s government and its programs, which is gonna put conservatives in quite the pickle on a continuing basis.


Something (mostly history) tells me they are going to go the other way and restrict who is eligible, likely around the continued othering of marginalized people.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
December 12 2019 23:19 GMT
#11455
A good result but I hope the snp sweep of Scotland is incorrect bad for the union
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15731 Posts
December 12 2019 23:19 GMT
#11456
I blame Corbyn. He is among the highest of shit-tier opposition leaders I have ever seen.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
December 12 2019 23:21 GMT
#11457
On December 13 2019 08:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2019 08:14 farvacola wrote:
The only way to dampen the negative impact of Brexit is to strengthen and expand the UK’s government and its programs, which is gonna put conservatives in quite the pickle on a continuing basis.


Something (mostly history) tells me they are going to go the other way and restrict who is eligible, likely around the continued othering of marginalized people.

Always prepare for others to make the wrong choice, but hope for the best in the meanwhile!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
December 12 2019 23:27 GMT
#11458
On December 13 2019 08:19 Zaros wrote:
A good result but I hope the snp sweep of Scotland is incorrect bad for the union

Is the Union even a factor any more?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
December 12 2019 23:28 GMT
#11459
I can't see Scotland staying if the polls are accurate
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23592 Posts
December 12 2019 23:30 GMT
#11460
On December 13 2019 08:21 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2019 08:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 13 2019 08:14 farvacola wrote:
The only way to dampen the negative impact of Brexit is to strengthen and expand the UK’s government and its programs, which is gonna put conservatives in quite the pickle on a continuing basis.


Something (mostly history) tells me they are going to go the other way and restrict who is eligible, likely around the continued othering of marginalized people.

Always prepare for others to make the wrong choice, but hope for the best in the meanwhile!

I hear a lot about that kinda hope and very little about it's value, practical or otherwise. That kinda hope is fine for the outcome of a TV series or football game, but I don't think that kind of hope has much value in situations like this.

Revolutionary optimism, sure. "Hope for the best" hope is mostly an empty platitude to me.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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