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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On December 13 2019 08:30 farvacola wrote: Scotland is leaving, that’s what folks voted for. Remains to be seen how everything plays out. Northern Ireland too is also dicey. We voted to Remain and despite absolutely despising them, Boris royally fucked the DUP with his deal too. Granted this was specifically with the prospect of a No Deal Brexit as opposed to a reasonable deal/remaining in the EU. Such a prospect in polling both pushed Scotland over the line into pro-independence, and Northern Ireland into being in favour of a United Ireland. That was a while ago mind, but we’ll see how it goes. The irony is the nationalist flag waving types seem to be the ones who don’t give a solitary fuck about the Union, it’s a very English strain of nationalism. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On December 13 2019 08:31 Mohdoo wrote: 55 of 59 is insane. Scotland is about to throw up 2 fingers and walk away from this dumpster fire. Well done Boris, you dunce. They won 56 in 2015 so it’s not unprecedented the union vote is split but in a referendum they still have over 50% | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Some of the British queuing spirit on display. Marked walking paths and everything is sectioned and stuff. Looks so nice. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22663 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
On December 13 2019 08:54 Lmui wrote: Labour could've run a generic inoffensive candidate, and it would've probably gone better than Corbyn. Good luck with Brexit, especially if Boris wants to do it the hard way. They would have done better if they went and got actualy against brexit. The real problem was that labor didn't have a message and was trying to have its cake and eat it too. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On December 13 2019 08:54 Lmui wrote: Labour could've run a generic inoffensive candidate, and it would've probably gone better than Corbyn. Good luck with Brexit, especially if Boris wants to do it the hard way. Would that have actually worked though? Yeah they might not get the giant ‘red Corbyn’ media smear campaign, equally who does that enthuse really amongst people who don’t normally vote? | ||
KwarK
United States44384 Posts
On December 13 2019 08:38 Zaros wrote: They won 56 in 2015 so it’s not unprecedented the union vote is split but in a referendum they still have over 50% The key issue has been England voting for dumb shit and imposing it on everyone. That has become a bigger issue in the last few years for obvious reasons. | ||
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sneakyfox
8218 Posts
On December 13 2019 08:57 Sermokala wrote: They would have done better if they went and got actualy against brexit. The real problem was that labor didn't have a message and was trying to have its cake and eat it too. There was a party with at inoffensive candidate and a clear anti-Brexit stance. It's called the Lib Dems, and their leader apparently couldn't even win her own seat. The problem is that a bunch of people has convinced themselves that Brexit has somehow been forced on the people in the UK against their will. It hasn't. A majority voted for it in 2016, and has again tonight. This is what people want. Labour's problem was that they took too serious the threat of the Lib Dems while never properly adressing why so many of their core voters outside London wants to leave the EU in the first place. Labour has quite clearly had its vision clouded by the centre-left bubble of London media people and professionals who convinced themselves that Brexit is something forced upon them by the Tories. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On December 13 2019 09:20 sneakyfox wrote: There was a party with at inoffensive candidate and a clear anti-Brexit stance. It's called the Lib Dems, and their leader apparently couldn't even win her own seat. The problem is that a bunch of people has convinced themselves that Brexit has somehow been forced on the people in the UK against their will. It hasn't. A majority voted for it in 2016, and has again tonight. This is what people want. Labour's problem was that they took too serious the threat of the Lib Dems while never properly adressing why so many of their core voters outside London wants to leave the EU in the first place. Labour has quite clearly had its vision clouded by the centre-left bubble of London media people and professionals who convinced themselves that Brexit is something forced upon them by the Tories. Well no it hasn’t. If people were so confident that the will of the people is behind Brexit there’d have been a second referendum in the interim. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
I mean you can’t do both, as they’ve discovered. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 13 2019 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote: Labour’s problems were, amongst other things trying to simultaneously placate the Brexit voting areas of its traditional heartlands while also trying to placate the staunch remain supporting elements of much of its London support. I mean you can’t do both, as they’ve discovered. Cowardly politics doesn't work in the internet age. Voters want Bernie, Trump, Boris etc | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12582 Posts
On December 13 2019 09:57 Mohdoo wrote: Cowardly politics doesn't work in the internet age. Voters want Bernie, Trump, Boris etc Corbyn's manifesto was not exactly cowardly. If you want cowardly, look at who they'll put in charge of Labour next. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 13 2019 10:06 Nebuchad wrote: Corbyn's manifesto was not exactly cowardly. If you want cowardly, look at who they'll put in charge of Labour next. Corbyn needed to be running around yelling "BREXIT IS WORSE THAN HITLER". But more realistically, senior party leadership needed to have some balls and eject Corbyn, but my impression is that the whole party is a little lacking in charisma relative to Boris. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12582 Posts
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