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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9766 Posts
On December 13 2019 07:12 ahswtini wrote: corbyn managed to throw harder than may did in 2017? This campaign for Labour has been rubbish from the start. Corbyn sounds like he learned a script written by a PR consultancy which just took away everything that he did well in 2017. Corbyn is gone by lunchtime imo. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Also if this is right, Corbyn will be gone very soon as well. Maybe Labour will get a leader with a bit of charisma and more likeability factor to get his points across more valid than that of Corbyn who was not liked by so so many people in the UK for many reasons. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On December 13 2019 07:09 Gorsameth wrote: This is what happens when the oppositions position on the most important choice in god knows how long is "I donno, give us power and we will ask you". Actually, I think we will find that Labour lost because a lot of their traditional voters wanted Brexit to happen. The pretty consistent anti-Labour bias probably also meant some, but in the end it's about Brexit. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22064 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On December 13 2019 07:19 Gorsameth wrote: So what are the odds Boris will still fail to 'get Brexit done' after this because the actual MP's in Parliament don't want it? Close to none. They already did the purge. And this time he won't need to rely on MPs from NI. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4379 Posts
On December 13 2019 07:19 Gorsameth wrote: So what are the odds Boris will still fail to 'get Brexit done' after this because the actual MP's in Parliament don't want it? They had to sign a pledge saying they supported his deal to stand so it's unlikely enough would fall back on that. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22064 Posts
On December 13 2019 07:19 sneakyfox wrote: its was 52-48, since then Brexit has been nothing but a disaster. I have a hard time believing that after everything public opinion is now closer to 65-35 in favour of an Exit.Actually, I think we will find that Labour lost because a lot of their traditional voters wanted Brexit to happen. The pretty consistent anti-Labour bias probably also meant some, but in the end it's about Brexit. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Is Corbyn THIS hated? Or just Brexit exhaustion and Labour being unclear about it bombing their result? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Wonder who new Labour leader will be, wonder if they will go for a strong female candidate, not sure when Labour last had a female leader, not in my life time anyway. (not counting Harriet who was just standing in) | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On December 13 2019 07:22 Gorsameth wrote: its was 52-48, since then Brexit has been nothing but a disaster. I have a hard time believing that after everything public opinion is now closer to 65-35 in favour of an Exit. Its not that, people are tired, the English mentality is "oh just get on with it then" its the way we are, if the vote came out again im sure it would just be as close as it was the first time, in which way i don't know but it would be close. If Boris wins this hard, its simple, people want this over with i know i do, even though i voted to stay, just leave with a deal sounds good to me. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5015 Posts
Let's hope for the best and may it at the very least be entertaining as all hell. It's out of your control now anyway, all you could do it vote. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On December 13 2019 07:25 Pandemona wrote: Yeah the Brexit deal goes through if they get a majority let alone this 368 number, it is quite clear that all Boris spoke about was Brexit and this looks like it has won it, the MPs have no reason not to vote it through. Wonder who new Labour leader will be, wonder if they will go for a strong female candidate, not sure when Labour last had a female leader, not in my life time anyway. (not counting Harriet who was just standing in) Also helps to have a pretty vast chunk of the country’s media doing your bidding. Perhaps there is a strong candidate waiting to flourish with exposure, I’m unsure who that would be currently but I’m sure there would be one. Going rather alternate history but Ed winning the leadership in the battle of the Millibands really hasn’t worked out well in the long run. Not that I’m a huge fan of David but I could have see him having actually got elected. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22064 Posts
On December 13 2019 07:27 Pandemona wrote: Fingers crossed Boris doesn't force a hard crash anyway when no trade deal has been agreed upon by the end of 2020 (which is impossibly quick)Its not that, people are tired, the English mentality is "oh just get on with it then" its the way we are, if the vote came out again im sure it would just be as close as it was the first time, in which way i don't know but it would be close. If Boris wins this hard, its simple, people want this over with i know i do, even though i voted to stay, just leave with a deal sounds good to me. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11722 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9766 Posts
This may actually push the tories to the left, given that most of their newly won seats will be in areas that need public spending. I hold out some small hope that Boris will surprise everyone. | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1975 Posts
On December 13 2019 07:34 Jockmcplop wrote: Interesting comment from Marr on the BBC. This may actually push the tories to the left, given that most of their newly won seats will be in areas that need public spending. I hold out some small hope that Boris will surprise everyone. brexit/johnson winning party leadership already purged all the moderates from the tories, all that remains is the hard right | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On December 13 2019 07:22 Gorsameth wrote: its was 52-48, since then Brexit has been nothing but a disaster. I have a hard time believing that after everything public opinion is now closer to 65-35 in favour of an Exit. That is not anywhere close to what the result will be. Labour are getting around 35% and the Tories around 45% or so. The point is that the UK election system is not proportional. The Tories are getting and much larger share of MPs than their share of the popular vote. Brexit has been a disaster but there hasn't even been a majority for a new referendum. The whole "get it over with" line has seemingly resonated well with many voters. | ||
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