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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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KwarK
United States44367 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Just grossly uninformed, ignorant and only finding fault in others? Oh wait, that's your new prime mininster most likely gonna be. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On June 22 2019 17:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Farage got a nice letter from a 10 year old Matthew, who with (fellow leaver) Jim is the only resistance to the pro-eu brainwashing at his school https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1142097162748215296 10 year old Matthew has the neatest handwriting I have ever seen. Also it's kind of creepy. The whole thing. | ||
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Banaora
Germany234 Posts
Hope Jim is safe. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
There are no good candidates left for the conservative leader election and by extention the Prime Minister. One is Boris Johnson, who would usurp British democracy for his own ends. The other is Jeremy Hunt, who is actively trying to dismantle the NHS and would sell UK to American corporate interests. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/22/video-reveals-steve-bannon-links-to-boris-johnson New evidence suggesting close links between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump’s controversial former campaign manager Steve Bannon can be revealed, calling into question the former foreign secretary’s previous denials of an association with the influential far-right activist. Video evidence obtained by the Observer shows Bannon, who helped mastermind Trump’s successful bid for the presidency but was later exiled from the White House, talking about his relationship and contacts with Johnson, and how he helped him craft the first speech after his resignation as foreign secretary, in which Johnson tore into Theresa May’s Brexit strategy Reports of Johnson and Bannon’s relationship were first published last summer. When asked about it at the time, Johnson said: “As for the so-called association with Steve Bannon, I’m afraid this is a lefty delusion whose spores continue to breed in the Twittersphere.” He said he had met Bannon in his role as foreign secretary and found the accusation that he was ‘with Bannon’ to be ‘perplexing’. The unpublished footage was shot in July last year by Alison Klayman, an American film-maker who followed Bannon over many months for a new documentary called The Brink. It sets out Bannon’s account of how the two had been in close contact particularly around the time of Johnson’s resignation from the May government. The first clip shows Bannon reading a front page story in the Daily Telegraph about Johnson’s resignation speech with the headline ‘Let’s Make Britain Great Again’. He says: “Today we are going to see if Boris Johnson tries to overthrow the British government. He’s going to give a speech in the Commons.” Bannon then says: “I’ve been talking to him all weekend about this speech. We went back and forth over the text.” Bannon says he got to know Johnson after the US presidential election when he was working as Donald Trump’s chief strategist. “Right after we won, Boris flew over. Because their victory was as unexpected as ours. I got to know him quite well in the transition period,” he said. | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
Both BoJo and Hunt seem unlikely to be able to break the impasse but perhaps electing BoJo will at least trigger an open revolt within the party.. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On June 24 2019 01:25 Oukka wrote: perhaps electing BoJo will at least trigger an open revolt within the party.. How would that work given that the parliamentary party overwhelmingly backed Boris? | ||
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Banaora
Germany234 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
There is nothing to be held against him then but from the opposition | ||
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KwarK
United States44367 Posts
On June 24 2019 04:54 ahswtini wrote: How would that work given that the parliamentary party overwhelmingly backed Boris? Giving him the top job could easily be interpreted as an attack on him. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2014 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22649 Posts
On June 24 2019 05:24 KwarK wrote: He is the person to ensure the hard-brexit happens after May proved to be unwilling to pull the trigger.Giving him the top job could easily be interpreted as an attack on him. Once that is done the party will happily drop him in a ditch. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18459 Posts
On June 24 2019 06:15 Gorsameth wrote: He is the person to ensure the hard-brexit happens after May proved to be unwilling to pull the trigger. Once that is done the party will happily drop him in a ditch. Parliament already took a stance on that, they don't want a no-deal Brexit, so there should be a majority for ousting Boris. Don't forget that the Tories don't have a majority. So even without a single Tory turning against Boris, if everybody else votes against him, he still can't be PM. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22649 Posts
On June 24 2019 15:22 Acrofales wrote: They say they don't want a no-deal Brexit, but have done absolutely nothing to move even the tiniest step towards anything else.Parliament already took a stance on that, they don't want a no-deal Brexit, so there should be a majority for ousting Boris. Don't forget that the Tories don't have a majority. So even without a single Tory turning against Boris, if everybody else votes against him, he still can't be PM. No-deal Brexit is the default end result. Parliament has to actually do something, which has proven to be impossible. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18459 Posts
On June 24 2019 18:51 Gorsameth wrote: They say they don't want a no-deal Brexit, but have done absolutely nothing to move even the tiniest step towards anything else. No-deal Brexit is the default end result. Parliament has to actually do something, which has proven to be impossible. Kinda beside the point when talking about the support Boris has in parliament, though. He's the personification of no-deal Brexit. So everyone who is against a no-deal Brexit should be against Boris, even if what they're actually *for* varies from remain, to May's deal to whatever pie-in-the-sky scenario lives in the head of some MPs: they should all be united in not wanting Boris in charge... And a vote of no confidence probably triggers general elections? | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
Defence minister Tobias Ellwood warns that a dozen Tories could side with the opposition and bring down the government if it was heading towards no-deal Asked if Conservatives opposed to a no-deal Brexit had the "numbers", Mr Ellwood told Panorama: "I believe that absolutely is the case. "I think a dozen or so members of Parliament would be on our side, would be voting against supporting a no deal, and that would include ministers as well as backbenchers." Tory former chancellor and pro-European Ken Clarke suggested he would be prepared to bring down a Conservative government to avoid a no-deal Brexit. A vote of no confidence "might trigger an election, it might trigger a change of government without an election under the law we now have", he told BBC Radio 4's The World at One. | ||
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korrekt
76 Posts
On June 24 2019 23:17 ahswtini wrote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48742881 Defence minister Tobias Ellwood warns that a dozen Tories could side with the opposition and bring down the government if it was heading towards no-deal I really hope that's gonna happen. Watching the Tory Party implode would be really satisfying... | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On June 25 2019 22:32 korrekt wrote: I really hope that's gonna happen. Watching the Tory Party implode would be really satisfying... You must have been having fun the last year then. If you take away the soul-crushing reality of how badly the negotiations are going and what it means, the last few years have been an incredibly slow-motion sequence of a giant fist inexorably coming closer to the face of the Conservative Party. | ||
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