UK Politics Mega-thread - Page 511

On April 01 2019 20:34 Harris1st wrote:
Why is immigration even a problem in the UK?

On April 01 2019 20:34 Harris1st wrote:
Why is immigration even a problem in the UK?

Customs union means only goods, no capital , services or labour right?
Seems awfully complicated, specially when EU regulates the trade for UK with them having no say in it

On April 01 2019 20:31 Jockmcplop wrote:


Genuinely? Yeah.
The fact is Eastern Europeans are a huge part of the UK labour market, and are pretty much needed to keep things going, especially when we shit our economy down the drain with Brexit.
It may have some small effect on immigration numbers, and policy will be different but our government has already cut immigration down to just about the lowest possible amount. The NHS is already struggling to find staff due to our ridiculous immigration policies, too much further movement on that will cause huge, permanent issues.

On April 01 2019 21:32 m4ini wrote:


You're pointing out the obvious flaws that it would bring with it, nonetheless that's what people want, and what this is all about. Businesses and the NHS instantly pointed out that this would lead to problems down the line, but this isn't about rational arguments.

It's mildly disingenuous to suggest so.

On April 01 2019 21:34 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'm not talking about the arguments that are being had, I'm talking about the real world effects of Brexit on immigration.
I could be wrong, but I really dont see how its possible to reduce immigration further than has already been done.

On April 01 2019 21:34 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'm not talking about the arguments that are being had, I'm talking about the real world effects of Brexit on immigration.
I could be wrong, but I really dont see how its possible to reduce immigration further than has already been done.

The European Union is expected to seek more than €10bn in UK contributions for this year even in the event of a no-deal scenario on 12 April, RTÉ News understands.

In exchange, UK beneficiaries of EU funding – including farmers in Northern Ireland – would continue to receive grants for the rest of the year.
A senior EU source told RTÉ News: "We hope to have it wrapped up this week."
...
The official said there had been "informal" signals from the UK Treasury that Britain would be willing to consider paying the remainder of its budget obligations until the end of the year ... however, on 13 March the House of Commons European Scrutiny Committee raised serious concerns about the idea, and sharply criticised what it called "ambiguous" responses from the Treasury on the issue.

The UK’s gross budget contribution to the EU for 2019 is €17.49bn.
Of that sum, Britain has already contributed €7.2bn, meaning that in a No Deal situation the EU would face a shortfall of €10.2bn this financial year.
The EU now expects that amount to be paid.

In 2017 the UK received back an estimated €4.6bn in EU funding, as well as the rebate of €6.5bn.

On April 02 2019 01:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
That's not a problem? Even the ERG has accepted that UK will have to pay their agreed contributions where appropriate; that is if they want to be able to negotiate anything with other countries in the future.

On April 02 2019 06:15 Zaros wrote:
Everything failed again, Nick Boles quits the conservatives completely blaming conservatives for not compromising.

On April 02 2019 06:50 Zaros wrote:
They are all fighting for what they believe in, the main problem is lack of leadership creating this massive vacuum for people like Mogg, Baker, Boles, Benn, Cooper etc. If we had a functioning PM or leader of the opposition who didnt come from the 1970s then this wouldn't be happening, can blame Letwin too and his stupid fixed term parliaments act without which we would have had a new parliament by now which could probably agree on something (just.)

On April 02 2019 06:57 m4ini wrote:


That doesn't matter. They're supposed to be fighting what's best for the country, i don't give a shit what someone like Mogg is fighting for/believing in (and i certainly haven't forgotten his background or the books his father has written).

And no, the main problem is that the UK is utterly incapable or governing itself if there's no vast majority to push shit through. The second people are expected to work together, something that dozens of other countries do on a daily basis and is absolutely not a unique situation, everything falls apart.

Why? Because everyone thinks that his opinion is the hot shit instead of understanding that his "view" or "belief" doesn't mean jack shit if they can't get it passed.

I don't disagree on Corbyn, he's worthless and indeed a hindrance to Labour, even though he's for some undefinable reason assumed to be the second coming or something.

It's not "lack of leadership" (well, to be fair, that's true too, but wouldn't matter) preventing progress, it's precisely what you described. No politician currently hushed about as next PM would've done a better job in these circumstances. You don't have a majority, so you need to unite the house behind you, at least the majority of it. This isn't happening. Both Labour and Tories "fight for what they believe for" instead of indeed finding a compromise. It's ridiculous. And on top of that, the Tories are split in like seventytwelve fringe groups, everyone pushing for something else.

Many MPs seem to have forgotten that the first and most severe duty of his is to advance and protect the country (and by extention it's unity, since that's threatened too). Not "getting" what they want.

edit: Nick Boles is gonna sit as an Independent Progressive Conservative. Something i indeed would myself describe as, coming to think of it.