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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On August 23 2017 02:11 Gorsameth wrote: Is there an actual British person left in this thread who is in favor of Brexit? Be it soft or hard. Kinda boring to have a discussion if there is no one to discuss with. Since Bardtown has been banned, no i don't think so. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22352 Posts
On August 23 2017 03:24 farvacola wrote: I'm sure Danglars could be motivated to post as Bardtown's proxy. LL does it aswell but thats kinda pointless when you want the perspective of someone who actually voted for it. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Kinda. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 23 2017 03:34 Artisreal wrote: I miss the bardtown pre "all Muslims are evil".. Kinda. Agreed. It was good to see the thought process and some alternative ideas on the subject. But the growing anti-Muslim and cultural superiority posts put a dark overtone over all of it. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/travel/travel-news/639279/Pound-to-euro-exchange-rate-today-live-predictions-dollar-surge | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 23 2017 03:24 farvacola wrote: I'm sure Danglars could be motivated to post as Bardtown's proxy. I don't have the close familiarity with British politics to contextualize or prognosticate. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
It's quite a bit of performance art and I await with some sense of dread the next piece of news on "Today in Nothing To Do with Islam." Secondly, even if it was permitted discourse, it's unlikely anyone here would give it fair hearing so I suppose it's just as well. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18289 Posts
On August 24 2017 00:22 Danglars wrote: TBH its sad thread attitudes and moderation on Muslim-related crimes in the U.K. really prevents discussion. Bardtown highlighted that it's the problem forbidden to discuss, and prior to the requested ban, TeamLiquid confirmed that it was the problem forbidden to discuss. (Unless you wanna shoot off allegations that bardtown hates brown people. That's acceptable.) It's quite a bit of performance art and I await with some sense of dread the next piece of news on "Today in Nothing To Do with Islam." Secondly, even if it was permitted discourse, it's unlikely anyone here would give it fair hearing so I suppose it's just as well. There's a big difference between pointing out that there is Islam-inspired terrorism on the one hand, and advocating that because of this, Islam should be banned (or maybe just Muslims booted out of the country, can't quite remember which one it was). And before you say "but that's not what Bardtown wanted", it's what people like Le Pen and Wilders definitely do want, and he was quite onboard with their general political outlook. I'm not sure the UK has anything similar to these, I guess UKIP comes closest, but their shtick was mostly EU (and Polish people) rather than Muslims. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 24 2017 01:20 Acrofales wrote: There's a big difference between pointing out that there is Islam-inspired terrorism on the one hand, and advocating that because of this, Islam should be banned (or maybe just Muslims booted out of the country, can't quite remember which one it was). And before you say "but that's not what Bardtown wanted", it's what people like Le Pen and Wilders definitely do want, and he was quite onboard with their general political outlook. I'm not sure the UK has anything similar to these, I guess UKIP comes closest, but their shtick was mostly EU (and Polish people) rather than Muslims. Show me where he advocated that Islam should be banned. I saw discussion of both sides and an overall focus on identifying the problem first and foremost. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 24 2017 02:32 Plansix wrote: Dog whistle xenophobia is a thing. We can imply things with language. His problem was that people would come up with reasons why things happen and he would always deny them and claim the only answer is "culture". Sounds an awful lot like you're putting words in bardtown's mouth under the header of dog whistle this and that. I gather if the problem was actually cultural in origin, you'd be screaming that it was dog whistle ban-Islam and why can't other people see it. It isn't the early 1970s Plansix. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 24 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote: Sounds an awful lot like you're putting words in bardtown's mouth under the header of dog whistle this and that. I gather if the problem was actually cultural in origin, you'd be screaming that it was dog whistle ban-Islam and why can't other people see it. It isn't the early 1970s Plansix. Did you just accuse me that I was putting words in Bardtown's mouth and then put words in my mouth in the very next sentence? | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
On August 23 2017 02:11 Gorsameth wrote: Is there an actual British person left in this thread who is in favor of Brexit? Be it soft or hard. Kinda boring to have a discussion if there is no one to discuss with. I think in principle Brexit isn't a terrible idea, and the idea of soverignty is "nice". However I have the overwhelming impression that the average MP is too corrupt, too inept, or both to be trusted with the task. I geniuinely currently think that the ridiculous bureaucracy of the EU that makes it incredibly hard to get anything done, while obstructing progress and good ideas, also helps to keep morons in check - and overall the latter outweights the former. It's impossible to make a proper opinion since there is really no list that states in even basic numbers whether the UK gains or loses more to the EU vs what may be gained from alternative trade deals. From an NHS perspective, which is entirely dependent on non-UK staff to function, there has to be at minimum a "soft" Brexit or it will collapse overnight from lack of staffing (which it is already doing anyway) and May is happy to let it slowly collapse under it's own weight (and absolve herself and Government of blame), but not so bold as to just kill it like a vet would a dying animal. The vibe I got from Bardtowns posts were that if you remove all the pussyfooting around he does it comes down to "child abuse gangs are Muslim, therefore Muslims are bad, therefore if they are sorted out, child abuse will be reduced". e.g. "do feel free to keep talking about how the prevalence of Muslim gangs abusing children is pure coincidence. " | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9845 Posts
Its the darkest consequence of political correctness I've ever seen (i'm generally in favour of political correctness). What's been written about bardtown on this page of this thread is both proof of this point and a demostration of why these gangs were allowed to get away with it for so long. I would suggest people watch this: For more detailed information. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On August 25 2017 01:23 Jockmcplop wrote: I wish bardtown was still here because the prevalence of Muslim gangs abusing children in the UK is not a coincidence. Its a real problem and a problem that could have been addressed a long time ago if only the authorities and people in social services weren't terrified of being called Islamophobic. Its the darkest consequence of political correctness I've ever seen (i'm generally in favour of political correctness). What's been written about bardtown on this page of this thread is both proof of this point and a demostration of why these gangs were allowed to get away with it for so long. I would suggest people watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-icZJM2ePE For more detailed information. Couldn't agree more, i feel sick everytime i hear about the Rochdale case. | ||
KwarK
United States43978 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9845 Posts
On August 25 2017 01:51 KwarK wrote: All we need to do is follow proper procedures and uphold the law more thoroughly though. We already have laws against child abuse, we don't need to do anything about Muslim child abuse beyond enforcing the existing laws. Absolutely. The problem I am alluding to is that if the force of political correctness is so strongly felt that the police are unable to do their jobs in these cases then we as a society need to look at whether something needs to change. No-one could reasonably have predicted this turn of events, but when people are being labelled islamophobes left right and centre for even daring to mention that there is a problem (ie look at all of the posts above) that is going to have an effect on their actions. Careers have been finished because of these kind of accusations. After the Stephen Lawrence case and the inquiry that went with it into the Met, I'm thinking its an issue of getting the balance right between an institutionally racist police force and one that is unable to do their job. | ||
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sc-darkness
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