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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
August 17 2017 18:53 GMT
#7601


http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/you-preyed-on-girls-because-they-were-687987

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4207314/newcastle-grooming-gang-sex-ring-badrul-hussain-rape-trafficking/amp/

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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 17 2017 19:41 GMT
#7602
On August 18 2017 03:53 bardtown wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl2V1EdkRPs

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/you-preyed-on-girls-because-they-were-687987

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4207314/newcastle-grooming-gang-sex-ring-badrul-hussain-rape-trafficking/amp/

The problem is just so monstrous and hits a few too many sacred cows that the only response is deflection and studied ignorance. From before:

On August 10 2017 08:27 Acrofales wrote:
So when white people make up a pedophile network, it's because they're filthy perverts, but when brown people do it, it's because of their religion.

Or maybe there are just sick fucks all over the place.

1. The only people who notice the pattern are people who already irrationally hate brown people/religious brown people.

On August 10 2017 16:08 MoonfireSpam wrote:
Brexit them all away, only righteous Caucasians remain, enjoy utopia.

Flippancy.

On August 10 2017 07:18 KwarK wrote:
I went back and checked and it really was your point.
I said multiple branches had issues.
You asked how my claim that multiple branches had issues would stand up to a hypothetical world in which they were from multiple denominations.
I explained that multiple branches actually presumes that there could be multiple denominations.
You said that if multiple branches have problems then surely everything on the tree must have problems.
I explained that that's not how branches work.

Do I need to quote the specific posts for you?

Dithering on multiple causes. Because the factory also churns out ball bearings, the tank production doesn't fit the same mold therefore it's unrelated to the war effort.

On August 10 2017 06:55 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2017 06:52 LegalLord wrote:
I'm confused, is this supposed to be some form of convoluted No True Scotsman to try to dismiss all the parts of Islam that have problems?

No. Because no one is saying that they are not Islamic. Child sex trafficking happens all over the world and Islam has no special claim to it.

Since it's not the sole progenitor of the practice, we can safely conclude that it has nothing to do with the case now.


But speaking to the non-crazy factions in this forum, if any are left, will post-Brexit immigration policy halt the recurrence and spread to a sufficient degree where it remains semi-isolated incidents?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42860 Posts
August 17 2017 19:59 GMT
#7603
Post-Brexit immigration policy is more open to the Indian subcontinent than pre-Brexit. These people didn't come in from Italy, their fathers came here from the colonies.

The EU and Muslim immigration in the UK are two completely separate issues. It's a decolonization issue.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9661 Posts
August 17 2017 21:18 GMT
#7604
On August 18 2017 03:53 bardtown wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl2V1EdkRPs

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/you-preyed-on-girls-because-they-were-687987

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4207314/newcastle-grooming-gang-sex-ring-badrul-hussain-rape-trafficking/amp/

User was banned for this post.


Maajid Nawaz is a very interesting guy but I feel like he's boxed himself into a corner recently. His show has become a case of "Tune in next week to see Maajid Nawaz shouting at people who call in and then telling all muslims off."
I still think he has a point here though.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
756 Posts
August 22 2017 08:12 GMT
#7605
https://www.ft.com/content/f54f4dee-8687-11e7-8bb1-5ba57d47eff7

Sadly didnt have time to find and read actual position paper but given that similar is quoted in "Daily Mail" (i usually check both sides of the argument as you cant find unbiased one) I'll take guess thats quite accurate.

Seriously this is most amusing and looks like that:
- Give a 100 quid
- No!
- Ok I'll take the 1000 then

As of now it seems UK position is to keep asking for the same thing over and over, just wording it differently everytime.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
August 22 2017 08:32 GMT
#7606
The article is behind a paywall - I'm assuming this has something to do with the BREXIT negotiations?
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
756 Posts
August 22 2017 09:27 GMT
#7607
It does, however i was able to access article freely?
Went google, brexit, news
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
August 22 2017 10:00 GMT
#7608
If you can give us the title of the article it's going to be a lot easier to find. A ton of different stuff turns up when I google "brexit news".
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
756 Posts
August 22 2017 11:39 GMT
#7609
"Exports plan seeks to avoid extra EU checks after Brexit"
i meant google - brexit - (tab) news
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 18:41:31
August 22 2017 12:12 GMT
#7610
For everyone's benefit:

mod edit: removed text of paywalled article


www.ft.com
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42860 Posts
August 22 2017 13:58 GMT
#7611
Logically it would be possible to allow British products to be sold through the EU without border inspections, but only if Britain agreed to continue to conform to all EU commerce regulations. Which are the ones the Brexit people are trying to get out of.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21731 Posts
August 22 2017 14:06 GMT
#7612
Its the same problem as so many other parts of Brexit.

You can have X, but to do so you need to conform to all current and future EU rules, in which case nothing changes except you no longer have a say in what those rules are.

Or you can have a hard Brexit but then you get a ton of extra costs which may well cause some businesses to move out of the UK to somewhere in Europe because the cost of moving is cheaper long term then the cost of paying the extra import cost.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 14:45:18
August 22 2017 14:45 GMT
#7613
It seems entirely plausible we'll end up just taking the EU label off our regs but adhering to them all the same.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42860 Posts
August 22 2017 14:49 GMT
#7614
Honestly I'm not sure we really thought this through.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
August 22 2017 16:16 GMT
#7615
On August 22 2017 23:49 KwarK wrote:
Honestly I'm not sure we really thought this through.


We will discover the price of hubris.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9661 Posts
August 22 2017 16:38 GMT
#7616
On August 23 2017 01:16 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2017 23:49 KwarK wrote:
Honestly I'm not sure we really thought this through.


We will discover the price of hubris.

But the EU will give us what we want because they are benevolent....
Wait why are we leaving again?
RIP Meatloaf <3
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42860 Posts
August 22 2017 17:00 GMT
#7617
We may have to pay the price of hubris but at least we'll be paying it in pounds and shillings.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 22 2017 17:09 GMT
#7618
There may be an economic price to pay for sovereignty. That is well understood. Some things are more important.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21731 Posts
August 22 2017 17:11 GMT
#7619
Is there an actual British person left in this thread who is in favor of Brexit? Be it soft or hard.

Kinda boring to have a discussion if there is no one to discuss with.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 22 2017 17:13 GMT
#7620
Sovereignty is priceless. Therefore the economic cost of Brexit is always worth it.
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