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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4360 Posts
On April 20 2017 22:29 kollin wrote: Yeah Corbyn will undoubtedly get demolished, but calling his policies loopy when they clearly aren't the reason for that demolishing is pretty ignorant. Giving the Falklands back to the Argies and adding four more public holidays to the calendar are about as loopy as you can get.You've got casualisation of the workforce and an ongoing offshoring issue going back 50 years.Four more days leave will make that worse. If Labour can't even win in Wales that says plenty though.Labour is a dying party no doubt about it. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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KwarK
United States43278 Posts
On April 26 2017 10:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Giving the Falklands back to the Argies and adding four more public holidays to the calendar are about as loopy as you can get.You've got casualisation of the workforce and an ongoing offshoring issue going back 50 years.Four more days leave will make that worse. If Labour can't even win in Wales that says plenty though.Labour is a dying party no doubt about it. Back to the Argies? The last time they had a claim on it was before Argentina existed. Their claim is that they were grandfathered in by the Spanish and that it's kinda close. The United States has more claim to Cuba, or for that matter France has more claim to Britain, than Argentina does to the Falklands. (I know you didn't say you agreed with Corbyn but "back" is a loaded word). But from a purely pragmatic point of view, if British soldiers have bled to defend it in living memory then you don't fucking give it away to the guys they were fighting. Corbyn has lost the plot on that one. It's a policy with zero benefits and huge costs. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On April 26 2017 20:01 Zaros wrote: https://twitter.com/UK__News/status/857184437175496704 Post-war though? Otherwise, it's an insult to guys like Churchill? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On April 27 2017 03:14 Shield wrote: Post-war though? Otherwise, it's an insult to guys like Churchill? Goes back to 1970 I think | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On April 27 2017 02:33 bardtown wrote: He wanted shared rule, which would inevitably become Argentinian rule in the space of a decade. Completely infeasible. Not an actual policy then. Corbyn wants to get rid of Trident, doesn't make it an actual policy. Much in the same way that while May supported remain and probably doesn't like the gays, the Tories are pro brexit and passed gay marriage. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On April 27 2017 04:37 kollin wrote: Not an actual policy then. Corbyn wants to get rid of Trident, doesn't make it an actual policy. Much in the same way that while May supported remain and probably doesn't like the gays, the Tories are pro brexit and passed gay marriage. What? Care to elaborate the bold part? | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
Baroness Featherstone – the architect of the equal marriage law – has since affirmed that May’s support was instrumental in convincing the Conservative leadership and the Cabinet to agree to move forward with the proposal, which resulted in the 2013 Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act. www.pinknews.co.uk She voted initial against LGBT+ interests but I'd imagine was really just obeying the whip. Here's her voting record on the Same-Sex Marriage Bill: http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?id=uk.org.publicwhip/member/41113 I can't stand Theresa 'Police State' May one bit. But that assertion is over the line. | ||
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KwarK
United States43278 Posts
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
EDIT: It must be said that it's interesting how someone like Hillary Clinton was criticised for her relative latecoming to the LGBT cause with it being seen as opportunistic, whereas May's change of stance is seen as honest | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
German Chancellor Angela Merkel says some British people have "illusions" about discussing the UK's future ties with the EU at the same time as nailing down the UK's Brexit terms. An EU-UK deal can only be discussed once the exit issues - such as UK payments to the EU budget - are resolved, Mrs Merkel told German MPs. The UK initiated the formal procedure to leave the EU on 29 March. It sets a two-year deadline for completion of the exit negotiations. EU leaders are to meet on Saturday to adopt their joint negotiating position on Brexit. They are working on the basis of draft guidelines issued on 31 March. Official talks will not begin until after the UK general election on 8 June. UK Prime Minister Theresa May called the early election, saying she needed to strengthen her hand in Brexit negotiations. The EU wants the terms of the UK's exit to be decided before any discussion of a future trade relationship, while Mrs May wants the two issues to be dealt with simultaneously. The German chancellor told German MPs it would be "a waste of time" to maintain illusions that the two sets of negotiations could be held simultaneously. EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom said the EU would "for sure" reach a free trade deal with the UK after Brexit. But Mrs Merkel warned that it would be a different relationship, saying: "A third country - which is what the UK will be - cannot and will not have the same rights as an EU member state. "All 27 EU countries and the EU institutions agree about that," she told the Bundestag, Germany's lower house of parliament. Source Germany wants to extract its pound of flesh before negotiations can begin, likely a political necessity in keeping the union together by hook or by crook. | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
On April 28 2017 05:53 LegalLord wrote: Source Germany wants to extract its pound of flesh before negotiations can begin, likely a political necessity in keeping the union together by hook or by crook. Your wording makes Merkels position sound particularly hostile. If so what would you expect her or the EU side to say instead? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On April 27 2017 08:44 kollin wrote: Oops my mistake, I knew she'd voted against all the gay legislation when Labour was pushing it, I didn't realise her role in 2013. Also, in fairness to Cameron, his support for gay marriage did seem sincere. Regardless of my ignorance my point still stands - Corbyn saying we'll share the Falklands (and never repeating it after) doesn't seem to be Labour policy in any way shape or form. EDIT: It must be said that it's interesting how someone like Hillary Clinton was criticised for her relative latecoming to the LGBT cause with it being seen as opportunistic, whereas May's change of stance is seen as honest That's because a huge number of americans go berserk at the sound of clintons name | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On April 28 2017 05:53 LegalLord wrote: Source Germany wants to extract its pound of flesh before negotiations can begin, likely a political necessity in keeping the union together by hook or by crook. The source does not follow your supposition. Heck even the analysis immediately after doesn't support your wild theories. It must be tough to scour the internet to post the same tenuous drivel day after day. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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