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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 20 2017 19:25 GMT
#6401
That interview was terrible, in my opinion. Owen is too young to be a dinosaur, but I just listened to two dinosaurs talking for 40 minutes. They have no idea what is going on.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18266 Posts
April 20 2017 19:33 GMT
#6402
On April 21 2017 04:25 bardtown wrote:
That interview was terrible, in my opinion. Owen is too young to be a dinosaur, but I just listened to two dinosaurs talking for 40 minutes. They have no idea what is going on.

Agreed. So much waffling and interrupting each other. It was unwatchable. Just a load of flailing around. If that is what labour is about, then no wonder they're set up for a historic loss.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 20:03:35
April 20 2017 20:02 GMT
#6403
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39659304

Some Labour MP has no idea what's up. She just repeats rigged election without anything to back it up. It's sad such people get elected not just in the UK.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
April 20 2017 20:10 GMT
#6404
I hate the fact that people like that end up representing my views.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 20 2017 21:21 GMT
#6405
It can't be a coincidence that all these people are London MPs. Dawn Butler, Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott, Emily Thornberry, John McDonnell, etc.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
April 20 2017 22:00 GMT
#6406
What difference does it make? There are incompetent people everywhere.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 20 2017 22:12 GMT
#6407
Well I think it does matter when they're posturing as anti-establishment revolutionaries that represent the working man. It's a very modern parody.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
April 21 2017 12:26 GMT
#6408
Historically speaking, labour represents the "working man" working and living in cities. Those living in small picturesque villages tend to be well off compared to those in the city.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 21 2017 14:31 GMT
#6409
Towns and cities, yes, but London is a world apart from, say, Middlesbrough or Harwich. They don't represent these people at all any more.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-21 19:01:26
April 21 2017 18:59 GMT
#6410
On April 21 2017 21:26 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Historically speaking, labour represents the "working man" working and living in cities. Those living in small picturesque villages tend to be well off compared to those in the city.


Why is this so? I don't live in city anymore because of my job, but I still earn a decent salary considering my age and education. If anything, the "working man" would want to spend less money so they can have more for themselves, while the unemployed people would want more money for them. Why would a working man vote for Labour then? Of course, NHS is nice. Paid leave and maternal leave are also nice, but that's about it.

Edit: Yeah, also cheaper higher education. However, left wing isn't necessarily known for spending money well in the long run.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
April 22 2017 20:10 GMT
#6411


Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
April 22 2017 21:00 GMT
#6412
Is this the most overwhelming Conservative win? When were they the strongest in general election?
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-22 22:17:07
April 22 2017 22:14 GMT
#6413
They've been around for a long time and I think they've had some convincing results. You can bet that the day after the election all the news articles will tell us when the last result this good was, if ever. I wonder what they would need to do to lose?

JC is offering 4 new national holidays though. That almost feels like bribery. I bet they won't be offering that at the next election. That's the kind of thing that could swing an election normally. I mean once the public get given 4 new holidays I pity the government that tries to take them back.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14105 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-22 22:31:40
April 22 2017 22:28 GMT
#6414
On April 23 2017 06:00 Shield wrote:
Is this the most overwhelming Conservative win? When were they the strongest in general election?

Thatcher years they hit 53% 62% and 58%. Whats crazy is that cameron could have been looking at a comfortable fourth term at this rate if he could have made some sort of brexit deal.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 22 2017 22:56 GMT
#6415
I don't think Cameron could have continued, really. His managerial approach to the EU renegotiation before the referendum made it clear that he was not the man to do the Brexit negotiations, and he alienated half his party and half the country during the campaign. He had planned to step down during this parliament, anyway.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
April 22 2017 23:15 GMT
#6416
On April 23 2017 07:28 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2017 06:00 Shield wrote:
Is this the most overwhelming Conservative win? When were they the strongest in general election?

Thatcher years they hit 53% 62% and 58%. Whats crazy is that cameron could have been looking at a comfortable fourth term at this rate if he could have made some sort of brexit deal.


Didn't he announce that he wouldn't try to get a third term?
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
April 22 2017 23:44 GMT
#6417


Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14105 Posts
April 22 2017 23:47 GMT
#6418
On April 23 2017 08:15 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2017 07:28 Sermokala wrote:
On April 23 2017 06:00 Shield wrote:
Is this the most overwhelming Conservative win? When were they the strongest in general election?

Thatcher years they hit 53% 62% and 58%. Whats crazy is that cameron could have been looking at a comfortable fourth term at this rate if he could have made some sort of brexit deal.


Didn't he announce that he wouldn't try to get a third term?

Yeah but the idea is that he might have been able to get a fourth with these numbers.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43910 Posts
April 22 2017 23:52 GMT
#6419
On April 23 2017 08:47 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2017 08:15 Shield wrote:
On April 23 2017 07:28 Sermokala wrote:
On April 23 2017 06:00 Shield wrote:
Is this the most overwhelming Conservative win? When were they the strongest in general election?

Thatcher years they hit 53% 62% and 58%. Whats crazy is that cameron could have been looking at a comfortable fourth term at this rate if he could have made some sort of brexit deal.


Didn't he announce that he wouldn't try to get a third term?

Yeah but the idea is that he might have been able to get a fourth with these numbers.

These numbers are a result of instability. Conservative numbers go up as uncertainty goes up, Labour when stability goes up. Cameron leaving was a part of the instability.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
April 22 2017 23:55 GMT
#6420
That Scotland poll is crazy. I think SNP voters are as scared of a coalition with Corbyn as Labour voters are of a coalition with the SNP.
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