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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On April 19 2017 02:14 Jockmcplop wrote: David Milliband was the brother of Ed, he was also a politician but a little less idiotic So he refused to be his brother anymore? :D | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
. They're still brothers. And these days even Ed looks positively competent. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
Things aren't quite as un-hilarious as the below post by bardtown might make you believe. The future of the agencies has not been decided in that the other EU countries have yet to decide where they go, but that they go appears to be very much agreed upon by EU. On April 19 2017 01:34 bardtown wrote: Yes they are. The article also features not a single quote from David Davis. All they have said is that the future of the agencies has not been decided and will be a part of the negotiation. Meanwhile DB are using the election as an excuse to start buying sterling again. The IMF have also revised growth for 2017. "In its latest assessment of prospects for global growth, published on Tuesday, the IMF predicted the UK economy will expand this year by 2 per cent, a sharp increase of 0.5 percentage points from the forecast it made in January." https://www.ft.com/content/5213d9fc-227c-11e7-8691-d5f7e0cd0a16 The 2 agencies are EMA and EBA which both currently reside in London. The Brits would like for the future to be part of the negotiations, however EU has a different view: "The EMA and EBA both have to go to a member state. There are many interested member states. There is a broad understanding that it is something that you need to move quickly on" The relocation is expected to be part of the summit April 29.th. There are about 20 suitors for EMA (900'ish jobs) and so far only Paris and Frankfurt for EBA (100'ish jobs). EDIT: Another article which says more or less the same as the FT one (they got the story from there): https://pharmaphorum.com/news/uk-hasnt-given-keeping-european-medicines-agency/ | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On April 19 2017 02:32 LegalLord wrote: For a while I thought that the EU would surely cut a deal, because it would be the most economically sensible decision at this point. As of now, I'm not too sure. Between the many strongly conflicting viewpoints of nations within the union and the desperate attempt to save a salvaged project by showing that membership in the EU will be treated as a form of economic blackmail (stay or else we will pass punitive measures against you) it's clear that we're not merely dealing with a hardliner face for negotiations but a fractured and confused group of nations. The A50 could have been avoided if only sane nations had negotiated with Britain in the past two years. How about we wait with passing judgement until after the April 29th summit? You know, the summit where the EU-line is going to be discussed by the remaining 27 EU countries leaders? I know you enjoy your baseless yells of "DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM", but could you tone it down until then? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On April 19 2017 02:35 Ghostcom wrote: How about we wait with passing judgement until after the April 29th summit? You know, the summit where the EU-line is going to be discussed by the remaining 27 EU countries leaders? I know you enjoy your baseless yells of "DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM", but could you tone it down until then? No. We've had more than enough over the years to know where the EU stands: all over the place. There isn't some magical summit that's going to change our minds about what we already know: that it's a pitiful excuse of a unified front paralyzed by a lack of consensus. We got to Brexit and then Hard Brexit not because of necessity but because of the EU. April 29 is just another day. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On April 19 2017 02:38 LegalLord wrote: No. We've had more than enough over the years to know where the EU stands: all over the place. There isn't some magical summit that's going to change our minds about what we already know: that it's a pitiful excuse of a unified front paralyzed by a lack of consensus. We got to Brexit and then Hard Brexit not because of necessity but because of the EU. April 29 is just another day. No. EDIT: Wait, I want to change my answer. Yes. April 29 is just another day in EU - because on the 29th the now 27 EU countries will decide how deal with an issue like so many before. EU is much less paralyzed than you think. If you think Brexit was merely a consequence of what EU actually does you are ill-informed. Brexit was much more about how the British people thought EU worked and the imagined consequences. The more of your posting I read, the less convinced I am that you actually know how EU functions. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On April 19 2017 02:38 LegalLord wrote: No. We've had more than enough over the years to know where the EU stands: all over the place. There isn't some magical summit that's going to change our minds about what we already know: that it's a pitiful excuse of a unified front paralyzed by a lack of consensus. We got to Brexit and then Hard Brexit not because of necessity but because of the EU. April 29 is just another day. "We"? Are you even British? You seem to be more interested in American politics than UK politics. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On April 19 2017 02:39 Ghostcom wrote: No. EDIT: Wait, I want to change my answer. Yes. April 29 is just another day in EU - because on the 29th the now 27 EU countries will decide how deal with an issue like so many before. EU is much less paralyzed than you think. If you think Brexit was merely a consequence of what EU actually does you are ill-informed. Brexit was much more about how the British people thought EU worked and the imagined consequences. Ok, the British are just deluded and simply don't understand the EU. Everything is great and amazing and all the problems that people see stem from the fact that people just don't get it. If Britain hadn't voted to leave the EU then people would still be denying that the EU needs major reforms. It's clear that those who benefit greatly from its existence (a large group, not necessarily a majority, but a majority here to be sure) will take support for its existence to the grave. Thankfully anyone who opposes the EU is just ignorant so we're all good right now. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 19 2017 02:44 Shield wrote: "We"? Are you even British? You seem to be more interested in American politics than UK politics. LL is Russian. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22065 Posts
On April 19 2017 02:32 LegalLord wrote: For a while I thought that the EU would surely cut a deal, because it would be the most economically sensible decision at this point. As of now, I'm not too sure. Between the many strongly conflicting viewpoints of nations within the union and the desperate attempt to save a salvaged project by showing that membership in the EU will be treated as a form of economic blackmail (stay or else we will pass punitive measures against you) it's clear that we're not merely dealing with a hardliner face for negotiations but a fractured and confused group of nations. The A50 could have been avoided if only sane nations had negotiated with Britain in the past two years. England already held a position of exception within the EU, they already had a special deal. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On April 19 2017 02:56 Gorsameth wrote: England already held a position of exception within the EU, they already had a special deal. That much is true. Which makes it no surprise that it's the first one to choose to vote out. But at this rate it won't be the last - assuming the EU survives long enough for someone foolish enough to allow an in-out referendum comes into power. Euroscepticism isn't a U.K.-only issue. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On April 19 2017 02:48 Plansix wrote: The part of LLs post I find most amusing is that he constantly refers to economic blackmail and threats like they are some new invention or tactic that the EU cooked up. This was the status quo before the push for free trade and interconnected economic futures. Threats, bullying, favoritism and economic ruin were the tools of diplomacy. And they lead to conflicts and wars. Just because all of us never lived in a time where that was common doesn’t mean that it magically went away. LL is Russian. Then it's normal. Russians have been enemies of the European civilisation since at least 1944. It's obvious why they attack the EU - so that they can assert their imperial agenda. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On April 19 2017 03:00 Shield wrote: Then it's normal. Russians have been enemies of the European civilisation since at least 1944. It's obvious why they attack the EU - so that they can assert their imperial agenda. 1944 seems like an interesting choice of years. Upset about Bulgaria being invaded for being aligned with Nazi Germany in WWII? | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
By the way, it's best not to throw accusations about people based on their nationality. Unless they're French. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On April 19 2017 03:12 Plansix wrote: Although I agree in principle, it is nice to know where people are from and how that may influence their point of view. And then there are the people who tactically omit that information. There are also people who don't pay enough attention and assume that said information is omitted - and basically are this guy to a fault. For example, I'm not sure how much more clear than --->vvvvvv<--- one can be. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On April 19 2017 03:12 Plansix wrote: Although I agree in principle, it is nice to know where people are from and how that may influence their point of view. And then there are the people who tactically omit that information. Oh, I know. That mythical guy was French, Scottish or Canadian depending on which country outperformed England in any given aspect. | ||
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