EPTDon't think France and Britain are the same though. France would have to make a decision based on matters internal to France, if by some off chance an EU membership referendum were to be called.
UK Politics Mega-thread - Page 311
| Forum Index > General Forum |
In order to ensure that this thread meets TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we ask that everyone please adhere to this mod note. Posts containing only Tweets or articles adds nothing to the discussions. Therefore, when providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments will be actioned upon. All in all, please continue to enjoy posting in TL General and partake in discussions as much as you want! But please be respectful when posting or replying to someone. There is a clear difference between constructive criticism/discussion and just plain being rude and insulting. https://www.registertovote.service.gov.uk | ||
|
LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Don't think France and Britain are the same though. France would have to make a decision based on matters internal to France, if by some off chance an EU membership referendum were to be called. | ||
|
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9999 Posts
This is real life on the streets of Manchester right now. I don't know how we can call ourselves civilized and allow this on our streets. Why has no-one done anything effective? Why is it that all current government policy is geared towards making this worse instead of better? The tories would have this country crumble in front of our very eyes all while saying "Yeah, but who cares because The Economy". Maybe the government will try and do something sensible now the problem of homelessness and the massive mental health crisis is starting to effect real people. | ||
KwarK
United States44289 Posts
| ||
|
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9999 Posts
On April 11 2017 07:53 KwarK wrote: Addiction and homelessness are complex problems, and not new ones. Indeed. The problem is that there is no cohesive strategy to deal with them right now, and every measure being put into place by the government is simply feeding the whirlpool of drugs, mental health problems and homelessness. As the police Inspector says, the Psychoactive Substances Act simply did what everyone said it would do, and made the drugs more harmful and much harder to track. It has caused, in quite a direct way, the problems we're seeing now. The streets of Manchester are getting worse and worse by the day, and I can tell you that from experience, and anyone working for any homeless charity/organization will tell you exactly the same. This isn't unprecedented, a similar thing happened during Thatcher's later years, and it was equally repulsive then. | ||
|
LightSpectra
United States3207 Posts
| ||
|
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
| ||
|
Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
It seems there were only 1370 homeless people in Bulgaria in 2013: http://www.novinite.com/articles/155792/Bulgaria's Social Policy Minister Reports 1370 Homeless by Sept 2013 I think part of the problem with homeless people is the insanely expensive houses in the UK. | ||
|
Gorsameth
Netherlands22584 Posts
On April 12 2017 06:52 Shield wrote: Well, I don't think I've seen so many homeless, beggars or mentally ill people in my country. I don't think that's because of left wing or right wing. Maybe the problem is different? I don't think it's only because of politicians. It seems there were only 1370 homeless people in Bulgaria in 2013: http://www.novinite.com/articles/155792/Bulgaria's Social Policy Minister Reports 1370 Homeless by Sept 2013 I think part of the problem with homeless people is the insanely expensive houses in the UK. 1370 in all of Bulgaria? I am very sceptical of that number. Seems way to low for any nation. | ||
|
Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
I guess one excuse for Manchester is that it has 2,5 million people, so it's more likely to see homeless ones. | ||
|
bardtown
England2313 Posts
As a remedy to life in society I would suggest the big city. Nowadays, it is the only desert within our means. I agree about the Psychoactive Substances Act, though. Exemplary of just how ignorant politicians can be. | ||
|
Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Babushka - old lady, grandmother. It shows your ignorance that you even used that word when it's in Russian despite your excuse that you don't know what it is in Bulgarian. It's like I tell you to go check Straße for homeless people. Just use your language to get your point across. Back to your explanation, I still find it unbelievable that some old lady will always find a place for a homeless person. Not many people want strangers in their house even in Eastern Europe. What I find more believable is that it seems that western parents leave their children alone at a younger age (e.g. 18-20), while parents in Eastern Europe could look after their children even after that age. I've heard of stories how 30 years old men still live with their parents. Maybe that could explain why there are more homeless people there. | ||
|
Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
Regarding numbers: a quick Google search tells me that Bulgaria has no official definition of homeless (which despite the name is actually pretty hard to define). However the only way to arrive at a number in the low thousands is by mere counting those using social services which is so obviously going to be a massive underestimation that I'm frankly baffled you tried to legitimately pass that number off as the truth. In the same article there are apparently 17000 using soupkitchens regularly. http://m.novinite.com/articles/155792/Bulgaria's Social Policy Minister Reports 1370 Homeless by Sept 2013 | ||
|
Velr
Switzerland10953 Posts
Btw: A Busticket from Bulgaria to Germany probably costs about 100-200€. All else, bardtowns post is a giant pile of typical hypocritical rightwing bullshit highlighted with a giant "i'm a retarded bigot" sign thanks to the use of "Babushka" (wrong language, wrong context, Maximum use of a stereotype). Just all the ignorance cemented with the use of a single word, its acutally quite a feat. The state cannot and should not deal with Problems like homelessness and widespread drug abuse? What? Why even have a state if it doesn't care for its citizens? Its a state, that encompasses quite a bit more than some infrastructure fund. User was warned for this post | ||
|
Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
| ||
|
bardtown
England2313 Posts
On April 12 2017 18:37 Ghostcom wrote: I apologize for the low content post, but I couldn't agree more with Velr and my previous post left me slightly frustrated that it would inevitably make it seem like I agree with bardtown. So uh, yay Velr! You agree that I'm a 'retarded bigot' for using the word 'babushka' - even pointing out that I know it's the wrong word? I'm literally praising eastern Europeans for having values that westerners have abandoned. Shield, I don't think the point about people living with their parents longer is necessarily meaningful. The majority of homeless people either have no family or have serious disagreements with them. A significant number of them are homeless because of family issues. The reality is simple. For the state to house a homeless individual it would cost thousands of pounds. There are all manner of regulations that they have to adhere to. For an individual it costs the price of a few teabags and some breakfast cereal. The state will never have enough housing on standby for an increase in homelessness, because that would amount to thousands spent on empty rooms. The community is always the ultimate safety net, and community is weak in the west. Half of us don't even know our neighbours. There's nothing right wing about stating the obvious. Or if there is then, sure, I'm right wing. | ||
|
farvacola
United States18869 Posts
| ||
|
bardtown
England2313 Posts
| ||
|
farvacola
United States18869 Posts
| ||
|
bardtown
England2313 Posts
| ||
|
Simberto
Germany11990 Posts
I don't know Bulgaria, but i would be highly surprised if Bulgarian old ladies habitually let random homeless people into their houses at a significant rate. That is a pretty strong claim that you need to back up. Your anecdote simply has nothing to do with what you claim it supports, and even if it did, it would still only be anecdotal evidence. You claim to know how homeless people are handled in bulgaria, because you (not a smelly homeless person in rags, but probably a clean, cultured englishman in clean clothes) was allowed to stay inside a polish (not bulgarian) religious center (not private house) in norway (not eastern europe) Literally nothing in this anecdote except for the fact that it involved sleeping has anything to do with what you talked about. You deliver nothing else to support this idea. Can't you see how your whole argument is build on absolutely nothing whatsoever? | ||
| ||
