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On March 30 2017 19:50 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 18:54 TMG26 wrote:On March 28 2017 03:07 Jockmcplop wrote: So what's being suggested is that we all give up our privacy because a guy drove a car into a bunch of people and stabbed a cop. Fair enough, but its not going to stop the next guy driving his car into a bunch of people and stabbing a cop is it? Ding Ding Ding. Also, do criminals really need encryption? According to our newspapers, the terrorists are regularly discussing their top secret plans over Whatsapp. I'm highly skeptical.
Well, WhatsApp is used by MPs to discuss politics, so not far off...
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On March 30 2017 19:50 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 18:54 TMG26 wrote:On March 28 2017 03:07 Jockmcplop wrote: So what's being suggested is that we all give up our privacy because a guy drove a car into a bunch of people and stabbed a cop. Fair enough, but its not going to stop the next guy driving his car into a bunch of people and stabbing a cop is it? Ding Ding Ding. Also, do criminals really need encryption? According to our newspapers, the terrorists are regularly discussing their top secret plans over Whatsapp. I'm highly skeptical. Weren't those the terrorists who got caught? If so, I see some correlation there.
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On March 31 2017 05:28 Deleuze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2017 19:50 Laurens wrote:On March 30 2017 18:54 TMG26 wrote:On March 28 2017 03:07 Jockmcplop wrote: So what's being suggested is that we all give up our privacy because a guy drove a car into a bunch of people and stabbed a cop. Fair enough, but its not going to stop the next guy driving his car into a bunch of people and stabbing a cop is it? Ding Ding Ding. Also, do criminals really need encryption? According to our newspapers, the terrorists are regularly discussing their top secret plans over Whatsapp. I'm highly skeptical. Well, WhatsApp is used by MPs to discuss politics, so not far off... It's also used by nurses to discuss patients.
Some food for thought.
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On March 31 2017 08:58 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2017 05:28 Deleuze wrote:On March 30 2017 19:50 Laurens wrote:On March 30 2017 18:54 TMG26 wrote:On March 28 2017 03:07 Jockmcplop wrote: So what's being suggested is that we all give up our privacy because a guy drove a car into a bunch of people and stabbed a cop. Fair enough, but its not going to stop the next guy driving his car into a bunch of people and stabbing a cop is it? Ding Ding Ding. Also, do criminals really need encryption? According to our newspapers, the terrorists are regularly discussing their top secret plans over Whatsapp. I'm highly skeptical. Well, WhatsApp is used by MPs to discuss politics, so not far off... It's also used by nurses to discuss patients. Some food for thought.
And normal people use it too. Which is why it should be encrypted.
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Spain seems to push for Gibraltar. I've no opinion because it's not my battle and I'm not British, but I don't think they have enough military to challenge you. It should be ok? Also, NATO.
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On April 02 2017 04:27 Shield wrote: Spain seems to push for Gibraltar. I've no opinion because it's not my battle and I'm not British, but I don't think they have enough military to challenge you. It should be ok? Also, NATO. I think you misunderstood something...
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Spain probably has a really good chance of getting co-sovereignty of Gibraltar because of just how many people from Gibraltar go to Spain daily.
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No, they don't. Gibraltar is more British than Britain. I mean that seriously. Small communities retain their culture much more effectively, and that applies to those facing adversity too. And as for workers, it's the other way around: many Spaniards work in Gibraltar. There is not much work in Spain.
Anyway, it will never become a military situation. Trying to take Gibraltar militarily is not only impossible for Spain but would also result in Spain being completely isolated internationally. It was legally ceded centuries ago and the people voted 99% against shared rule with Spain. For the UK to agree to shared rule would be politically impossible and against everything that the UK stands for.
![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Gibraltar_Tercentenary_flag_display.jpg?1491076714915)
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Spain10132 Posts
The reason you will not see a co-sovereignity is because there is absolutely nothing Spain has to to bargain for it, except being annoying with the border controls. Gibraltar's economy is based on the financial sector and 90% of them are produced in the UK, they are not taking a hit any further than the UK from the Brexit anyways (if it actually takes a hit from it...). They also feel english before anything else, so what's the point. I am pretty sure most of them despise the Spanish goverment aswell.
And obviously a military incursion is not going to happen..
For the UK to agree to shared rule would be politically impossible and against everything that the UK stands for. Indeed, the british like their tax havens more than anything ;p
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Huh. Guess the Spanish have less leverage than I thought.
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United States43278 Posts
Spanish have literally no leverage. They've got a better claim to France than they have Gibraltar and about as much chance of getting shared rule.
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None at all. But that won't stop then from being stubborn about it.
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On April 02 2017 04:35 LegalLord wrote: Spain probably has a really good chance of getting co-sovereignty of Gibraltar because of just how many people from Gibraltar go to Spain daily. Yes, talk shit about issues you don't understand, to further your agendas.
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You're mixing up wars. The Great Siege happened during the American War of Independence.
Not Spain's finest moment...
+ Show Spoiler +
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Probably theorycraft, but: If scotland were to become independent, is there a chance Gibraltar or some other overseas territories will consider joining them (with hopes of rejoining the EU) instead of remaining with the other parts of the UK?
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On April 03 2017 22:36 LightSpectra wrote:You're mixing up wars. The Great Siege happened during the American War of Independence. Not Spain's finest moment... + Show Spoiler +
I was referencing the war where Britain acquired Gibraltar 300 years ago.
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On April 03 2017 23:51 Mafe wrote: Probably theorycraft, but: If scotland were to become independent, is there a chance Gibraltar or some other overseas territories will consider joining them (with hopes of rejoining the EU) instead of remaining with the other parts of the UK? Short answer: no. The real benefit they get from being British territories is the weight of the British military/economy in general. Scotland cannot afford the kind of research/military bases that the UK can, and does not have the international weight to stand up for the interests of territories. Also, people who feel ideologically British are pretty much the antithesis of the SNP.
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Spain10132 Posts
On April 03 2017 08:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:+ Show Spoiler +https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/848588066172391424 This whole thing stinks to throwing balloons for people to admire while the real negotiations go on.
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