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On March 21 2017 10:19 bardtown wrote:It was made perfectly clear that leaving the EU meant regaining control of borders, trade and legislation. That can only happen outside the single market.
This is simply not true. In the months leading to and after the referendum, there was debate on what leaving meant. There was no soundbite as you have written it.
On March 21 2017 10:19 bardtown wrote:Notice how only Remain voters talk about soft Brexit.
It must be nice to live in your own little bubble. Debate from various media has centered on what leaving means and the possibilities therein. There is so much uncertainty, yet bardtown can claim to speak for the entire population of UK! Theresa's May government was essentially silent till a month ago.
On March 21 2017 10:19 bardtown wrote:It's just an excuse to try and stop the result of the referendum being carried out.
If a soft brexit occurs, just as if a hard brexit occurs, the result of the referendum would had been carried out as the question only asked whether to stay or leave. (Assuming that a referendum is the tyranny of the majority.) This is not really something that is debateable.
On March 21 2017 10:19 bardtown wrote:Even if there was a referendum it would come back in favour of leaving the single market, but the government that called for the referendum would completely lose the confidence of leave voters who are in no small part responsible for their 19 point lead in the opinion polls.
You cannot predict voters intentions. 52% against 48% is the reality. I have no idea where you get 19 points from whatever opinion poll. Why do you always pull some random-ass poll from your behind?
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On March 21 2017 08:17 Shield wrote: Any chance the government wants to be in the single market? I suspect they may try to look tough by announcing hard Brexit and no deal, but are they that crazy or is it a game of chicken as I think?
It's possible that is the government's intention, but that relies on the goodwill of EU nations, in which Theresa May's government has wasted away and antagonised by essentially talk nonsense for half a year.
Again, only a subset of Remainers think this is a legitimate talking point. I challenge you to find me a single leaflet or campaign video from any of the Leave groups that does not reference controlling borders, trade and legislation.
It is time to accept the result and focus on the future. Alternatively you can vote for the liberal democrats, the party who support a second referendum. Just bear in mind that they have less support than UKIP. And the Tories are 19 points ahead of Labour. In other words, now that we are back to parliamentary democracy the hard Brexit parties are completely dominant.
Conservatives are leading the polls over Labour. That's nothing new and is irrelevant. What is strange is your extrapolation that all those who voted to leave the EU supported a hard Brexit from this. It doesn't matter how much UKIP propaganda you post, it simply isn't true.
Again, I challenge you to find me a single leaflet or campaign video from any of the Leave groups that does not reference controlling borders, trade and legislation. This entire concept of hard/soft Brexit is the Remain side looking for an escape clause. There is not a single Leave campaigner advocating for a soft Brexit.
By the way, calling Andrew Neil/The Daily Politics UKIP propaganda just shows how ridiculous your position is.
I am sure that both campaign groups will reference borders, trade and legislation; whether on the leave or remain side. What's your point? That doesn't lead to that the leave voters all wished for a complete withdrawal from the EU. That you do personally does not extend to every single leave voter. There is nothing to suggest that those voted to leave want to completely leave the single market, voted to lose their abilty to work and live within the EU, voted against all of the benefits of the EU. Theresa's May government doesn't believe the leave voters wish tohave a complete exit either, otherwise it wouldn't be seeking to remain in the single market initially, and seeking special exemptions before being told repeatedly that the four pillars of the EU come together, not seperately.
Oh you appear to be completely unaware of who posted the video, but I guess you just randomly pulled a video from youtube. It's "UKIP debate". I mean have you even read the comments? They are disgusting. You associate yourself with such people; such is how you have degraded yourself.
interesting to note that these countries are also included in the US electronic restriction but the US also includes Dubai, Doha and a few other regions on top of what the UK is doing.
The UK agencies have a little more trust in the security in Dubai, perhaps? I don't know. At most this would be an inconvenience for terrorists, though, because they can detonate a similar device in their hold luggage on a timer or using their phone to set it off. Seems to be based on credible intelligence anyway, and you can hardly doubt that these countries are prime candidates for attacks. Not looking forward to flying to Lebanon. Don't think I'll fly direct from the UK at any rate.
I wonder how they came up with these Measurments... Will they change them every few hardware generations? Is there a certain size of Pads/Phone that is required to run hacking tools xD?
On March 21 2017 10:01 Shield wrote: So if leavers are such democrats, why don't they propose a Brexit referendum? Soft Brexit and hard Brexit. People will choose. Or are you afraid of democracy in this case?
It was made perfectly clear that leaving the EU meant regaining control of borders, trade and legislation. That can only happen outside the single market. Notice how only Remain voters talk about soft Brexit. It's just an excuse to try and stop the result of the referendum being carried out. Even if there was a referendum it would come back in favour of leaving the single market, but the government that called for the referendum would completely lose the confidence of leave voters who are in no small part responsible for their 19 point lead in the opinion polls.
I don't think you can prove that leavers will win a hard Brexit referendum. The only proof is to have a referendum. As I said, I think you're afraid democracy might not work for you in this case. Otherwise, why not? People should decide what the terms are not the government. If you say it should be the government, why did you have the referendum last year? Mix & match isn't really fair.
Again, only a subset of Remainers think this is a legitimate talking point. I challenge you to find me a single leaflet or campaign video from any of the Leave groups that does not reference controlling borders, trade and legislation.
It is time to accept the result and focus on the future. Alternatively you can vote for the liberal democrats, the party who support a second referendum. Just bear in mind that they have less support than UKIP. And the Tories are 19 points ahead of Labour. In other words, now that we are back to parliamentary democracy the hard Brexit parties are completely dominant.
Again, only a subset of Remainers think this is a legitimate talking point. I challenge you to find me a single leaflet or campaign video from any of the Leave groups that does not reference controlling borders, trade and legislation.
It is time to accept the result and focus on the future. Alternatively you can vote for the liberal democrats, the party who support a second referendum. Just bear in mind that they have less support than UKIP. And the Tories are 19 points ahead of Labour. In other words, now that we are back to parliamentary democracy the hard Brexit parties are completely dominant.
Is the tory/labor divide more about May and Brexit in a positive sense, or Corbyn and the Labor platform in a negative sense?
Labour have imploded. They had a civil war over Corbyn with the Parliamentary Labour party going into full revolt. Right now an awful lot of Labour voters are very unhappy with their own MPs. It's a mess. The parliamentary party, party leadership and party public are at war, to the profit of the Conservative party. Cameron at least had the sense to get out of the way quietly.
Again, only a subset of Remainers think this is a legitimate talking point. I challenge you to find me a single leaflet or campaign video from any of the Leave groups that does not reference controlling borders, trade and legislation.
It is time to accept the result and focus on the future. Alternatively you can vote for the liberal democrats, the party who support a second referendum. Just bear in mind that they have less support than UKIP. And the Tories are 19 points ahead of Labour. In other words, now that we are back to parliamentary democracy the hard Brexit parties are completely dominant.
Is the tory/labor divide more about May and Brexit in a positive sense, or Corbyn and the Labor platform in a negative sense?
Corbyn is almost certainly the more significant factor of the two, but the Brexit stance makes the Tories the only real option for moderate Leave voters, which is a huge voting bloc.
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