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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 02:40:36
June 24 2016 02:40 GMT
#2081
On June 24 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
???


In a strange twist of fate the new independence day movie is out Friday, 24th June in the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
June 24 2016 02:41 GMT
#2082
when is London supposed to come in?
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 02:41:35
June 24 2016 02:41 GMT
#2083
On June 24 2016 11:35 KwarK wrote:
Scotland is naturally extremely pro-European and the strong independence movement is too. I can explain why in more depth to any Americans interested but they were always going to vote remain and if they vote remain and the UK does actually attempt to leave (unlikely) the odds are good that Scotland will stay.


Is it your supposition that this vote is meaningless then (or are you saying Leave winning the vote is unlikely?)?
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
June 24 2016 02:42 GMT
#2084
On June 24 2016 11:38 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 11:34 m4ini wrote:
On June 24 2016 11:31 KwarK wrote:
On June 24 2016 11:28 m4ini wrote:
Sidenote, i don't know if anyone noticed, a small but really funny fact, in regards to sovereignty and stuff (you know, the thing the whole fuzz is about).

One entire country in the UK voted with big majority for "stay". Isn't that wonderfully ironic that it actually doesn't matter, because sovereignty gets only called for if it suits people?

We are not a federal state, we are a unitary state. Sovereignty only exists in the person of the queen (and Westminster, on her behalf). All other power is devolved from that single source.

England does not have any power, nor Scotland, nor Northern Ireland, nor Wales. Only Westminster. The people demanding sovereignty back are not demanding it back for any specific country, they are demanding it be returned to Westminster. So not, it's not ironic, it's simply the way the UK works. We're a constitutional monarchy, not a federation.


Yeah. Right. Because as we remember, it CLEARLY wasn't about sovereignty in the last referendum the scots held. Right? Right. Must've dreamed that then.

edit:

If I'm not mistaken didn't the Scots vote to remain united politically with England? At least England let's their constituencies have such a choice, unlike the in toto US where the threat of death is levied upon folks who want to leave DC politically.


Yes. Ask yourself how that would've turned out if they knew then what'd happen today.


I'm sure they can always take another vote on the issue if it suits their fancy. How about you let Texas have a vote on if they can leave DC? Or Alaska, or New Hampshire, etc. Certainly, England on this front is vastly ahead of other similar countries (re: US/Canada/etc.). I wonder if Canada will ever let Quebec have a vote if they want to leave.


Quebec did have a vote on independence in 1995. They decided to remain but it was extremely close (0.5%)
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 24 2016 02:42 GMT
#2085
On June 24 2016 11:40 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 11:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
???

https://twitter.com/EnemyWithinn/status/746170214388228096

In a strange twist of fate the new independence day movie is out Friday, 24th June in the UK.


That's pretty funny

As someone completely ignorant about this vote, what exactly does it mean and why are certain demographics of the U.K. strongly supporting leave vs stay?
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
June 24 2016 02:42 GMT
#2086
On June 24 2016 11:41 Espers wrote:
when is London supposed to come in?


manc/london in about an hour.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 02:43:26
June 24 2016 02:42 GMT
#2087
Leave up by over 500,000 and the lead increases by thousands, sometimes a few tens of thousands, every time I refresh which is about every 30 seconds.

It's over. Probably.

no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
June 24 2016 02:42 GMT
#2088
Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ
Sheffield is 51% Leave. It was predicted to go Remain on 52% #euref
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
June 24 2016 02:43 GMT
#2089
On June 24 2016 11:41 Espers wrote:
when is London supposed to come in?


London is somewhere near 8m people so they come in intermittently. At present it looks unlikely that what's left of London can swing it.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
June 24 2016 02:43 GMT
#2090
On June 24 2016 11:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The best outcome for Scotland is brexit, followed by an exit from the UK.That is true independence.


That would spell disaster for the rest of the UK. I doubt they let that happen. But it'll be fun to see the hypocrites in in full force.
On track to MA1950A.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 24 2016 02:43 GMT
#2091
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
June 24 2016 02:44 GMT
#2092
On June 24 2016 11:42 Vin{MBL} wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 11:38 Wegandi wrote:
On June 24 2016 11:34 m4ini wrote:
On June 24 2016 11:31 KwarK wrote:
On June 24 2016 11:28 m4ini wrote:
Sidenote, i don't know if anyone noticed, a small but really funny fact, in regards to sovereignty and stuff (you know, the thing the whole fuzz is about).

One entire country in the UK voted with big majority for "stay". Isn't that wonderfully ironic that it actually doesn't matter, because sovereignty gets only called for if it suits people?

We are not a federal state, we are a unitary state. Sovereignty only exists in the person of the queen (and Westminster, on her behalf). All other power is devolved from that single source.

England does not have any power, nor Scotland, nor Northern Ireland, nor Wales. Only Westminster. The people demanding sovereignty back are not demanding it back for any specific country, they are demanding it be returned to Westminster. So not, it's not ironic, it's simply the way the UK works. We're a constitutional monarchy, not a federation.


Yeah. Right. Because as we remember, it CLEARLY wasn't about sovereignty in the last referendum the scots held. Right? Right. Must've dreamed that then.

edit:

If I'm not mistaken didn't the Scots vote to remain united politically with England? At least England let's their constituencies have such a choice, unlike the in toto US where the threat of death is levied upon folks who want to leave DC politically.


Yes. Ask yourself how that would've turned out if they knew then what'd happen today.


I'm sure they can always take another vote on the issue if it suits their fancy. How about you let Texas have a vote on if they can leave DC? Or Alaska, or New Hampshire, etc. Certainly, England on this front is vastly ahead of other similar countries (re: US/Canada/etc.). I wonder if Canada will ever let Quebec have a vote if they want to leave.


Quebec did have a vote on independence in 1995. They decided to remain but it was extremely close (0.5%)


Good to know, but was it a binding vote (e.g. that the Government of Canada would have abided by its results?)?
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 24 2016 02:44 GMT
#2093
On June 24 2016 11:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/charlie1proctor/status/746170759131897856

Cost of autonomy
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 24 2016 02:44 GMT
#2094
On June 24 2016 11:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/charlie1proctor/status/746170759131897856

Hooray for investors terrified of political changes!
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 24 2016 02:45 GMT
#2095
On June 24 2016 11:43 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 11:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The best outcome for Scotland is brexit, followed by an exit from the UK.That is true independence.


That would spell disaster for the rest of the UK. I doubt they let that happen. But it'll be fun to see the hypocrites in in full force.


What are they going to do if they hold another referendum and choose to leave? Roll the tanks in?
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 02:46:43
June 24 2016 02:45 GMT
#2096
On June 24 2016 11:43 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 11:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The best outcome for Scotland is brexit, followed by an exit from the UK.That is true independence.


That would spell disaster for the rest of the UK. I doubt they let that happen. But it'll be fun to see the hypocrites in in full force.

Got if the vote goes through and they do exit, I hope it goes this route. Just for the Brave Heart memes.

Seriously, all reports is that it would really bad if they leave the EU, I hope it doesnt' happen. Recessions are no fun.

On June 24 2016 11:45 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 11:43 m4ini wrote:
On June 24 2016 11:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The best outcome for Scotland is brexit, followed by an exit from the UK.That is true independence.


That would spell disaster for the rest of the UK. I doubt they let that happen. But it'll be fun to see the hypocrites in in full force.


What are they going to do if they hold another referendum and choose to leave? Roll the tanks in?

Yes. And then remain with the EU. And a laugh.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 24 2016 02:46 GMT
#2097
Matthew Goodwin
GoodwinMJ
The Remain vote overall is down 2.5 pts on their forecast share in 50-50 model #euref @CaitlinMilazzo
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 24 2016 02:47 GMT
#2098
On June 24 2016 11:44 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 11:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/charlie1proctor/status/746170759131897856

Hooray for investors terrified of political changes!

Dude, I've had money in the market for cancer drugs and Blizz/Activision. It is so dumb what will spook people with money
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
June 24 2016 02:48 GMT
#2099
On June 24 2016 11:43 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 11:39 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
The best outcome for Scotland is brexit, followed by an exit from the UK.That is true independence.


That would spell disaster for the rest of the UK. I doubt they let that happen. But it'll be fun to see the hypocrites in in full force.


I'm sure they exist, but historically, small nation states tend to do well economically because they generally have to compete better than larger states which means they tend to be more market oriented (re: Italian city-states, German city-states, places like Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, etc.). The world isn't going to fall apart if there are more local political units.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 02:49:12
June 24 2016 02:48 GMT
#2100
Noel Gallagher on Brexit Referendum - "What are you asking the people for? 99 percent of the people are thick as pig shit."

half the people at the polling station i went to didn't even know they wanted
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