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{CC}StealthBlue
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CorsairHero
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KwarK
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On June 24 2016 11:28 m4ini wrote: Sidenote, i don't know if anyone noticed, a small but really funny fact, in regards to sovereignty and stuff (you know, the thing the whole fuzz is about). One entire country in the UK voted with big majority for "stay". Isn't that wonderfully ironic that it actually doesn't matter, because sovereignty gets only called for if it suits people? We are not a federal state, we are a unitary state. Sovereignty only exists in the person of the queen (and Westminster, on her behalf). All other power is devolved from that single source. England does not have any power, nor Scotland, nor Northern Ireland, nor Wales. Only Westminster. The people demanding sovereignty back are not demanding it back for any specific country, they are demanding it be returned to Westminster. So not, it's not ironic, it's simply the way the UK works. We're a constitutional monarchy, not a federation. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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NocturneMage
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On June 24 2016 11:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So Sheffield voted leave is that bad? And doesn't this mean the UK is fucked either way as the vote wasn't supposed to be this close.... most of the midlands/yorkshire/east england was heavily expected to leave. remain campaign knew that for ages. edit: and yes I'd say so | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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KwarK
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On June 24 2016 11:30 CorsairHero wrote: why does scotland want to remain in contrast to the other areas Scotland is considerably to the left of England and the common EU policies ensure Scottish freedom from English economic interference. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On June 24 2016 11:28 m4ini wrote: Sidenote, i don't know if anyone noticed, a small but really funny fact, in regards to sovereignty and stuff (you know, the thing the whole fuzz is about). One entire country in the UK voted with big majority for "stay". Isn't that wonderfully ironic that it actually doesn't matter, because sovereignty gets only called for if it suits people? Nah, i think that ship is sailed. I love that the Vale of Glamorgan voted pro-EU though, even if only close. Turns out, i chose wisely when i "chose" my wife. If I'm not mistaken didn't the Scots vote to remain united politically with England? At least England let's their constituencies have such a choice, unlike the in toto US where the threat of death is levied upon folks who want to leave DC politically. | ||
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m4ini
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On June 24 2016 11:31 KwarK wrote: We are not a federal state, we are a unitary state. Sovereignty only exists in the person of the queen (and Westminster, on her behalf). All other power is devolved from that single source. England does not have any power, nor Scotland, nor Northern Ireland, nor Wales. Only Westminster. The people demanding sovereignty back are not demanding it back for any specific country, they are demanding it be returned to Westminster. So not, it's not ironic, it's simply the way the UK works. We're a constitutional monarchy, not a federation. Yeah. Right. Because as we remember, it CLEARLY wasn't about sovereignty in the last referendum the scots held. Right? Right. Must've dreamed that then. edit: If I'm not mistaken didn't the Scots vote to remain united politically with England? At least England let's their constituencies have such a choice, unlike the in toto US where the threat of death is levied upon folks who want to leave DC politically. Yes. Ask yourself how that would've turned out if they knew then what'd happen today. | ||
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Zaros
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On June 24 2016 11:31 NocturneMage wrote: most of the midlands was heavily expected to leave. remain campaign knew that for ages. Sheffield is a huge result for leave its a university city and the home of nick clegg arch europhile. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
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KwarK
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KwarK
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On June 24 2016 11:34 m4ini wrote: Yeah. Right. Because as we remember, it CLEARLY wasn't about sovereignty in the last referendum the scots held. Right? Right. Must've dreamed that then. Yeah, the Scots were asking for some because they didn't have any. Which is exactly what I'm saying. The Scots have no sovereignty to be returned from the EU, only Westminster has that. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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On June 24 2016 11:35 KwarK wrote: Scotland is naturally extremely pro-European and the strong independence movement is too. I can explain why in more depth to any Americans interested but they were always going to vote remain and if they vote remain and the UK does actually attempt to leave (unlikely) the odds are good that Scotland will stay. I'd be interested in this. | ||
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NocturneMage
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On June 24 2016 11:34 Zaros wrote: Sheffield is a huge result for leave its a university city and the home of nick clegg arch europhile. meh true, you're right. no matter how you slice it though it's looking more and more like leave will be it unless the remaining london boroughs turn up hard for remain. remain now nope, now 550k. | ||
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m4ini
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On June 24 2016 11:36 KwarK wrote: Yeah, the Scots were asking for some because they didn't have any. Which is exactly what I'm saying. The Scots have no sovereignty to be returned from the EU, only Westminster has that. Might be my english, but that sentence doesn't make sense to me. "To be returned from the EU"? edit: or it's too late. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Wegandi
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On June 24 2016 11:34 m4ini wrote: Yeah. Right. Because as we remember, it CLEARLY wasn't about sovereignty in the last referendum the scots held. Right? Right. Must've dreamed that then. edit: Yes. Ask yourself how that would've turned out if they knew then what'd happen today. I'm sure they can always take another vote on the issue if it suits their fancy. How about you let Texas have a vote on if they can leave DC? Or Alaska, or New Hampshire, etc. Certainly, England on this front is vastly ahead of other similar countries (re: US/Canada/etc.). I wonder if Canada will ever let Quebec have a vote if they want to leave. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
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showstealer1829
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On June 24 2016 11:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So Sheffield voted leave is that bad? And doesn't this mean the UK is fucked either way as the vote wasn't supposed to be this close.... Sheffield was meant to be 52-48. Ended 51-49 leave. Indicative of what has happened really, Remain isn't getting the numbers it needs from its strongholds (Because the turnout is down) and they're leaking votes in the marginal calls | ||
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