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On June 28 2013 11:45 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:39 sorrowptoss wrote:On June 28 2013 11:29 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:09 sorrowptoss wrote:
Pauline Marois's retardedly stubborn government is totally ruining the province and the reputation of Canada as an open, free and democratic country. Pathetic policies that are irrationally founded on a completely dead sovereignist movement. And that's assuming that the severely butchered pseudo-french that the quebeckers speak here in Quebec is considered French in the first place. What a failure. Why insult our pseudo-french? It wouldn't be that way if we hadn't gotten fucked until like the 60's... It always makes me laugh when people criticize our butchered language... guess how it got like that. We got shit on for well over a hundred years because why be humane with a conquered people? We have a fair share of racists and bigots (that sticks for a while after a culture gets told to "speak white [english]" for speaking French in public in Montreal all the way up to the 60's). This anger toward the English-speaking canadians has led to a huge portion of the rest of Canada to treat us like scum and discriminating against us too. You people are just disgusting as our shitheads sometimes. Well it's funny because automotically assumed that I wasn't from Quebec. I'm from Montreal and I'm currently living in Montreal and I am more francophone than anglophone. I'm just being dead honest with the french that I myself speak. I'm not trying to be mean or anything either. I don't think it's useful to talk down our language... it's admittedly butchered French but I don't think anyone can blame us for having butchered it. Things were lined up for that language to die off.
Yes I agree, but what I was saying was that Pauline Marois isn't making it any better, especially with the new policies.
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Languages evolve. It's just a "dialect".
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On June 28 2013 11:48 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:43 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:38 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 10:35 a176 wrote:
Quebec does have a language gestapo to enforce francophone as the primary language ... but this is the first ive heard of something like this going so far. This language issue is really ridiculous, its entirely authoritarian and foreign. It's like something out of Russia, or whatever. How the fuck do these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society? Well I like to think that most measures of promotion of French are not too bad, although some laws are indeed pretty ridiculous. But the reason why these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society is because there's a backwash of bad blood that remains from the old days when Quebecers were oppressed. It doesn't justify it at all because it's no longer the case, but that's why. Let's not forget that the rivality is still strong. It's easy to be a simpleton and view the quebecers as the bad guys and the canadians as perfectly great people who are irritated at those mean quebecer dicks... But both sides feel like the others are disrespectful to them, which only feeds the fire. Perhaps quebecers are more guilty but it's not going to stop. Just reading this thread, it's quite obvious that many, many people, even Canadians, are incredibly bitter against pretty much the whole lot of us. Insulting our French for instance is just a dick move. Were bitter about Quebec politics, no one holds enmity towards individual quebecers though. No one heres 'oh hes from Quebec' and thinks less of anyone. And I blame politicians outside of Quebec just as much as ones inside it for the current state of affairs. If we hadn't bent over backwards so often and given validation to more and more demands, I think we'd be in a hell of a lot better position.
Well then many will argue that we elect our politicians democratically and so they have popular support. The thing is, obviously we vote for an entire platform, and so some laws which are undesirable for most of us still make it through the assemblée nationale, unfortunately.
On June 28 2013 11:48 sorrowptoss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:45 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:39 sorrowptoss wrote:On June 28 2013 11:29 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:09 sorrowptoss wrote:
Pauline Marois's retardedly stubborn government is totally ruining the province and the reputation of Canada as an open, free and democratic country. Pathetic policies that are irrationally founded on a completely dead sovereignist movement. And that's assuming that the severely butchered pseudo-french that the quebeckers speak here in Quebec is considered French in the first place. What a failure. Why insult our pseudo-french? It wouldn't be that way if we hadn't gotten fucked until like the 60's... It always makes me laugh when people criticize our butchered language... guess how it got like that. We got shit on for well over a hundred years because why be humane with a conquered people? We have a fair share of racists and bigots (that sticks for a while after a culture gets told to "speak white [english]" for speaking French in public in Montreal all the way up to the 60's). This anger toward the English-speaking canadians has led to a huge portion of the rest of Canada to treat us like scum and discriminating against us too. You people are just disgusting as our shitheads sometimes. Well it's funny because automotically assumed that I wasn't from Quebec. I'm from Montreal and I'm currently living in Montreal and I am more francophone than anglophone. I'm just being dead honest with the french that I myself speak. I'm not trying to be mean or anything either. I don't think it's useful to talk down our language... it's admittedly butchered French but I don't think anyone can blame us for having butchered it. Things were lined up for that language to die off. Yes I agree, but what I was saying was that Pauline Marois isn't making it any better, especially with the new policies.
True.
On June 28 2013 11:48 MooMu wrote:
Languages evolve. It's just a "dialect".
Sure, then our dialect evolves. 
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On June 28 2013 11:49 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:48 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 11:43 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:38 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 10:35 a176 wrote:
Quebec does have a language gestapo to enforce francophone as the primary language ... but this is the first ive heard of something like this going so far. This language issue is really ridiculous, its entirely authoritarian and foreign. It's like something out of Russia, or whatever. How the fuck do these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society? Well I like to think that most measures of promotion of French are not too bad, although some laws are indeed pretty ridiculous. But the reason why these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society is because there's a backwash of bad blood that remains from the old days when Quebecers were oppressed. It doesn't justify it at all because it's no longer the case, but that's why. Let's not forget that the rivality is still strong. It's easy to be a simpleton and view the quebecers as the bad guys and the canadians as perfectly great people who are irritated at those mean quebecer dicks... But both sides feel like the others are disrespectful to them, which only feeds the fire. Perhaps quebecers are more guilty but it's not going to stop. Just reading this thread, it's quite obvious that many, many people, even Canadians, are incredibly bitter against pretty much the whole lot of us. Insulting our French for instance is just a dick move. Were bitter about Quebec politics, no one holds enmity towards individual quebecers though. No one heres 'oh hes from Quebec' and thinks less of anyone. And I blame politicians outside of Quebec just as much as ones inside it for the current state of affairs. If we hadn't bent over backwards so often and given validation to more and more demands, I think we'd be in a hell of a lot better position. Well then many will argue that we elect our politicians democratically and so they have popular support. The thing is, obviously we vote for an entire platform, and so some laws which are undesirable for most of us still make it through the assemblée nationale, unfortunately. Yep. I did read that provincial politics are increasingly falling on right-left divides as opposed to nationalist/federalist lines, is that true? Things will eventually sort themselves out politically..
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On June 28 2013 11:51 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:49 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:48 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 11:43 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:38 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 10:35 a176 wrote:
Quebec does have a language gestapo to enforce francophone as the primary language ... but this is the first ive heard of something like this going so far. This language issue is really ridiculous, its entirely authoritarian and foreign. It's like something out of Russia, or whatever. How the fuck do these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society? Well I like to think that most measures of promotion of French are not too bad, although some laws are indeed pretty ridiculous. But the reason why these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society is because there's a backwash of bad blood that remains from the old days when Quebecers were oppressed. It doesn't justify it at all because it's no longer the case, but that's why. Let's not forget that the rivality is still strong. It's easy to be a simpleton and view the quebecers as the bad guys and the canadians as perfectly great people who are irritated at those mean quebecer dicks... But both sides feel like the others are disrespectful to them, which only feeds the fire. Perhaps quebecers are more guilty but it's not going to stop. Just reading this thread, it's quite obvious that many, many people, even Canadians, are incredibly bitter against pretty much the whole lot of us. Insulting our French for instance is just a dick move. Were bitter about Quebec politics, no one holds enmity towards individual quebecers though. No one heres 'oh hes from Quebec' and thinks less of anyone. And I blame politicians outside of Quebec just as much as ones inside it for the current state of affairs. If we hadn't bent over backwards so often and given validation to more and more demands, I think we'd be in a hell of a lot better position. Well then many will argue that we elect our politicians democratically and so they have popular support. The thing is, obviously we vote for an entire platform, and so some laws which are undesirable for most of us still make it through the assemblée nationale, unfortunately. Yep. I did read that provincial politics are increasingly falling on right-left divides as opposed to nationalist/federalist lines, is that true? Things will eventually sort themselves out politically..
There are efforts to bring the debate back to the left/right, but the separation/federalism debate is still going on, and since there aren't many parties, many people have views which are fundamentally incompatible with at least one axis of all serious political platforms which are offered. They still vote and they hate it.
If you're on the left in Quebec, as many of us, there's only the PQ, which is also a separatist party... so if you want to vote for the left, you're also voting for the a rather confused QC nationalist party. The alternative is the right - and fuck that IMO.
I'm personally quite boned.
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When I read this I had to think of "Les Assassins des Fauteuils Rollents (A.F.R.)" from David Foster Wallace' "Infinite Jest". Anybody with me? o/
+ Show Spoiler +The erroneous French is intended
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Um I might be misunderstanding things but this seems perfectly natural to me?
I'm a phd student in the US and groups lead by Chinese PIs with mostly Chinese students are still expected to work in English for the benefit of the non Chinese people in the group, as they damn well should.
If French is the official language in Montreal expecting people to work in French makes a lot of sense.
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On June 28 2013 11:53 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:51 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 11:49 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:48 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 11:43 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:38 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 10:35 a176 wrote:
Quebec does have a language gestapo to enforce francophone as the primary language ... but this is the first ive heard of something like this going so far. This language issue is really ridiculous, its entirely authoritarian and foreign. It's like something out of Russia, or whatever. How the fuck do these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society? Well I like to think that most measures of promotion of French are not too bad, although some laws are indeed pretty ridiculous. But the reason why these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society is because there's a backwash of bad blood that remains from the old days when Quebecers were oppressed. It doesn't justify it at all because it's no longer the case, but that's why. Let's not forget that the rivality is still strong. It's easy to be a simpleton and view the quebecers as the bad guys and the canadians as perfectly great people who are irritated at those mean quebecer dicks... But both sides feel like the others are disrespectful to them, which only feeds the fire. Perhaps quebecers are more guilty but it's not going to stop. Just reading this thread, it's quite obvious that many, many people, even Canadians, are incredibly bitter against pretty much the whole lot of us. Insulting our French for instance is just a dick move. Were bitter about Quebec politics, no one holds enmity towards individual quebecers though. No one heres 'oh hes from Quebec' and thinks less of anyone. And I blame politicians outside of Quebec just as much as ones inside it for the current state of affairs. If we hadn't bent over backwards so often and given validation to more and more demands, I think we'd be in a hell of a lot better position. Well then many will argue that we elect our politicians democratically and so they have popular support. The thing is, obviously we vote for an entire platform, and so some laws which are undesirable for most of us still make it through the assemblée nationale, unfortunately. Yep. I did read that provincial politics are increasingly falling on right-left divides as opposed to nationalist/federalist lines, is that true? Things will eventually sort themselves out politically.. There are efforts to bring the debate back to the left/right, but the separation/federalism debate is still going on, and since there aren't many parties, many people have views which are fundamentally incompatible with at least one axis of all serious political platforms which are offered. They still vote and they hate it. If you're on the left in Quebec, as many of us, there's only the PQ, which is also a separatist party... so if you want to vote for the left, you're also voting for the a rather confused QC nationalist party. The alternative is the right - and fuck that IMO. I'm personally quite boned.
Y'all took well to that orange party, though, in the last election, no? I knew you were all a bunch of pinko communists.
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On June 28 2013 11:54 KlaCkoN wrote:
Um I might be misunderstanding things but this seems perfectly natural to me?
I'm a phd student in the US and groups lead by Chinese PIs with mostly Chinese students are still expected to work in English for the benefit of the non Chinese people in the group, as they damn well should.
If French is the official language in Montreal expecting people to work in French makes a lot of sense.
Please read the OP. The employees are expected to speak French even on their lunch breaks. Last I checked, employees aren't working when they're eating lunch (at the place where I work, employees clock out when they go to lunch, so it would be illegal for a manager to require them to do any duties of employment).
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On June 28 2013 11:58 MooMu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:53 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:51 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 11:49 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:48 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 11:43 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:38 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 10:35 a176 wrote:
Quebec does have a language gestapo to enforce francophone as the primary language ... but this is the first ive heard of something like this going so far. This language issue is really ridiculous, its entirely authoritarian and foreign. It's like something out of Russia, or whatever. How the fuck do these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society? Well I like to think that most measures of promotion of French are not too bad, although some laws are indeed pretty ridiculous. But the reason why these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society is because there's a backwash of bad blood that remains from the old days when Quebecers were oppressed. It doesn't justify it at all because it's no longer the case, but that's why. Let's not forget that the rivality is still strong. It's easy to be a simpleton and view the quebecers as the bad guys and the canadians as perfectly great people who are irritated at those mean quebecer dicks... But both sides feel like the others are disrespectful to them, which only feeds the fire. Perhaps quebecers are more guilty but it's not going to stop. Just reading this thread, it's quite obvious that many, many people, even Canadians, are incredibly bitter against pretty much the whole lot of us. Insulting our French for instance is just a dick move. Were bitter about Quebec politics, no one holds enmity towards individual quebecers though. No one heres 'oh hes from Quebec' and thinks less of anyone. And I blame politicians outside of Quebec just as much as ones inside it for the current state of affairs. If we hadn't bent over backwards so often and given validation to more and more demands, I think we'd be in a hell of a lot better position. Well then many will argue that we elect our politicians democratically and so they have popular support. The thing is, obviously we vote for an entire platform, and so some laws which are undesirable for most of us still make it through the assemblée nationale, unfortunately. Yep. I did read that provincial politics are increasingly falling on right-left divides as opposed to nationalist/federalist lines, is that true? Things will eventually sort themselves out politically.. There are efforts to bring the debate back to the left/right, but the separation/federalism debate is still going on, and since there aren't many parties, many people have views which are fundamentally incompatible with at least one axis of all serious political platforms which are offered. They still vote and they hate it. If you're on the left in Quebec, as many of us, there's only the PQ, which is also a separatist party... so if you want to vote for the left, you're also voting for the a rather confused QC nationalist party. The alternative is the right - and fuck that IMO. I'm personally quite boned. Y'all took well to that orange party, though, in the last election, no? I knew you were all a bunch of pinko communists.
Well Quebecers have a lot of feels and Layton looked like a great guy. But I think you can understand why we'd vote for the NDP, being dem crazy socialists.
That said that's a federal party and it's a different story entirely. If anything, the wild decline of the Bloc Quebecois should be encouraging.
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On June 28 2013 11:59 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:58 MooMu wrote:On June 28 2013 11:53 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:51 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 11:49 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:48 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 11:43 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:38 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 10:35 a176 wrote:
Quebec does have a language gestapo to enforce francophone as the primary language ... but this is the first ive heard of something like this going so far. This language issue is really ridiculous, its entirely authoritarian and foreign. It's like something out of Russia, or whatever. How the fuck do these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society? Well I like to think that most measures of promotion of French are not too bad, although some laws are indeed pretty ridiculous. But the reason why these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society is because there's a backwash of bad blood that remains from the old days when Quebecers were oppressed. It doesn't justify it at all because it's no longer the case, but that's why. Let's not forget that the rivality is still strong. It's easy to be a simpleton and view the quebecers as the bad guys and the canadians as perfectly great people who are irritated at those mean quebecer dicks... But both sides feel like the others are disrespectful to them, which only feeds the fire. Perhaps quebecers are more guilty but it's not going to stop. Just reading this thread, it's quite obvious that many, many people, even Canadians, are incredibly bitter against pretty much the whole lot of us. Insulting our French for instance is just a dick move. Were bitter about Quebec politics, no one holds enmity towards individual quebecers though. No one heres 'oh hes from Quebec' and thinks less of anyone. And I blame politicians outside of Quebec just as much as ones inside it for the current state of affairs. If we hadn't bent over backwards so often and given validation to more and more demands, I think we'd be in a hell of a lot better position. Well then many will argue that we elect our politicians democratically and so they have popular support. The thing is, obviously we vote for an entire platform, and so some laws which are undesirable for most of us still make it through the assemblée nationale, unfortunately. Yep. I did read that provincial politics are increasingly falling on right-left divides as opposed to nationalist/federalist lines, is that true? Things will eventually sort themselves out politically.. There are efforts to bring the debate back to the left/right, but the separation/federalism debate is still going on, and since there aren't many parties, many people have views which are fundamentally incompatible with at least one axis of all serious political platforms which are offered. They still vote and they hate it. If you're on the left in Quebec, as many of us, there's only the PQ, which is also a separatist party... so if you want to vote for the left, you're also voting for the a rather confused QC nationalist party. The alternative is the right - and fuck that IMO. I'm personally quite boned. Y'all took well to that orange party, though, in the last election, no? I knew you were all a bunch of pinko communists. Well Quebecers have a lot of feels and Layton looked like a great guy. But I think you can understand why we'd vote for the NDP, being dem crazy socialists. That said that's a federal party and it's a different story entirely. If anything, the wild decline of the Bloc Quebecois should be encouraging.
I'm very curious of the next election results in Quebec. It seemed to me people there voted more for Layton than the party, but the backlash, if I can call it that, against the separatists probably contributed a lot to that result.
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Im french canadian and i think its fair enough if the IGA is located where peoples are mostly french.
I mean only when you are on the floor, you are at clients disposal..
I wouldnt mind working somewhere where i would need to speak english only on the floor...
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On June 28 2013 11:59 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:54 KlaCkoN wrote:
Um I might be misunderstanding things but this seems perfectly natural to me?
I'm a phd student in the US and groups lead by Chinese PIs with mostly Chinese students are still expected to work in English for the benefit of the non Chinese people in the group, as they damn well should.
If French is the official language in Montreal expecting people to work in French makes a lot of sense. Please read the OP. The employees are expected to speak French even on their lunch breaks. Last I checked, employees aren't working when they're eating lunch (at the place where I work, employees clock out when they go to lunch, so it would be illegal for a manager to require them to do any duties of employment).
I did read it. And yes it still makes sense? A work environment where people regularly speak a non official language is just weird. It's not like people don't discuss work at lunch break, and speaking English would shut out people not fluent in it, thus putting them at a serious disadvantage in the company game.
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Eh? Seems really fine to me, it's a private employer, they have the right to choose what official language you have to speak while working at their institution. Seems really over blown. When I apply for a job or a transfer or internship at another school or area I'm pretty much expected to learn that language and converse in it solely. It's not so much a freedom issue as a cultural identity and practicality issue.
So for instance in Shenzhen starting from the 90's, the government wanted to enforce one common dialect across the country so that the country can finally have an official language instead of having hundreds of regional dialects where it's impossible for foreigners to learn. So they made it compulsory for everyone to speak this specific dialect, even though Shenzhen is right next to Hong Kong and with in the Guangdong Province which speaks Cantonese. All schools enforced it rather strictly, but it standardized the language and preserved a sense of national identity in a extremely developmental city that was to be one of China's most important commercial centers.
That dialect is Mandarin, now seen as the official language of mainland China, and synonymous with "Chinese".
Go figure.
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Living near Mexico, I can't imagine any employer trying to prohibit Spanish employees from communicating with each other in Spanish. Granted, it would make a lot of employees notably less efficient since they'd be speaking broken English to one another...
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On June 28 2013 12:03 MooMu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:59 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:58 MooMu wrote:On June 28 2013 11:53 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:51 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 11:49 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:48 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 11:43 Djzapz wrote:On June 28 2013 11:38 Dazed_Spy wrote:On June 28 2013 10:35 a176 wrote:
Quebec does have a language gestapo to enforce francophone as the primary language ... but this is the first ive heard of something like this going so far. This language issue is really ridiculous, its entirely authoritarian and foreign. It's like something out of Russia, or whatever. How the fuck do these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society? Well I like to think that most measures of promotion of French are not too bad, although some laws are indeed pretty ridiculous. But the reason why these notions survive in an otherwise civilized society is because there's a backwash of bad blood that remains from the old days when Quebecers were oppressed. It doesn't justify it at all because it's no longer the case, but that's why. Let's not forget that the rivality is still strong. It's easy to be a simpleton and view the quebecers as the bad guys and the canadians as perfectly great people who are irritated at those mean quebecer dicks... But both sides feel like the others are disrespectful to them, which only feeds the fire. Perhaps quebecers are more guilty but it's not going to stop. Just reading this thread, it's quite obvious that many, many people, even Canadians, are incredibly bitter against pretty much the whole lot of us. Insulting our French for instance is just a dick move. Were bitter about Quebec politics, no one holds enmity towards individual quebecers though. No one heres 'oh hes from Quebec' and thinks less of anyone. And I blame politicians outside of Quebec just as much as ones inside it for the current state of affairs. If we hadn't bent over backwards so often and given validation to more and more demands, I think we'd be in a hell of a lot better position. Well then many will argue that we elect our politicians democratically and so they have popular support. The thing is, obviously we vote for an entire platform, and so some laws which are undesirable for most of us still make it through the assemblée nationale, unfortunately. Yep. I did read that provincial politics are increasingly falling on right-left divides as opposed to nationalist/federalist lines, is that true? Things will eventually sort themselves out politically.. There are efforts to bring the debate back to the left/right, but the separation/federalism debate is still going on, and since there aren't many parties, many people have views which are fundamentally incompatible with at least one axis of all serious political platforms which are offered. They still vote and they hate it. If you're on the left in Quebec, as many of us, there's only the PQ, which is also a separatist party... so if you want to vote for the left, you're also voting for the a rather confused QC nationalist party. The alternative is the right - and fuck that IMO. I'm personally quite boned. Y'all took well to that orange party, though, in the last election, no? I knew you were all a bunch of pinko communists. Well Quebecers have a lot of feels and Layton looked like a great guy. But I think you can understand why we'd vote for the NDP, being dem crazy socialists. That said that's a federal party and it's a different story entirely. If anything, the wild decline of the Bloc Quebecois should be encouraging. I'm very curious of the next election results in Quebec. It seemed to me people there voted more for Layton than the party, but the backlash, if I can call it that, against the separatists probably contributed a lot to that result.
Yes Layton's personality got the NDP a lot of support. I'm curious about the next federal elections also, I really don't know what's going to happen. It seems like we're going to be out of options.
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We should look back at "Pastagate"
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On June 28 2013 11:12 SnipedSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:10 RowdierBob wrote:It's funny, I travelled through Quebec last year and there was a weird tension between the English and French. There was a definite antipathy for me in some places when I spoke English. My Aussie accent couldn't even save me  It wasn't because you spoke English, it was because you're an Aussie. Sorry, mate!
Canadians hate Aussies too? I really know nothing about Canada, except that there are penguins and they hate Americans.
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On June 28 2013 12:03 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 11:59 codonbyte wrote:On June 28 2013 11:54 KlaCkoN wrote:
Um I might be misunderstanding things but this seems perfectly natural to me?
I'm a phd student in the US and groups lead by Chinese PIs with mostly Chinese students are still expected to work in English for the benefit of the non Chinese people in the group, as they damn well should.
If French is the official language in Montreal expecting people to work in French makes a lot of sense. Please read the OP. The employees are expected to speak French even on their lunch breaks. Last I checked, employees aren't working when they're eating lunch (at the place where I work, employees clock out when they go to lunch, so it would be illegal for a manager to require them to do any duties of employment). I did read it. And yes it still makes sense? A work environment where people regularly speak a non official language is just weird. It's not like people don't discuss work at lunch break, and speaking English would shut out people not fluent in it, thus putting them at a serious disadvantage in the company game.
I don't know where you work, but at my work place employees are absolutely not required to discuss work during lunch (I work in a store, by the way). I think it's unreasonable for a manager to be that controlling about what employees can do when they're off the clock. Especially if there's a break room, in which case the customers wouldn't have to be traumatized by hearing a language that is different from their native one.
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The thing that seems crazy to me is to have official policies about restrictions on language spoken.
I mean, what if a customer comes in and can't speak french? Do they just keep speaking French until they leave?
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