Montreal IGA forbids employees to speak English - Page 7

On June 28 2013 13:31 a176 wrote:


Quebec has tried to separate from Canada 2 (3?) times already.

On June 28 2013 13:27 Djzapz wrote:

His statements are not valid. I know a fair bit about the history of Quebec and Canada because I need to for my job (which I won't get into). The guy tries to suggest that we weren't treated poorly by the anglophone majority which is completely bullshit. For roughly the last 50-60 years, the situation has been fair, but it's completely insane to suggest that everything should be fine and dandy now. The worst is behind us, but the tensions are still going on.

Gendron is a small times simpleton, he really is. And I'm not saying that because his views are opposed to mine. I rarely say this and mean it, but this man is literally unintelligent.

As for the economic thing, you have to understand that the government of Quebec is fighting for us. It's never advantageous to say thanks in politics... ask for more to make it difficult for them to take it back. It only makes sense.

On June 28 2013 13:27 Djzapz wrote:

His statements are not valid. I know a fair bit about the history of Quebec and Canada because I need to for my job (which I won't get into). The guy tries to suggest that we weren't treated poorly by the anglophone majority which is completely bullshit. For roughly the last 50-60 years, the situation has been fair, but it's completely insane to suggest that everything should be fine and dandy now. The worst is behind us, but the tensions are still going on.

Gendron is a small times simpleton, he really is. And I'm not saying that because his views are opposed to mine. I rarely say this and mean it, but this man is literally unintelligent.

As for the economic thing, you have to understand that the government of Quebec is fighting for us. It's never advantageous to say thanks in politics... ask for more to make it difficult for them to take it back. It only makes sense.


No, speaking English is not illegal. At worst, you can get fined if you refuse to have a French sign for a business instead of any other language, or such things. But you'd never get arrested unless you were loudly disturbing the peace in English

On June 28 2013 13:38 Dawski wrote:


The whole point is that the tensions should not still be going on after 60 years of being treated "fair". I put it in quotations because this system has taken the same road of many others, overcompensation. Instead of seeing an oppression and wanting to make it fair, they see it and want things to tip into their favor now to make up for it. The reason why the tensions continue is because of this environment and media that these people grow up in which just continue the cycle.

On the economics thing you completely lost me. When do provincial leaders ever have to fight for their people with the federal? You can't work together with the federal and other provinces in order to secure financial stability to all provinces? There have been cases where Quebec businesses bragged they only do business within Quebec borders in order to strengthen Quebec. Quebec fights Canada to give it everything because it can, and then bites the hand that feeds.

On June 28 2013 13:43 ander wrote:


I'm a 23 year old non-Quebecer. Why is it that some of my tax dollars fuel a dispute that exists from hundreds of years ago that I've had no part of?

On June 28 2013 13:49 zbedlam wrote:
Now I know why most US people I talk to have a strong dislike for french canadians.

Guess they are mad their language becoming obsolete, can't say I blame them.

On June 28 2013 13:56 Dawski wrote:
So you think that Quebec should be able to treat the feds the way they do because "in your completely non-fact opinion" the other provinces do the same? You realize that's completely untrue right? Equalization comes from the federal revenue. Provincial governments can't fight for more equalization. The problem people have with Quebec and equalization is the way the Quebec government spends it. The problem in my opinion is the payments don't come with any strings attached which means big governments get used to receiving them. It's like using a cheque which should be used to get your family out of debt and spend it on video games.

You're just encouraging and continuing the exact same "insecure" attitude as I was just talking about.

On June 28 2013 12:38 Manifesto7 wrote:
Obviously.

Who the fuck shops at IGA besides your grandma anyway.

On June 28 2013 14:01 Djzapz wrote:

Provincial governments talk to the federal government and can try to get more equalization payments, that's how politics work. But the transfer of funds are by no means limited to equalization payments. As for how Quebec "treats" the feds, who the hell cares, it's a government....

As for people being angry about how Quebec uses its checks. That's pretty much the pettiest bullshit ever. The right-leaning rest of the country doesn't like the left-leaning big bad Quebec... go figures.


But despite your denial of it, there are plenty of disputes between provincial and federal governments, and more rural provinces tend to want more equalization payments and other such resources.

On June 28 2013 14:11 Dawski wrote:


I love how you still haven't figured out why the rest of Canada doesn't like the fiscal situation of Quebec. You realize the way you treat the feds directly impacts where the money we pay towards the government goes. If our money is going somewhere and we see it being spent on bureaucracies to uphold language laws, people are going to have a problem with that, and they should. Especially when this place is constantly asking for more and yet doesn't fix it's money draining big government in the first place.

Also Canada is right leaning? You may have a case to make in Alberta some parts of BC excluding Victoria/Vancouver (pretty much the whole population of BC). But other than that Canada is a fairly left of center country. If you think that's the reason people dislike Quebec you're delusional.

I really hope that "undisclosed job" of yours doesn't have anything to do with this subject

On June 28 2013 14:14 Chrispy wrote:
Quebec... secede already please.

On June 28 2013 14:15 Djzapz wrote:

You'll be disappointed to hear that I'm a poli sci masters student at McGill (a name which you hopefully recognize) and I even am a class lecturer at a different QC university for 2 groups of 30 students. [Edit: not during the summer semester, only during the two main ones]

You seem to imply that I don't understand things which I completely understand but I disagree with. I do understand why Canada doesn't like the fiscal situation of Quebec, but I also think it's arrogant and shows a complete misunderstanding of how shit works. Arguing that the money goes toward language issues is quite dumb in the first place anyway - Quebec's taxes are quite high, and it amply covers those inefficiencies (at the cost of other useful things that we could do). Obviously, I don't disagree that our public administration could get axed pretty hard.

As for Canada being "right leaning", I was clearly talking about it relatively to Quebec. Yes, Canada is left leaning. I'm a bit disappointed that you couldn't figure out what I was saying.


Are you pissed off in general or did that grocery store manager really make you hate the province that badly?

On June 28 2013 14:27 Dawski wrote:


I'm really not terribly disappointed by that because it's exactly what I thought you were. Someone who's spent way too long in an education system.

Shit works in a shitty way, people dislike said shitty system, they complain, they're arrogant? Sometimes the most complex circumstances in life can be solved by the simplest of solutions. You've just got to take a step back and come back to reality.

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