On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
Some would say your gender identity is your imagination, so you should rather not throw words like that so lightly.
Anyway, keep insisting your rapist mentality is nothing wrong and you'll just be doing other transsexuals a disservice. And, yes, an average person who doesn't want to have sex with whomever they don't want to have sex with qualify more as "decent human beings" because their sexual preferences are neutral in terms of morality, whereas your attitude is far into the immoral territory.
On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
So basiclly, fuck them because they don't agree with me. They don't matter, because they are inhuman and trash. Got it.
On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
See, this is it. This is why you're a predator. It's not that you don't know other people can have preferences which impact their consent with you, you simply think you know better, you just don't care.
It doesn't matter whether they're afraid that you're a man any more than it would matter if they were afraid you were a bear, if someone doesn't want to have sex with you then you don't get to make their decision for them. It's that fucking simple. You're a predator.
On August 08 2013 07:09 Pierrot wrote: This morning I went out to breakfast for blueberry pancakes. I asked for blueberry pancakes, I was served something that looked exactly like blueberry pancakes, smelled exactly like blueberry pancakes, tasted exactly like blueberry pancakes, and even the texture was right! They were delicious pancakes. Some of the yummiest I've ever had.
Then I found out through a friend of a friend that the blueberry pancakes I ate were identified at birth as strawberry pancakes.
I feel raped. Whoever served me those pancakes is a predator.
Or to put it another way, you are allergic to strawberries. Now your dead and that person is guilty of manslaughter.
Rape through omission is still makes you a terrible person, even if they enjoyed it at the time. .
People don't die from having sex with a transsexual.
"Don't be an idiot, posting such dumb shit just wastes the time of the reader." -KwarK
On August 08 2013 07:09 Pierrot wrote: This morning I went out to breakfast for blueberry pancakes. I asked for blueberry pancakes, I was served something that looked exactly like blueberry pancakes, smelled exactly like blueberry pancakes, tasted exactly like blueberry pancakes, and even the texture was right! They were delicious pancakes. Some of the yummiest I've ever had.
Then I found out through a friend of a friend that the blueberry pancakes I ate were identified at birth as strawberry pancakes.
I feel raped. Whoever served me those pancakes is a predator.
Or to put it another way, you are allergic to strawberries. Now your dead and that person is guilty of manslaughter.
Rape through omission is still makes you a terrible person, even if they enjoyed it at the time. .
People don't die from having sex with a transsexual.
"Don't be an idiot, posting such dumb shit just wastes the time of the reader." -KwarK
People don't die from being raped generally. Non fatal is a pretty low benchmark to build your morality, such as it is, on.
On August 08 2013 05:44 DoubleReed wrote: Could someone summarize what the conversation is about? I'm lost.
Why does a transgendered person have to inform transgenderedness before having sex? I mean, I think that's weird, but that's just not what informed consent refers to. I don't have to inform people that I'm Jewish just in case they're an anti-Semite or something.
Actually someone already DID make the argument you should inform them you're Jewish in case they're a Nazi and you are raping them by engaging them in sex with a Jew without their knowledge
Well, during world war 2 that could as well be a death sentence to them (Germans didn't treat people who associated with Jews too nicely).
it is the opinion of the majority here that the nazi has a right to an informed consent, despite their obviously stupid prejudices, therefore the jews options get worse, and we protect the rights of the stupid majority at the expense of an oppressed minority.
You should reread what KwarK had to say about this, he even came up with a formula IIRC.
I'm quite sure i have his message correct. I did say while its reasonable to assume you are sleeping with a nazi.
I don't see it in your post, but anyway, in that case - yes, that would be immoral. Why you'd want to sleep with a nazi as a Jew is beyond me, though. Anyway, the example is rather stupid because having limited options in terms of casual sex should be the least of your concern in such a situation/society.
EDIT: nvm now i see what you were saying. yeah its in the post above that one. at least i think i see what your saying... your agreeing with me right?
On August 08 2013 07:09 Pierrot wrote: This morning I went out to breakfast for blueberry pancakes. I asked for blueberry pancakes, I was served something that looked exactly like blueberry pancakes, smelled exactly like blueberry pancakes, tasted exactly like blueberry pancakes, and even the texture was right! They were delicious pancakes. Some of the yummiest I've ever had.
Then I found out through a friend of a friend that the blueberry pancakes I ate were identified at birth as strawberry pancakes.
I feel raped. Whoever served me those pancakes is a predator.
Or to put it another way, you are allergic to strawberries. Now your dead and that person is guilty of manslaughter.
Rape through omission is still makes you a terrible person, even if they enjoyed it at the time. .
People don't die from having sex with a transsexual.
"Don't be an idiot, posting such dumb shit just wastes the time of the reader." -KwarK
What if that person was depressed and feels betrayed, hurt and damage to the point where they commit suicide? How can you know the outcome of what happens next?
Don't worry, we know your response to this. That person was a bigot and deserved what they got. We get it. .
On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
See, this is it. This is why you're a predator. It's not that you don't know other people can have preferences which impact their consent with you, you simply think you know better, you just don't care.
It doesn't matter whether they're afraid that you're a man any more than it would matter if they were afraid you were a bear, if someone doesn't want to have sex with you then you don't get to make their decision for them. It's that fucking simple. You're a predator.
Bolded for emphasis. Who better knows ourselves than ourselves? Your reality is not mine. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
Most sexual wrong doings are committed by people are forced to conform to mainstream sexuality in their daily lives instead of being allowed any avenue of personal expression or means of social understanding (it doesn't matter what their default sexuality is or how deviant they are from the norm), if you restrict a person's alternatives so they can not satisfy their drives or internalize them in a constructive and moral manner then they are bound to break the arbitrary mainstream rulings of what is considered legal at the time.
All that matters in regards to sexuality in the moral implications category is personal responsibility, if you can be responsible for the predictable consequences of your actions (that meaning you are both actively pursuing the capacity of predicting the consequences of your actions, as well as being accountable for them) then I don't see how any social damage can possibly be done. But instead people would rather live with arbitrary lines forced upon them because they refuse social responsibility, and jeopardize the state of being of minorities in the process, simply because it's much easier to sort out and conform to.
Unfortunately there are always societal forces and natural obstacles in the way of obtaining what human drives and needs individuals might possess, but that's the case with any possible drive or need. With our capacity to project and understand experiences which may not be accessible to us there will always be things which are unobtainable to us through moral obligation or physical limitation. There is not point shunning human curiosity or our natural state when in reality they have always been the driving forces of society, we've simply molded them towards directions which are deemed desirable or rational: - Redesigning greed becomes the driving force of systematic competition with in monetary systems (and basically the functionality of our consumerist culture and the basis of many economies), - repressed sexuality becomes the driving force of religious and existential ideology trying to derive meaning with out admitting to sexual desires, -our hubris have always been the driving force behind architecture and the arts to affect the world and consciously reaffirm our lofty position, etc etc etc.
Human beings are born with numerous qualities which arbitrarily the society they exist in may or may not deem desirable, that's simply the way it is with collectivist societal structures. What you shouldn't do is pretend such conflicts of interest do not exist and censor or ban behavior simply because they don't conform to your view point, but instead allow exploration and communication. If you truly believe in freedom of speech or civil / social liberties you believe in it fundamentally for exactly the view points which you despise, because anyone can believe in freedom of speech for view points which they like as it confirms and reaffirms their position.
On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
See, this is it. This is why you're a predator. It's not that you don't know other people can have preferences which impact their consent with you, you simply think you know better, you just don't care.
It doesn't matter whether they're afraid that you're a man any more than it would matter if they were afraid you were a bear, if someone doesn't want to have sex with you then you don't get to make their decision for them. It's that fucking simple. You're a predator.
Bolded for emphasis. Who better knows ourselves than ourselves? Your reality is not mine. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
It doesn't matter what you know. If someone doesn't want to have sex with you because they think you're a bear, even though it's a ridiculous assumption, you don't get to simply force yourself on them because you know you're not. How are you not getting this? You keep repeating "I know their criteria for consent better than they do", it's no different from "she said "no" but I knew she wanted it". Literally no different.
On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
See, this is it. This is why you're a predator. It's not that you don't know other people can have preferences which impact their consent with you, you simply think you know better, you just don't care.
It doesn't matter whether they're afraid that you're a man any more than it would matter if they were afraid you were a bear, if someone doesn't want to have sex with you then you don't get to make their decision for them. It's that fucking simple. You're a predator.
Bolded for emphasis. Who better knows ourselves than ourselves? Your reality is not mine. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
It doesn't matter what you know. If someone doesn't want to have sex with you because they think you're a bear, even though it's a ridiculous assumption, you don't get to simply force yourself on them because you know you're not. How are you not getting this? You keep repeating "I know their criteria for consent better than they do", it's no different from "she said "no" but I knew she wanted it". Literally no different.
On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
See, this is it. This is why you're a predator. It's not that you don't know other people can have preferences which impact their consent with you, you simply think you know better, you just don't care.
It doesn't matter whether they're afraid that you're a man any more than it would matter if they were afraid you were a bear, if someone doesn't want to have sex with you then you don't get to make their decision for them. It's that fucking simple. You're a predator.
Bolded for emphasis. Who better knows ourselves than ourselves? Your reality is not mine. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
It doesn't matter what you know. If someone doesn't want to have sex with you because they think you're a bear, even though it's a ridiculous assumption, you don't get to simply force yourself on them because you know you're not. How are you not getting this? You keep repeating "I know their criteria for consent better than they do", it's no different from "she said "no" but I knew she wanted it". Literally no different.
thats a little far.... maybe if they asked if you were a trans person and you lied about it.
On August 08 2013 07:09 Pierrot wrote: This morning I went out to breakfast for blueberry pancakes. I asked for blueberry pancakes, I was served something that looked exactly like blueberry pancakes, smelled exactly like blueberry pancakes, tasted exactly like blueberry pancakes, and even the texture was right! They were delicious pancakes. Some of the yummiest I've ever had.
Then I found out through a friend of a friend that the blueberry pancakes I ate were identified at birth as strawberry pancakes.
I feel raped. Whoever served me those pancakes is a predator.
A) Sex and pancakes aren't the same thing B) If you don't mind whether pancakes are what you think they are or not, as long as they taste the same, that's your personal preference but does not give you the right to choose for someone else C) Consent is more relevant to sex than pancakes
Don't be an idiot, posting such dumb shit just wastes the time of the reader.
I was being facetious. I wonder how much time you have made people waste through the course of this thread. You equated rape to someone not showing someone in a bar their original (and no longer valid or legal) birth certificate. You're still winning.
On August 08 2013 06:48 KwarK wrote: Just like the rest of the predators. I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you're literally saying "yep, that's what I do, I see no issue with it".
Does labeling me a predator reinforce your feelings of righteousness?
Likely no more than your repeated accusations of cowardice.
There's nothing cowardly about being afraid.
Just don't expect people here to pity you if you get beaten up.
I have no desire for pity. Being valued equally as any other person for purposes of dispensing justice would be kind of nice, I guess, but I don't particularly care. If someone beats me up, that's their problem.
generally people of all genders arent looked too kindly upon when they conceal the truth for their own gain. quit painting yourself a victim my god
On August 08 2013 07:09 Pierrot wrote: This morning I went out to breakfast for blueberry pancakes. I asked for blueberry pancakes, I was served something that looked exactly like blueberry pancakes, smelled exactly like blueberry pancakes, tasted exactly like blueberry pancakes, and even the texture was right! They were delicious pancakes. Some of the yummiest I've ever had.
Then I found out through a friend of a friend that the blueberry pancakes I ate were identified at birth as strawberry pancakes.
I feel raped. Whoever served me those pancakes is a predator.
Or to put it another way, you are allergic to strawberries. Now your dead and that person is guilty of manslaughter.
Rape through omission is still makes you a terrible person, even if they enjoyed it at the time. .
Ok, fun is fun but this hit way too close to home for me. I have a friend who is recovering in the ICU at the moment from having sex with a trans girl. The doctors don't think he is going to make it.
On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
See, this is it. This is why you're a predator. It's not that you don't know other people can have preferences which impact their consent with you, you simply think you know better, you just don't care.
It doesn't matter whether they're afraid that you're a man any more than it would matter if they were afraid you were a bear, if someone doesn't want to have sex with you then you don't get to make their decision for them. It's that fucking simple. You're a predator.
Bolded for emphasis. Who better knows ourselves than ourselves? Your reality is not mine. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
It doesn't matter what you know. If someone doesn't want to have sex with you because they think you're a bear, even though it's a ridiculous assumption, you don't get to simply force yourself on them because you know you're not. How are you not getting this? You keep repeating "I know their criteria for consent better than they do", it's no different from "she said "no" but I knew she wanted it". Literally no different.
thats a little far.... maybe if they asked if you were a trans person and you lied about it.
The scenario implies that the trans person is aware that the person does not want to sleep with someone who is transgendered.
On August 08 2013 07:09 Pierrot wrote: This morning I went out to breakfast for blueberry pancakes. I asked for blueberry pancakes, I was served something that looked exactly like blueberry pancakes, smelled exactly like blueberry pancakes, tasted exactly like blueberry pancakes, and even the texture was right! They were delicious pancakes. Some of the yummiest I've ever had.
Then I found out through a friend of a friend that the blueberry pancakes I ate were identified at birth as strawberry pancakes.
I feel raped. Whoever served me those pancakes is a predator.
A) Sex and pancakes aren't the same thing B) If you don't mind whether pancakes are what you think they are or not, as long as they taste the same, that's your personal preference but does not give you the right to choose for someone else C) Consent is more relevant to sex than pancakes
Don't be an idiot, posting such dumb shit just wastes the time of the reader.
I was being facetious. I wonder how much time you have made people waste through the course of this thread. You equated rape to someone not showing someone in a bar their original (and no longer valid or legal) birth certificate. You're still winning.
Have you seen how rapey the arguments being made from the other side are here? You should be ashamed. We just heard "it doesn't matter if they don't want to have sex with a trans person, I think that distinction is dumb so I won't tell them". It's sickening.
On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
See, this is it. This is why you're a predator. It's not that you don't know other people can have preferences which impact their consent with you, you simply think you know better, you just don't care.
It doesn't matter whether they're afraid that you're a man any more than it would matter if they were afraid you were a bear, if someone doesn't want to have sex with you then you don't get to make their decision for them. It's that fucking simple. You're a predator.
Bolded for emphasis. Who better knows ourselves than ourselves? Your reality is not mine. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
It doesn't matter what you know. If someone doesn't want to have sex with you because they think you're a bear, even though it's a ridiculous assumption, you don't get to simply force yourself on them because you know you're not. How are you not getting this? You keep repeating "I know their criteria for consent better than they do", it's no different from "she said "no" but I knew she wanted it". Literally no different.
No, I don't know their criteria for consent because they haven't told me.
I will state, however, that if they are groping me and grinding their penis into my ass, it is not my responsibility to be the one who comes out of the moment to clarify that they know what they are doing.
I can't stress this enough: I am not responsible for knowing someone else's hangups.
The numbers can be invoked all you want. It's fundamentally dishonest and unequal to place the responsibility of determining a person's understanding and interpretation of reality on me especially when the determination of what is relevant and irrelevant is arbitrarily determined by each individual. If there is honest equality, each individual is responsible for declaring their own hangups.
"Reasonable assumption" has the same fallacies of "common sense."
My interest is reality. Your's is protecting your imagination.
On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
See, this is it. This is why you're a predator. It's not that you don't know other people can have preferences which impact their consent with you, you simply think you know better, you just don't care.
It doesn't matter whether they're afraid that you're a man any more than it would matter if they were afraid you were a bear, if someone doesn't want to have sex with you then you don't get to make their decision for them. It's that fucking simple. You're a predator.
Bolded for emphasis. Who better knows ourselves than ourselves? Your reality is not mine. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
It doesn't matter what you know. If someone doesn't want to have sex with you because they think you're a bear, even though it's a ridiculous assumption, you don't get to simply force yourself on them because you know you're not. How are you not getting this? You keep repeating "I know their criteria for consent better than they do", it's no different from "she said "no" but I knew she wanted it". Literally no different.
No, I don't know their criteria for consent because they haven't told me.
I will state, however, that if they are groping me and grinding their penis into my ass, it is not my responsibility to be the one who comes out of the moment to clarify that they know what they are doing.
I can't stress this enough: I am not responsible for knowing someone else's hangups.
The numbers can be invoked all you want. It's fundamentally dishonest and unequal to place the responsibility of determining a person's understanding and interpretation of reality on me especially when the determination of what is relevant and irrelevant is arbitrarily determined by each individual. If there is honest equality, each individual is responsible for declaring their own hangups.
"Reasonable assumption" has the same fallacies of "common sense."
My interest is reality. Your's is protecting your imagination.
"I don't care what happens, as long as I get what I want. What happens afterwords is their problem" Said by every guy who slept with a drunk girl or lied to one to get her into bed.
On August 08 2013 07:01 KwarK wrote: I'm making assumptions based upon your reply. I explained how the behaviour was predatory and you then replied
I'll be doing what is conducive to my happiness, too. <3
The exact same "fuck them, I got mine, who cares if they didn't want it" mentality as the rest of the predators. So yes, I assume you're a predator because you have presented yourself as one. You don't get to then cry "you don't know me!", I know you from your posting, if a mistake was made then it was by you.
Unfortunately there is no surgery to make people pass as a decent human being. Instead you need lessons like "don't fuck people who don't wanna fuck" drilled into you by experience. This is what I'm trying to do to you.
Now you're suggesting an even more general concept of me not being a decent human being.
I'm sorry that your interpretation of reality isn't quite secure enough that you need to shore it up with ever-more grandiose negative labels.
My stance is that I refuse to be responsible for someone else's unrealities. Prejudice and bigotry are learned behaviors. Oddly enough, the common consensus is that prejudiced and bigoted person's feelings "should" (that magic word) be respected. Are prejudiced and bigoted people more qualifying as "decent human beings" than I am now?
The reality in the discussed topic is that someone enjoys a very real experience with someone else. However, the unreality of their learned prejudices and fears has so much more importance placed upon it that it can override and negate that enjoyment.
I am a predator because I prefer reality over imagination.
Cool. I can live with that.
See, this is it. This is why you're a predator. It's not that you don't know other people can have preferences which impact their consent with you, you simply think you know better, you just don't care.
It doesn't matter whether they're afraid that you're a man any more than it would matter if they were afraid you were a bear, if someone doesn't want to have sex with you then you don't get to make their decision for them. It's that fucking simple. You're a predator.
Bolded for emphasis. Who better knows ourselves than ourselves? Your reality is not mine. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
It doesn't matter what you know. If someone doesn't want to have sex with you because they think you're a bear, even though it's a ridiculous assumption, you don't get to simply force yourself on them because you know you're not. How are you not getting this? You keep repeating "I know their criteria for consent better than they do", it's no different from "she said "no" but I knew she wanted it". Literally no different.
thats a little far.... maybe if they asked if you were a trans person and you lied about it.
The scenario implies that the trans person is aware that the person does not want to sleep with someone who is transgendered.
That's the scenario? That's not where I'm working from.
EPT
