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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
And I am not talking about these "talk slowly and carry a big gun" talks that are followed by sanctions and threats. Like soon after the end of war and in next 50 years, has there been any real attempts to not antagonize NK into what they became today? | ||
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Shival
Netherlands643 Posts
On March 09 2013 01:02 ItanoCircus wrote: Unsurprisingly, a lack of action has resulted in further buildup as North Korea continues to outright ignore the pleas and intentions (and sanctions) of the international community at large. It would only be in the interest of South Korea, to say nothing of Israel, the United States, and others, to wage war against the country before it acts on its stated and intended goal of nuclear warfare. An internal coup d'etat is unlikely, economic pressure isn't working, and shows of force are producing the opposite effect. Mark my words that this will not end well should the world decide to wait and pray that North Korea is a petulant child. I´m not sure if it´s in the best interest of South Korea to have Seoul bombed by a large number of artillery pieces aimed directly at Seoul as we speak. That in itself causes an insufferable amount of civilian casualties that no respecting government would wish for its populace. It´s a given that the first few hours will be hell for Seoul, despite South Korea´s inevitable victory. That is also one of the main reasons South Korea has always had such a relatively peaceful stance towards North Korea despite various grievances during the years. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Even a complete victory with the least amount of casualties will end poorly for the SK/US, given that they may have to deal with the aftermath. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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piplup
117 Posts
On March 09 2013 03:43 DonKey_ wrote: It's worth noting as well that even if SK/US were to overwhelmingly crush NK; where do they go from there? The NK regime terrible as it is at least provides a structure for the people living in NK. Who would spend money and resources into managing the aftermath of a Korean conflict where the NK regime is dismantled? The U.S. won't, would U.N. even do it; could they do it? Even a complete victory with the least amount of casualties will end poorly for the SK/US, given that they may have to deal with the aftermath. China. China probably doesn't want the US to have complete control over Asia. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 09 2013 02:29 -Archangel- wrote: I know it is a long shot but can anyone here that actually knows what he is talking about (studdied NK/SK war and what came after) tell me were there any real attempts to make peace with NK? And I am not talking about these "talk slowly and carry a big gun" talks that are followed by sanctions and threats. Like soon after the end of war and in next 50 years, has there been any real attempts to not antagonize NK into what they became today? The Sunshine Policy had a ton of breakthroughs but due to NK mucking around and the political faction(s) that supported the Sunshine Policy were defeated and replaced with the "conservative" anti-NK party took over it's been pretty washed over. The NK attitude towards SK shifted quite significantly over the years after these events. So there was around a decade where there were pretty serious efforts to engage in peace but the same kind of attitude doesn't really exist anymore in the current political climate from both ends. There was a lot of heated debate about this on TL in the years back among the Korean posters, most particularly when the previous president and the last president that upheld the Sunshine Policy, RMH, committed suicide in 2009, and when the NK warship debacle happened in 2010. | ||
micronesia
United States24779 Posts
On March 09 2013 03:47 piplup wrote: China. China probably doesn't want the US to have complete control over Asia. This is exactly what China is trying to avoid... if there is a major conflict, all of the civilians in NK will flock to the Chinese border which China does not need. Even if they stayed within the borders of NK, China doesn't want to have to take care of them all. | ||
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KwarK
United States44132 Posts
On March 08 2013 13:48 SirKibbleX wrote: People always act like military combat still works in a 1:1 way like it did circa the 1800s. Let me tell you something: one sniper in a good position, or one good machine gun crew, can essentially kill INFINITE numbers of men if their military force-multipliers are effective enough. German air power was able to hold off superior Russian ground forces for a long while because they were able to achieve 100:1 kill-death ratios in air combat, because of their superior training, tactics, and equipment. I suspect that if the North Koreans tried to invade SK on foot or in simple vehicles their losses would be utterly catastrophic. If you don't understand how a defensive army with cutting-edge technology and thinking that has had 50+ years to prepare for a linear, one-dimensional invasion can hold off said invasion, you aren't very creative. I'm sure the SK military has doctrines and battle plans for a variety of invasion scenarios (tunnels, airborne, nuclear attack, mine-clearing, etc. etc. etc.) Regarding machine gun crews holding off infinite numbers of men, D-day would like a word with you. Regarding defensive preparations, the Yom-Kippur war would like a word with you. Israel had a canal to defend, couldn't have been simpler, and they had all sorts of complicated plans for it like setting fire to the surface of the canal if the Egyptians tried a crossing. It didn't work in practice like it had in planning. | ||
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Grettin
42411 Posts
On March 08 2013 23:58 Grettin wrote: This should become the "official thread" for North-Korea stuff. What do you think Mods? Good or bad idea? I feel like Teamliquid doesn't need few new threads each month when stuff is happening, when you could just update one single thread and have the discussion there. Would be way better and easier to follow the whole 'situation' anyway. On March 09 2013 00:05 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I think this is a very good idea.Seems like every week or so NK does something new now a days. Be way more efficient to just have on thread for it as opposed to starting a bunch of new ones all the time. Bump so mods could see. | ||
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KwarK
United States44132 Posts
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
On March 09 2013 05:54 KwarK wrote: Regarding machine gun crews holding off infinite numbers of men, D-day would like a word with you. Regarding defensive preparations, the Yom-Kippur war would like a word with you. Israel had a canal to defend, couldn't have been simpler, and they had all sorts of complicated plans for it like setting fire to the surface of the canal if the Egyptians tried a crossing. It didn't work in practice like it had in planning. The machine-gun crews at Omaha did not have overlapping fields of fire or adequate artillery or anti-tank weapons. The Syrians/Egyptians invading the Canal executed one of the most brilliant sneak attacks in the history of warfare. Read more here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War#Lead-up_to_the_surprise_attack In contrast North Korea is making its intentions abundantly clear and the eyes of the world are watching. Short of some entirely new technology or brilliant tactical maneuver the likes of which has never been seen in history, North Korea has no chance of taking Seoul by ground troops. What I would be cautious of, is a North Korean feint in the here and now, followed by a relatively unexpected surprise attack in the next few weeks. | ||
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KwarK
United States44132 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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thekaas
Denmark235 Posts
On March 09 2013 06:25 Osmoses wrote: This title renaming made me laugh a little. Saying North Korea stirs shit up is like saying the sky is blue :p I think that is the idea behind the wording of the title  | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
All of these announcements made recently by NK are fake cgi crap produced by hollywood and put into public by their lobbyist because of pirate bay recently moving to Nk. They are arranging a possible nuclear war all for the sake of their movies not getting pirated. They want usa to have a hand at where TPB is. The timing, the everything. IT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE! | ||
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quaZa
Germany58 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 09 2013 06:13 SirKibbleX wrote: The machine-gun crews at Omaha did not have overlapping fields of fire or adequate artillery or anti-tank weapons. The Syrians/Egyptians invading the Canal executed one of the most brilliant sneak attacks in the history of warfare. Read more here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War#Lead-up_to_the_surprise_attack In contrast North Korea is making its intentions abundantly clear and the eyes of the world are watching. Short of some entirely new technology or brilliant tactical maneuver the likes of which has never been seen in history, North Korea has no chance of taking Seoul by ground troops. What I would be cautious of, is a North Korean feint in the here and now, followed by a relatively unexpected surprise attack in the next few weeks. Honestly, NK taking Seoul isn't so outlandish as it might seem. For one, Seoul is incredibly close to the border and current-day Seoul has pretty much no real preparation for the possibility of an invasion (because for the past 2+ decades there have been no real threat). Simply evacuating the residents of the megacity would be an incredible feat, nevermind actually defending the city. If they actually do break through the border then it's a real possibility. Regardless, it's impossible for NK to win the war under any circumstance at the states NK and SK are in today. | ||
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