EPTOn March 08 2013 19:59 Geneq wrote:
South Korea better build some defenses and invest in detection.
South Korea better build some defenses and invest in detection.
good luck defending versus nuke artillery
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Anarion
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good luck defending versus nuke artillery | ||
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zeo
Serbia6298 Posts
On March 08 2013 20:54 drkcid wrote: Also NATO doesn't have any problems bombing military units in cities, they have a lot of practice since early 90s. They have been killing civilians and citing 'collateral damage' since the early 90's EDIT: North Korea has a air force as well, about 1,600 / 1,700 aircraft of different types, and according to wiki --> North Korea operates a wide variety of air defence equipment, from short-range MANPADS and ZPU-4 machine guns, to long-range SA-5 Gammon SAM systems and large-calibre AA artillery guns. DPRK has one of the densest air defence networks in the world. A large part of the ground attack aircraft are kept in heavily fortified hangars, some of which are capable of withstanding a nearby nuclear blast. | ||
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Orek
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drkcid
Spain196 Posts
On March 08 2013 21:08 Zeo wrote: They have been killing civilians and citing 'collateral damage' since the early 90's Exactly, and it doesnt seems to be a problem, if they have to bomb cities they will do it. Edit: its just a fact, Im not in favor to bomb cities. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On March 08 2013 21:08 Zeo wrote: They have been killing civilians and citing 'collateral damage' since the early 90's EDIT: North Korea has a air force as well, about 1,600 / 1,700 aircraft of different types, and according to wiki --> North Korea operates a wide variety of air defence equipment, from short-range MANPADS and ZPU-4 machine guns, to long-range SA-5 Gammon SAM systems and large-calibre AA artillery guns. DPRK has one of the densest air defence networks in the world. A large part of the ground attack aircraft are kept in heavily fortified hangars, some of which are capable of withstanding a nearby nuclear blast. Out of the 1500 aircraft the NK has 484 are fighters out of those 484 fighters only 23 are known to be operational. 7 of them from 1977 and 16 of them from 1967. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Air_Force http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7951771/Intelligence-experts-analyse-North-Korean-fighter-jet-crash.html Another interesting thing about NK pilots is that they only get about 15-25 flight hours a year compared to NATO pilots at 150 flight hours a year. None of the air defense weapons the NK have are capable of shooting down aircraft at the altitude of stealth bombers. In fact a large amount of their AA is completely obsolete and ineffective against modern aircraft. Also shown in the wiki. | ||
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CTIA
France117 Posts
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0x64
Finland4567 Posts
This situation reminds me of the crazy little kid in school who is looking for a fight, when he is 2 years younger, weight half. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On March 08 2013 20:09 Zeo wrote: Does anyone here actually believe NATO has the balls to ground invade NK? If you think Irak/Afghanistan were hard to 'assimilate' North Korea is on a whole other level, as in never or it would take 40 years after occupation. Oh and by the way, after the first 50,000 NATO troops are dead the call from home to get the 'fuck out of there' means that the South would be abandoned... Just like what happened in Vietnam. Does anyone here have any idea what 1,1 million troops (most of them fanatical) means? It means WW2 scale operations. Not fighting 20,000 taliban on goats. Perfect time for countries that don't like NATO (Iran/ex-Soviet block/China/South America) to make shit happen elsewhere, trust me, it should be you guys not wanting this war, not North Korea. EDIT: grammer Why invade NK? If it would come to worst they would just missle and bomb the shit out of NK. NKs military technology cant do shit compared to the rest of the world. But lets hope for the best and wait some more till they destroyed themselves. edit: and to compare it to WW2-esque scenario just because they have a lot of people would be neglecting the way war today is drawn out. We would have a war against a nation, not against a tyrant(as of Iraq/Afghanistan). | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On March 08 2013 20:29 Zeo wrote: All NK needs is good anti-air and NATO is fucked, I read earlier in the thread something about the North invading and taking the South hostage, if they get into the cities its game over, what will NATO do? Bomb the southern cities? Ground invasion means a lot of dead Americans and new episodes of MASH, nothing else. EDIT: again, not talking about 20,000 taliban on goats, but 1,1 million serious troops who will have more than enough supplies just by raping/pillaging the southern countryside bare South Korea are actually capable holding and win the war on its own, it just won't be a pretty fight. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
The cease-fire is officially gone. Functionally, this means NK has officially declared open all-out war on SK. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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Grettin
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6659 Posts
On March 08 2013 23:58 Grettin wrote: This should become the "official thread" for North-Korea stuff. What do you think Mods? Good or bad idea? I feel like Teamliquid doesn't need few new threads each month when stuff is happening, when you could just update one single thread and have the discussion there. Would be way better and easier to follow the whole 'situation' anyway. I think this is a very good idea.Seems like every week or so NK does something new now a days. Be way more efficient to just have on thread for it as opposed to starting a bunch of new ones all the time. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 08 2013 21:08 Zeo wrote: They have been killing civilians and citing 'collateral damage' since the early 90's EDIT: North Korea has a air force as well, about 1,600 / 1,700 aircraft of different types, and according to wiki --> North Korea operates a wide variety of air defence equipment, from short-range MANPADS and ZPU-4 machine guns, to long-range SA-5 Gammon SAM systems and large-calibre AA artillery guns. DPRK has one of the densest air defence networks in the world. A large part of the ground attack aircraft are kept in heavily fortified hangars, some of which are capable of withstanding a nearby nuclear blast. If you are seriously counting NK's archaic and completely obsolete WWII era aircraft as a viable airforce then you honestly have no idea what in the world you're talking about. There's no way NK can win a war even just against SK on her own because of how outdated their military is. How are you expecting to win a conventional war in this day and age when you will concede air superiority to the enemy from the beginning? | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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ItanoCircus
United States67 Posts
An internal coup d'etat is unlikely, economic pressure isn't working, and shows of force are producing the opposite effect. Mark my words that this will not end well should the world decide to wait and pray that North Korea is a petulant child. | ||
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Soohyung
Korea (South)116 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On March 09 2013 00:05 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I think this is a very good idea.Seems like every week or so NK does something new now a days. Be way more efficient to just have on thread for it as opposed to starting a bunch of new ones all the time. If we're using this as the NK thread, there are some developments concerning their prisoner camps: North Korea has built a huge "security perimeter" around a camp for political prisoners, restricting movement in nearby villages as part of its "general repression" of its people, according to Amnesty International, the London-based rights watchdog. The reclusive country's network of political prison camps is believed to hold at least 200,000 people and has been the scene of rapes, torture, executions and slave labour, Navi Pillay, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said in January. Analysis of new satellite images of the area near Camp No 14 in Kaechon shows that the government is "blurring the lines" between its camps and surrounding civilians, Amnesty International said on Thursday. source | ||
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Fawkes
Canada1935 Posts
On March 08 2013 22:34 Shikyo wrote: NKs army numbers are ridiculous. They only have like what, 10mil people who are male and fit for army? And 9.4mil of those are counted into their army strenght? That's just ridiculous, that's like saying China has a 500 million soldier reserve. I really don't think they can afford proper equipment for everyone, with a military budget of 1/4 that of SKs(and 1% of that of US's)? With all their military equipment and vehicle numbers being approximates and likely very exaggerated(an example would be the 1700 aircraft number, when in reality only 23 of those are usable fighters from like 40 years ago when even Finland has 64 from 1995). I'd say that SKs 650k standing army and 3.2mil reserve are far more credible numbers and I doubt they'd even need US's help if it came down to it. It could become like some WW2 battle...think it may have been Stalingrad...not enough equipment. You just pick up dropped equipment from the people in front of you... | ||
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