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riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
October 08 2013 00:33 GMT
#2121
unification will absolutely never happend....
why...
1. sokor will suffer economically
2. difference in ideology
3. nokor is trigger-happy warmonger
4. poisonous mentallity from nokor
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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
October 08 2013 00:43 GMT
#2122
On October 08 2013 09:31 TriO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 09:28 imBLIND wrote:
Chances of this one actually happening?


99.9%

Now where did you get this number?
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TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
October 08 2013 00:46 GMT
#2123
On October 08 2013 09:33 riyanme wrote:
unification will absolutely never happend....
why...
1. sokor will suffer economically
2. difference in ideology
3. nokor is trigger-happy warmonger
4. poisonous mentallity from nokor


I think its hard to say how many of the North Koreans that actually have been brainwashed, and how many that are simply acting to stay under the radar. (Remember they do try and flee whenever they get the chance) I don't think there is THAT many truly delusional NK's. If so, that its quite sad
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Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
October 08 2013 00:50 GMT
#2124
On October 08 2013 09:46 TheRealArtemis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 09:33 riyanme wrote:
unification will absolutely never happend....
why...
1. sokor will suffer economically
2. difference in ideology
3. nokor is trigger-happy warmonger
4. poisonous mentallity from nokor


I think its hard to say how many of the North Koreans that actually have been brainwashed, and how many that are simply acting to stay under the radar. (Remember they do try and flee whenever they get the chance) I don't think there is THAT many truly delusional NK's. If so, that its quite sad

Look at how many crazy democrats and republicans we have as a result of our media. Now imagine that that is the only thing you see, all day everyday. Yeah...
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 00:59:02
October 08 2013 00:57 GMT
#2125
On August 21 2013 03:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:36 JustPassingBy wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:17 iMAniaC wrote:
We've known about North Korea's practice of selling state-manufactured, high quality meth in foreign countries, typically China, for at least two years, but now it seems the drug is sweeping the country. A new report in North Korea Review, highlighted today by the Wall Street Journal, is titled "A New Face of North Korean Drug Use: Upsurge in Methamphetamine Abuse Across the Northern Areas of North Korea," and alleges that meth has gone from the state's factories to smaller, independent "underground laboratories and 'home kitchens.'" The drug is now prevalent in the Northern areas of the country. One of the study's authors, Kim Seok-hyang, told The Journal, "Almost every adult in that area (of North Korea) has experienced using ice and not just once … I estimate that at least 40 percent to 50 percent are seriously addicted to the drug."


Source

A potential reunification is becoming messier and messier every year... Who'd want to pick up a country where half of the population are drug addicts...


Most important, I'm not sure that it's feasible to integrate a completely ignorant of the world and brainwashed North Korean population to a big functional and extremely westernized society like South Korea. It's not East Germany.

Then China most definitely wouldn't let its ally go into US orbit just like that. Considering its influence is growing every day, I don't see it happening at all regardless of the situation.


Korean reunification would be handled very differently than Germany was. They could go with a federal structure, where North Korean voters would have little say in South Korean affairs, while South Korea would have huge influence through the economic help it was providing.

In reality if the regime in the north collapses South Korea will go for reunification. The elite in Southern Korea probably wants it (I mean having controll over more people is always good, amiright?) and in the heat of the moment it will be hugely popular among the electorate too. They might regret it in a year, but by that time there will be no turning back.

As for China, they would rather not have reunification on balance. But Korean unification would mean less US military presence in Korea and a long term possibility of bringing Korea over to their sphere of influence. Plus they probably don't want to deal with the collapse on their own and South Korea is the only country that's likely to contribute significant resources to rebuilding. I can see them agreeing to reunification and a short term loss of influence rather than being saddled with a huge mess and a permanent source of conflict with South Korea.

On balance I think China is slightly more likely to agree to reunification than not, if the North Korean regime collapses. The alternative would be to literally occupy the country and set up a puppet government. Maybe that's a realistic outcome in a world where China is already the leading superpower, like the US and it's allies were in the 90s, but I can't see them doing that now or in the next few years.
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krzych113
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United Kingdom547 Posts
October 08 2013 01:04 GMT
#2126
1. amazing that we actually have a thread for that, 2. not to be for war, but 3. did you know that probably most or at least many great and new inventions were developed and/or designed during any kind of world war you can pick from, it was like mind storm
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 08 2013 01:39 GMT
#2127
On October 08 2013 09:50 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 09:46 TheRealArtemis wrote:
On October 08 2013 09:33 riyanme wrote:
unification will absolutely never happend....
why...
1. sokor will suffer economically
2. difference in ideology
3. nokor is trigger-happy warmonger
4. poisonous mentallity from nokor


I think its hard to say how many of the North Koreans that actually have been brainwashed, and how many that are simply acting to stay under the radar. (Remember they do try and flee whenever they get the chance) I don't think there is THAT many truly delusional NK's. If so, that its quite sad

Look at how many crazy democrats and republicans we have as a result of our media. Now imagine that that is the only thing you see, all day everyday. Yeah...

I'd argue that those crazies are already delusional and the media is just preaching to the choir for ratings.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 08 2013 23:40 GMT
#2128
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea on Monday acknowledged the purge of leader Kim Jong Un's powerful uncle on allegations of corruption, drug use and a long list of other "anti-state" acts.

The lengthy dispatch by state media apparently ends the career of the country's second most powerful official and leaves Kim Jong Un without a man long considered his mentor as he consolidated power after his father's death two years ago.

Jang Song Thaek formed a faction in the ruling party "by creating an illusion about him" and distorting and weakening party goals, the dispatch said.

Jang was described as "abusing his power," being "engrossed in irregularities and corruption," having "improper relations with women," taking drugs, and gambling at casinos while undergoing medical treatment in a foreign country.

South Korean intelligence officials said days ago that two of Jang's aides had been executed for corruption, and a recent state documentary in the North had all images of Jang removed.


Source
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 08 2013 23:50 GMT
#2129
Isn't this... A good thing?
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-09 00:02:34
December 09 2013 00:00 GMT
#2130
On December 09 2013 08:50 Shikyo wrote:
Isn't this... A good thing?


Another one will replace him most likely. So, don't think so.


Also, the US War vet got released earlier this week.

(Reuters) - An 85-year-old Korean War veteran held for more than a month by North Korea as a war criminal arrived in San Francisco on Saturday to be reunited with his family

North Korea detained Merrill E. Newman for crimes it accused him of committing during the conflict six decades ago as a member of the U.S. special forces. He was released for humanitarian reasons after he apologized, the country's state news agency said.

Newman flew to China, where he boarded an 11-and-a-half-hour flight home. His United Airlines airlines flight landed at about 9 a.m.

Accompanied by half a dozen police officers, Newman looked to be in good health and held his wife's hand before walking up to a podium to briefly address the press at the airport's arrivals hall.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/08/us-korea-north-newman-idUSBRE9B601O20131208
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 09 2013 00:10 GMT
#2131
I was under the impression that he was one of the worst dudes though. Isn't it possible that a better person will replace him?
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 09 2013 03:41 GMT
#2132
On December 09 2013 09:10 Shikyo wrote:
I was under the impression that he was one of the worst dudes though. Isn't it possible that a better person will replace him?

Yes

Change can go either way, and it could also not happen with a regime change. It's a dice roll.

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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 09 2013 04:19 GMT
#2133
On December 09 2013 09:00 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 08:50 Shikyo wrote:
Isn't this... A good thing?


Another one will replace him most likely. So, don't think so.


Also, the US War vet got released earlier this week.

Show nested quote +
(Reuters) - An 85-year-old Korean War veteran held for more than a month by North Korea as a war criminal arrived in San Francisco on Saturday to be reunited with his family

North Korea detained Merrill E. Newman for crimes it accused him of committing during the conflict six decades ago as a member of the U.S. special forces. He was released for humanitarian reasons after he apologized, the country's state news agency said.

Newman flew to China, where he boarded an 11-and-a-half-hour flight home. His United Airlines airlines flight landed at about 9 a.m.

Accompanied by half a dozen police officers, Newman looked to be in good health and held his wife's hand before walking up to a podium to briefly address the press at the airport's arrivals hall.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/08/us-korea-north-newman-idUSBRE9B601O20131208

I'm curious. How did he get captured in the first place? I doubt he just went to North Korea on vacation or something?
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
December 09 2013 04:25 GMT
#2134
On December 09 2013 13:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 09:00 Grettin wrote:
On December 09 2013 08:50 Shikyo wrote:
Isn't this... A good thing?


Another one will replace him most likely. So, don't think so.


Also, the US War vet got released earlier this week.

(Reuters) - An 85-year-old Korean War veteran held for more than a month by North Korea as a war criminal arrived in San Francisco on Saturday to be reunited with his family

North Korea detained Merrill E. Newman for crimes it accused him of committing during the conflict six decades ago as a member of the U.S. special forces. He was released for humanitarian reasons after he apologized, the country's state news agency said.

Newman flew to China, where he boarded an 11-and-a-half-hour flight home. His United Airlines airlines flight landed at about 9 a.m.

Accompanied by half a dozen police officers, Newman looked to be in good health and held his wife's hand before walking up to a podium to briefly address the press at the airport's arrivals hall.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/08/us-korea-north-newman-idUSBRE9B601O20131208

I'm curious. How did he get captured in the first place? I doubt he just went to North Korea on vacation or something?


Well that was what the media reported at least. Something along the lines of "he stayed in North-Korea for three years during the war and he wanted to see the country again. "
sgtnoobkilla
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia249 Posts
December 09 2013 06:22 GMT
#2135
On December 09 2013 13:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm curious. How did he get captured in the first place? I doubt he just went to North Korea on vacation or something?


They dug up some of his history and found some dirt about his actions during the war. In addition he (apparently) argued with an official during a tour.
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epok
Profile Joined September 2013
United States117 Posts
December 09 2013 17:40 GMT
#2136
it's more likely that if any revolution were to occur involving the outside world it would end with someone creating a new North Korean government body but all the citizens not leaving the country. No one wants to take one million users who only do basic work and have no outside world ideals. And China benefits heavily from keeping them from outsourcing their work so they don't mind keeping them thaht way either.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 12 2013 22:09 GMT
#2137
The disgraced uncle of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un - Jang Song-thaek - has been executed, the country’s state media reports. This comes after the second most powerful man in North Korea was dismissed for committing "criminal acts."

Official KCNA news agency said on Friday that Yang Song-thaek was guilty of “attempting to overthrow the state.” His death sentence by a military tribunal on December 12 was carried out immediately, it added.


Source
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TriO
Profile Joined July 2011
United States421 Posts
December 12 2013 22:20 GMT
#2138
On December 13 2013 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The disgraced uncle of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un - Jang Song-thaek - has been executed, the country’s state media reports. This comes after the second most powerful man in North Korea was dismissed for committing "criminal acts."

Official KCNA news agency said on Friday that Yang Song-thaek was guilty of “attempting to overthrow the state.” His death sentence by a military tribunal on December 12 was carried out immediately, it added.


Source


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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
December 12 2013 22:29 GMT
#2139
Wow, they were fast 0_o
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furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
December 12 2013 22:40 GMT
#2140
Do you think Kim Jong-un wants to reform the country? and to do so, he has to remove the existing roots, while bringing the people he can trust up to rank?

Or he simply wish to continue what NK always been doing, but just consolidating his power?
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