Pro-China, Anti-Japan Protests - Page 80

On September 19 2012 20:24 Robinsa wrote:
Maybe it has already been reported but I think an update is needed with the news that the protestors also attacked the American ambassador. Seems this hate for the Japanese include their allies as well..

Source.
http://www.asahi.com/international/update/0919/TKY201209190349.html

Observers have blamed the US for standing behind the Japanese on their claim, and suggested that the US is attempting to foment unrest in the region as a pretext for "pivoting" its naval forces back to the Pacific.

On September 19 2012 19:59 Caihead wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369083&currentpage=78#1551
Like I said the OP isn't updating and alot of tripe.

On September 19 2012 20:30 Xpace wrote:




That, on top of some politicians' comments about the US debt to China and a bunch of other nonsense like "Down with US Imperialism".

On September 19 2012 20:43 Manit0u wrote:


US foreign debt in billions:

Debt to China: 1,149.6
Debt to Japan: 1,117.1

It's a hard call for US.

On September 19 2012 21:15 Buubble wrote:


Source please?

On September 19 2012 20:23 Shardz wrote:
I can't believe the chinese are this stupid and irrational =/. I'm chinese and these actions are just a disgrace to the country in my opinion. Of course, I have not read up too much on the situation, but this can't be justified.

On September 19 2012 21:19 WTFZerg wrote:


The Department of the Treasury...

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

On September 19 2012 20:13 Caphe wrote:

I don't know about the 2%, but I can guarantee you, every single male classmate of mine at SJTU(one of the most prestigious university in China) know about her. So I guess, people with higher education knows about Sora Aoi.

Also, shes something like 27-28 years old, but still she has nothing to do nor can impact anything on this matter.

On topic, the trend of protesting against Japan has died down a bit. I just had a chat with a Shanghainese taxi driver today, he told me protesting is pointless, and some just take this as a chance to loot goods from shops/malls.

There is a restaurant at my area has but on a sign that say " Japanese and dogs are not allowed", I heard that there are alot of places that put in signs like this. But if I learnt anything from the 2005 Chinese protest against Japan, this will die down as the power transfer from Hu Jin Tao to Xi Jin Ping draws near.

On September 19 2012 17:00 Caihead wrote:


News updates:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120919_23.html
Protests abate amid government control over the media and riot police.

http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120919/102058.shtml
Qing'Dao police detain 6 suspects who participated in destruction of property / looting / setting fire to a 4S Japanese Car store.

http://news.cntv.cn/world/20120919/104732.shtml
Japanese prime minster demands reparations from the Chinese government for the damages. However, identical riots are occuring in Japan by ultranationalists including makeshift smoke grenades chucked into the Chinese embassy at Fukuoka on the 17th. And a Chinese school in Kobe was set on fire in the early morning of the 19th.

http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120919/103464.shtml
Financial ministry replies to the request of damages saying that lawful reparations will be given and recommends that damages must be reported to authorities for the lawful process to work.

http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120919/102165.shtml
Economical impact of the riots, some stores are still closed and have been for 3 days since the 17th, partial re-opening have also occurred. Most stores report loss in profits for the short term, Japan-China airlines have also taken a hit in the number of passengers in the short term, (however, China-Japan tourism is at an all time high prior to the events, hitting 3.65 million for Japanese tourists and 960 thousand for Chinese tourists which is 72% increase from last year). Noticeably however is that the statistics do not support that wide spread profits damage were caused by the riots, profit margins were already low and most of the plants which closed down may have done so at an existing profit standpoint rather than safety concerns. Stocks for Japanese car manufacturers and electronics / retailers report drops in the range of ~2 to 0.5%, however other stocks reported raises such as Sony which rose by 4.48% in one day, Mazda with a 1.02% raise, and Canon with a 1.04% raise.

A list of legitimate damages are listed as below:
Dongfeng Motor (Japanese branch) Guangzhou Factory closed down on the 17th and re-opened on the 19th.
Nissan subsidiary in Zhengzhou closed down a factory for one day on the 18th.
Chongan Ford China closed down its Nanking factory for one day on the 18th.
FAW group Toyota Closed down its Tianjing factory on the 18th, re-opening date indeterminant.
Guangqi Honda closed down its factory on the 18th and 19th.
Dongfeng Honda closed down its factory on the 18th and 19th.
Sony closed 2 out of 8 factories on the 18th for one day.
Panasonic's Qingdao factory does not have a re-opening date yet.
Lion's Qingdao factory does not have a re-opening date yet.
AEON's 36 retailers in China only have 2 which are operating normally.
KOMATSU's 6 factories in China have 3 which are in non-production status.
Fujita airlines have had 18800 group tickets cancelled which were expected to depart between september and november.
Juneyao Airlines have delayed a flight from Shanghai to Okinawa on the 20th.
Spring Airlines canceled 10 group planes from Shanghai to Tottori.

http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120919/104693.shtml
Beijing closes its subway station near the Japanese embassy.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_JAPAN_RISING_RIGHT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-19-03-31-30
Japan's opposition candidates vow to protect islands.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/09/20129185557600905.html
Further information on the amount of stores that closed, additional information include:
Uniqlo will close 19 retailer outlets in China after closing down 7 retailer stores on monday.

On September 19 2012 21:19 WTFZerg wrote:


The Department of the Treasury...

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

On September 19 2012 22:16 Svetz wrote:


So the US owes 246 billion to the Caribbean islands?

On September 19 2012 22:18 WTFZerg wrote:


If they purchased US Treasury bonds, then yes.

On September 19 2012 21:52 Caihead wrote:

http://news.cntv.cn/world/20120919/106063.shtml
Japan is going to treat lightly the illegal (under international as well as Japanese domestic law I believe) boarding of the islands by ultra-nationalists. Under the old law the two offenders wont be detained or put on trial, simply questioned by the police and released, so no real end will come out of reporting them to the police.

On September 19 2012 23:15 Orek wrote:


From Japanese perspective, they only violated domestic law. No international law is broken when Japanese citizens "travel" from one Japanese territory into another Japanese territory. Technically speaking, it is the same as travelling from Tokyo to Osaka. They violated domestic law in that Japanese government prohibits any Japanese citizens from entering Senkaku Islands without government's prior approval.

From Chinese perspective, it is the violation of territorial sovereignty. Detention of the guys and full trial under Chinese law would have broken no international law whatsoever.


Another topic:
Chinese ships enter territorial water
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/09/19/2012091900446.html

From Japanese perspective, it is the violation of "Japanese" territorial water by Chinese ships. Detention of all crews would have been entirely within the right of Japanese authorities in accordance with international law.

From Chinese perspective, it is simply entering into "Chinese" territorial water by Chinese ships. Technically speaking, it is the same as Chinese oil tanker from the middle east entering Chinese territorial water around Shanghai.


Thankfully, both authorities were no stupids trying to enforce the full extent of the law in their own perspective. Situation would have been catastrophic if they had done so.

On September 20 2012 00:59 udgnim wrote:
once this all blows over and cooler heads prevail, I wonder if Japanese companies will react to these protests by shifting some of its manufacturing out of China

On September 20 2012 01:06 Xiphos wrote:


Well think about it, the Japanese cars are already bought out by the consumers and they have already receive monetary gains from them. So it is safe to say `that they don`t give rat`s ass about what the buyer do with it.

Its like you drawing on some Nike shoes, the CEO won`t go batshit insane.

On September 20 2012 01:14 ddrddrddrddr wrote:

No but future sales forecast might take a dive. And CEO just might go batshit insane.

On September 20 2012 01:17 Xiphos wrote:


So in order to safe sales because of bad diplomatic relationship, they are going to exacerbate their foreign relation even further...

Sounds legit.

On September 20 2012 01:20 ddrddrddrddr wrote:

Sino-Japanese economy definitely will not be growing very well this year with the remaining resentment even if this matter is settled. Many will boycott Japanese items and the market will be conservative. Future investment will always come with a question of whether something like this can happen again. And the answer is yes.