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On September 19 2012 16:03 arbus wrote:
This is just frightening to see, these people will the biggest economy some day. I will never buy any chinese product and if can not made in china as well, and everyone else should do the same imo. People should more think about for the future. China claims not only these islands but also islands from chinese east see which is completely not part of china geographically and a territory of the same size of texas from india.
And they will sure bossing the rest of the world around worse like america does right now.
Were your English books made in China? You might want to start with those.
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How does Japan react to the protests? The protests seem rather extreme.. update me :D !
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On September 19 2012 16:06 ddrddrddrddr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 16:03 arbus wrote:
This is just frightening to see, these people will the biggest economy some day. I will never buy any chinese product and if can not made in china as well, and everyone else should do the same imo. People should more think about for the future. China claims not only these islands but also islands from chinese east see which is completely not part of china geographically and a territory of the same size of texas from india.
And they will sure bossing the rest of the world around worse like america does right now. Were your English books made in China? You might want to start with those.
Not everyone can be fluent in their 2nd or maybe 3rd language.. i'm sure you understood what he meant.
I've been watching some news in denmark this morning and there is no mentions at all about this topic. I got the feeling that this is pretty huge so that surprised me quite a lot. but well, i guess that can be expected
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On September 19 2012 16:06 Deadstrider wrote:
How does Japan react to the protests? The protests seem rather extreme.. update me :D !
As far as I know, Japanese factories in China are shutting down and employees are advised to stay inside. If going out, it is recommended for people to go with a Chinese colleague. It is also advised not to speak aloud in Japanese. You can pretty much sum it up with don't act Japanese in public.
As far as the Japan government, I think they're in damage control mode. I don't think anyone expected all this and know exactly how to act without causing more damage.
http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2263122&language=en
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This is how wars start in cheap paperback novels 
I hope everyone finds the will to take a step back, breathe, and remember its a future where we work together instead of turning into a mob.
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On September 19 2012 16:24 ddrddrddrddr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 16:06 Deadstrider wrote:
How does Japan react to the protests? The protests seem rather extreme.. update me :D ! As far as I know, Japanese factories in China are shutting down and employees are advised to stay inside. If going out, it is recommended for people to go with a Chinese colleague. It is also advised not to speak aloud in Japanese. You can pretty much sum it up with don't act Japanese in public. As far as the Japan government, I think they're in damage control mode. I don't think anyone expected all this and know exactly how to act without causing more damage. http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2263122&language=en
I see, do people openly speak about war? Is it a hot topic in China right now? On national news etc? This somehow really interests me.
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On September 19 2012 16:40 Deadstrider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 16:24 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On September 19 2012 16:06 Deadstrider wrote:
How does Japan react to the protests? The protests seem rather extreme.. update me :D ! As far as I know, Japanese factories in China are shutting down and employees are advised to stay inside. If going out, it is recommended for people to go with a Chinese colleague. It is also advised not to speak aloud in Japanese. You can pretty much sum it up with don't act Japanese in public. As far as the Japan government, I think they're in damage control mode. I don't think anyone expected all this and know exactly how to act without causing more damage. http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2263122&language=en I see, do people openly speak about war? Is it a hot topic in China right now? On national news etc? This somehow really interests me.
The rhetoric from some of the protestors is all about murdering the Japanese. The government (Chinese) doesn't seem interested in war, though. The noise is good for political pressure. It'll probably get messier since both countries are notoriously stubborn when it comes to relations with each other.
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On September 19 2012 15:04 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 14:27 Shady Sands wrote:On September 19 2012 14:18 Caphe wrote:On September 19 2012 13:36 SwiftSpear wrote:
Ideally, I'd like ownership of this island to be considered 50/50, since historical ownership is garbage anyways.
Let China buy Japan out and put this ridiculous issue to rest. There is in no-way this matter could be settled like that consider the history between China and Japan. I expect it to die down with a year or two though. Since China has an upcoming power transition from Hu Jin Tao to Xi Jin Ping, Japan has an election coming as well if i m not mistaken. So I think this issue was pushed by both countries is just a political move to deter the public to focus on economy in the upcoming changes that will happen in both countries. That's the most common interpretation here amongst Chinese officials that I've spoken to. Although this is mixed a surprising amount of irrational, barely-subconscious rage at Japan's continued attempts to abuse the US-Japan security treaty to browbeat China. One of the officials said something about Japan being a "bitch who's slipped her leash" that the US needs to "restrain", but that they said so far they feel this will not affect the US-China relationship, since, publicly and privately, the US has expressed regret over Japan's decision to purchase the islands. That actually makes a lot of sense now that I come to think about it. I'm betting Japanese officials(Ishihara basically) are banking on the mutual-defence thing and think that worst comes to worst they can drag daddy in to fix their problems. I can't help but wonder if American officials will ever get tired of that?
You DO know that the mutual defense agreement was forced on Japan after their loss in WW2, to stop them from creating their own army? Because your post make it seem like the US is in the bad position being "used" by Japan, which is a ridiculous viewpoint.
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Well, it seems that what George Carlin said is right "It seems that every person who told us to live together in peace was killed, appearantly we are not ready for that".
On another note, in spain there is a saying. "If all the chines people jumped at once, we would have a major earthquake".
More than a joke, it actually states to be carefull, since that mass of people can be devastating if driven to a destructive goal.
It seems that every year there is more and more tension everywhere... Id hate to live a WAR in my life becouse of this, but history seems to repeat itself, and if it follows the same pattern, id say we are getting dangerously close to one.
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On September 19 2012 16:06 Deadstrider wrote:
How does Japan react to the protests? The protests seem rather extreme.. update me :D !
Japanese business in China: broken or shut down for now
Japanese business CEOs: Hmm. So-called "China risk" is bigger than we estimated before. Time to shift to "China +1" +1 being another asian nation like vietnam.
Japanese government: Damage to destroyed Japanese properties must be paid by China. Hopefully working with China backdoor for mutual damage control while saving face for both.
Japanese general public: This is crazy. Riots are ridiculous. China is irrational. Senkaku is ours. Our government sucks.
Japanese right wing: Arrest every single boat that enters the territorial water. Japanese government's attitude is way too weak vs China. Be strong, don't compromise.
An idiot Japanese protest: threw flares into Chinese consulate in Japan. Arrested, and condemned to hell by others with "WE are not barbarians." or "He is disgrace to Japan."
Japanese individual politicians: busy thinking about next general election.
but that's just me.
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News updates:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120919_23.html
Protests abate amid government control over the media and riot police.
http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120919/102058.shtml
Qing'Dao police detain 6 suspects who participated in destruction of property / looting / setting fire to a 4S Japanese Car store.
http://news.cntv.cn/world/20120919/104732.shtml
Japanese prime minster demands reparations from the Chinese government for the damages. However, identical riots are occuring in Japan by ultranationalists including makeshift smoke grenades chucked into the Chinese embassy at Fukuoka on the 17th. And a Chinese school in Kobe was set on fire in the early morning of the 19th.
http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120919/103464.shtml
Financial ministry replies to the request of damages saying that lawful reparations will be given and recommends that damages must be reported to authorities for the lawful process to work.
http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120919/102165.shtml
Economical impact of the riots, some stores are still closed and have been for 3 days since the 17th, partial re-opening have also occurred. Most stores report loss in profits for the short term, Japan-China airlines have also taken a hit in the number of passengers in the short term, (however, China-Japan tourism is at an all time high prior to the events, hitting 3.65 million for Japanese tourists and 960 thousand for Chinese tourists which is 72% increase from last year). Noticeably however is that the statistics do not support that wide spread profits damage were caused by the riots, profit margins were already low and most of the plants which closed down may have done so at an existing profit standpoint rather than safety concerns. Stocks for Japanese car manufacturers and electronics / retailers report drops in the range of ~2 to 0.5%, however other stocks reported raises such as Sony which rose by 4.48% in one day, Mazda with a 1.02% raise, and Canon with a 1.04% raise.
A list of legitimate damages are listed as below:
Dongfeng Motor (Japanese branch) Guangzhou Factory closed down on the 17th and re-opened on the 19th.
Nissan subsidiary in Zhengzhou closed down a factory for one day on the 18th.
Chongan Ford China closed down its Nanking factory for one day on the 18th.
FAW group Toyota Closed down its Tianjing factory on the 18th, re-opening date indeterminant.
Guangqi Honda closed down its factory on the 18th and 19th.
Dongfeng Honda closed down its factory on the 18th and 19th.
Sony closed 2 out of 8 factories on the 18th for one day.
Panasonic's Qingdao factory does not have a re-opening date yet.
Lion's Qingdao factory does not have a re-opening date yet.
AEON's 36 retailers in China only have 2 which are operating normally.
KOMATSU's 6 factories in China have 3 which are in non-production status.
Fujita airlines have had 18800 group tickets cancelled which were expected to depart between september and november.
Juneyao Airlines have delayed a flight from Shanghai to Okinawa on the 20th.
Spring Airlines canceled 10 group planes from Shanghai to Tottori.
http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120919/104693.shtml
Beijing closes its subway station near the Japanese embassy.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_JAPAN_RISING_RIGHT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-19-03-31-30
Japan's opposition candidates vow to protect islands.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/09/20129185557600905.html
Further information on the amount of stores that closed, additional information include:
Uniqlo will close 19 retailer outlets in China after closing down 7 retailer stores on monday.
Please a mod atleast update the useless OP
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On September 19 2012 16:59 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 16:06 Deadstrider wrote:
How does Japan react to the protests? The protests seem rather extreme.. update me :D ! Japanese business in China: broken or shut down for now Japanese business CEOs: Hmm. So-called "China risk" is bigger than we estimated before. Time to shift to "China +1" +1 being another asian nation like vietnam. Japanese government: Damage to destroyed Japanese properties must be paid by China. Hopefully working with China backdoor for mutual damage control while saving face for both. Japanese general public: This is crazy. Riots are ridiculous. China is irrational. Senkaku is ours. Our government sucks. Japanese right wing: Arrest every single boat that enters the territorial water. Japanese government's attitude is way too weak vs China. Be strong, don't compromise. An idiot Japanese protest: threw flares into Chinese consulate in Japan. Arrested, and condemned to hell by others with "WE are not barbarians." or "He is disgrace to Japan." Japanese individual politicians: busy thinking about next general election. but that's just me.
Ah, does Japan think about war? Or is that too far away? Current government is left wing? And how big are the islands that we are talking about? The Dutch news said they are very very small.. True? Whatsup with all the boats with chinese flags? Haha, so much questions
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On September 19 2012 16:59 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 16:06 Deadstrider wrote:
How does Japan react to the protests? The protests seem rather extreme.. update me :D ! Japanese business in China: broken or shut down for now Japanese business CEOs: Hmm. So-called "China risk" is bigger than we estimated before. Time to shift to "China +1" +1 being another asian nation like vietnam. Japanese government: Damage to destroyed Japanese properties must be paid by China. Hopefully working with China backdoor for mutual damage control while saving face for both. Japanese general public: This is crazy. Riots are ridiculous. China is irrational. Senkaku is ours. Our government sucks. Japanese right wing: Arrest every single boat that enters the territorial water. Japanese government's attitude is way too weak vs China. Be strong, don't compromise. An idiot Japanese protest: threw flares into Chinese consulate in Japan. Arrested, and condemned to hell by others with "WE are not barbarians." or "He is disgrace to Japan." Japanese individual politicians: busy thinking about next general election. but that's just me.
False, there are closures but operational stores, factories, retailers still outnumber closed or broken ones, broken ones are also in the minority.
Unsourced, stocks rose and dropped, profits rose and dropped, with increased sample size there is no correlation.
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Also setting fire to a Chinese school.
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On September 19 2012 17:04 Deadstrider wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 16:59 Orek wrote:On September 19 2012 16:06 Deadstrider wrote:
How does Japan react to the protests? The protests seem rather extreme.. update me :D ! Japanese business in China: broken or shut down for now Japanese business CEOs: Hmm. So-called "China risk" is bigger than we estimated before. Time to shift to "China +1" +1 being another asian nation like vietnam. Japanese government: Damage to destroyed Japanese properties must be paid by China. Hopefully working with China backdoor for mutual damage control while saving face for both. Japanese general public: This is crazy. Riots are ridiculous. China is irrational. Senkaku is ours. Our government sucks. Japanese right wing: Arrest every single boat that enters the territorial water. Japanese government's attitude is way too weak vs China. Be strong, don't compromise. An idiot Japanese protest: threw flares into Chinese consulate in Japan. Arrested, and condemned to hell by others with "WE are not barbarians." or "He is disgrace to Japan." Japanese individual politicians: busy thinking about next general election. but that's just me. Ah, does Japan think about war? Or is that too far away? Current government is left wing? And how big are the islands that we are talking about? The Dutch news said they are very very small.. True? Whatsup with all the boats with chinese flags? Haha, so much questions
Japan and China both have elections / political power transitions happening soon, starting anything right now is political suicide. The public don't want war, the minority who are rioting just want to hurt each other with not any specific direction or organization. The islands are small and relatively resource less, what matters is the naval trade lines and the area that an expanded border would mean for potential resources underneath the sea such as gas, oil and minerals as well as a show of political influence. The boats are all either government boats or voluntary Chinese fishing vessels, the fishing vessels vastly outnumber government boats, government boats outnumber military boats.
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Get it over with and Nuke em both.
User was warned for this post
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On September 19 2012 17:30 BillyJoe wrote:
Get it over with and Nuke em both.
Oops. Nuke incoming from mod.
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big protests happening here in guangzhou everyday, yesterday was the worst though because it was the anniversary of when japan attacked china. I think here they actually had a tank out at one point to help control the protests. every chinese person is currently hating japan with a passion
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what's with the porn star thing, is sora aoi a huge celebrity or something?
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On September 19 2012 17:04 Deadstrider wrote:Ah, does Japan think about war? Or is that too far away? Current government is left wing? And how big are the islands that we are talking about? The Dutch news said they are very very small.. True? Whatsup with all the boats with chinese flags? Haha, so much questions
Neither side can afford a war and the size of the islands is irrelevant, China is huge already. My Qzone is spammed with anti Japan messages, gotta admit that the picture comparing the Japanese flag to a tampon was quite creative.
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On September 19 2012 18:01 x2fst wrote:
what's with the porn star thing, is sora aoi a huge celebrity or something?
I haven't met a single Chinese person (personal experience) who hasn't been intimate with her, yanawwwmeean?
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