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Leetley
1796 Posts
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cydial
United States750 Posts
On August 08 2012 07:37 Nevermind86 wrote: This reminds me of Metal Gear Solid's information control, some of you guys do not understand that webpages like demonoid are part of the digital revolution millions of people in the third world like myself for the first time in history had access to all this media content from music, videos, films, documentals, software, all this content was either too expensive or inaccessible, with access to infromation our level of education has increased tenfold from the last generation, just look at most hardcore pirates, people who have learned english like myself solely from interacting over the internet, from Russia, Vietnam, Peru, Venezuela, etc, where would I have listened to bands like Led Zeppelin or Nirvana?, those are almost unheard of in my country, but internet has made them incredibly popular between my entire internet-generation, through playing warcraft III I shared my mp3 nirvana songs with so many people from different latin american countries and a lot of those people became fans of this rock band, now that I'm older rock music has taken a second place in my life, now it's books, I got hundreds of books in PDF format, a true collections of classics from 1984 to a bunch of books of Isaac Asimov and Chuck Palahnkiuk and I download pimspleur english lessons for spanish speakers to give it to my local friends who want to learn english, using the internet I have learned 2 languages now and I'm learning a forth one. if i was born 10 years earlier this would have been almost impossible. Almost all this content I got from Demonoid, that's what it gave me, it is such an important part of my life. Now anonymous members from Venezuela, my country, have put corrupt politicians in the spotlight as frauds hacking their twitter accounts and taking down their webpages, they learned those skills too, the same way I learned mine. If there is something that will turn humanity into a thinking mass, instead of a mindless mass is this abundant flow of information, these people looking to finish sharing of files may have a legal reason, but they live in another age, conservatives, holding the progress of humanity to hold to an inherited fortune. Well said. The only truly measurable form of evil is ignorance. The only true measurable form of good is knowledge. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
I typically get stuff on the worlds most resiliant torrent site  As for Pirating... Well, the reason that pirating of TV, movies, music, is largely because the old method of business just doesn't work in the modern age. Today's consumers use largely digital media, in players, computers, phones, car audio systems, etc. As such, stuff should be sold and licensed in a digital media as well as the current model. Itunes has the right idea - sell songs, or full albums in a digital format for download. PC software developers are on board - and look how busy Steam has been selling software by direct download. Burn to a disc for safe keeping, and it's a good business model. The software and music industries carry none of the overhead with production of hard copy media, and blank media sales have never been better. The TV and movie industries are stuck in the stone ages. VERY FEW companies produce content and allow for free streaming on thier website. A popular example of success to this model is the NFL's superbowl last year - it was streamed online on their website. You could watch it, if your county's IP wasn't blocked from the site of course. I personally download nearly all the TV and movies I watch on my home computer. Nearly all of it is European sports coverage, which I simply CANNOT get here in Canada on ANY North American brodcaster - regardless of how much money I want to pay. I could offer my local cable company $1,000 a month to have access to BBC sports and Eurosport to watch my Motogp and World superbike, and they simply cannot provide the product. Speed offers VERY limited coverage of these particular sports, and don't even get me started on WRC (World Rally)... At the same time, that it is illigal to record (in any method) ANY TV programming, Cable companies sell and rent Personal Recorders to digitally record your favorite shows to watch them later. The result: start watching your show 20 minutes after it starts, and fast forward through ALL the Commercials - the very reason that TV and Movie indisutries hate downloads - they cannot sell and cash in on commercial sales. I would happily stream my favorite TV shows and Movies, Commercials included - if these moguls offered it. They do not. So, I will download it with or without commercials, and watch the programming which i cannot get in my region from providers in another continent. | ||
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cydial
United States750 Posts
I torrent, but I'm more than willing to buy if the person selling it isn't trying to rape my fucking wallet by charging 50 dollars for 1 season of a show.... | ||
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
On August 10 2012 07:36 cydial wrote: Instead of bitching non stop, maybe it's time to change your business model to match that of steam... An amazing distribution platform for every game it sells. I torrent, but I'm more than willing to buy if the person selling it isn't trying to rape my fucking wallet by charging 50 dollars for 1 season of a show.... Like itunes? | ||
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MisterD
Germany1338 Posts
On August 10 2012 07:36 cydial wrote: Instead of bitching non stop, maybe it's time to change your business model to match that of steam... An amazing distribution platform for every game it sells. I torrent, but I'm more than willing to buy if the person selling it isn't trying to rape my fucking wallet by charging 50 dollars for 1 season of a show.... newsflash: a steam business model will work neither for TV shows nor for music. Steam has one of the most horrendous DRM you can find as in you cannot use the stuff you bought unless you are online on your one single installation. Try listening to a song to your phone that requires you to be logged in on steam to play on your computer while connected to it, have fun ;P The distribution model (spend a few bucks, download and play immediately) should be adopted, i assume that's what you mean. But please, not the whole business model. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
Itunes is a horrible platform and an unbelievably shitty piece of software. Is this a joke? | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On August 10 2012 08:04 MisterD wrote: newsflash: a steam business model will work neither for TV shows nor for music. Steam has one of the most horrendous DRM you can find as in you cannot use the stuff you bought unless you are online on your one single installation. Try listening to a song to your phone that requires you to be logged in on steam to play on your computer while connected to it, have fun ;P The distribution model (spend a few bucks, download and play immediately) should be adopted, i assume that's what you mean. But please, not the whole business model. Even then getting rights secured in each country is such a pain for companies. | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
On August 10 2012 07:36 cydial wrote: Instead of bitching non stop, maybe it's time to change your business model to match that of steam... An amazing distribution platform for every game it sells. I torrent, but I'm more than willing to buy if the person selling it isn't trying to rape my fucking wallet by charging 50 dollars for 1 season of a show.... Amazing? I seem to recall this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357548 Where Steam is becoming so dominant that it can begin restricting user rights and, basically, holding any bought games hostage until you agree to whatever their new terms are. In this case, removing the right to class action lawsuits. Distribution is great, yeah. Implementation is great... for Valve. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
Not if piracy is legalized. | ||
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
Well then it's not really piracy anymore. And even then I'd say it's questionable. | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On August 09 2012 23:32 FabledIntegral wrote: My god, you don't need to go over the basics of sharing. I understand what it is. The point is that legally regulating sharing is not ridiculous. And sharing isn't even the correct term. It's copying in this situation. Telling your friend what happened in the book is not illegal. Copying the book in its entirety and then giving a copy to your friend is what's illegal. But it seems you don't understand what sharing and copying are. Telling your friend what happened is providing the content of the book to them. So is photocopying the book. The fidelity of information transfer does not change the moral argument either way. It may change the financial argument, though. And yes, companies do have the legal right to sell you content and tell you what to do with it, that's why you don't own software, you own an individual license to utilize to software. To claim you haven't done any moral wrongdoing is simply deluding yourself. I don't recognize this right they're claiming. There is nothing immoral about not-for-profit copying, and no amount of tautology will change that. When I pay for a creative work on a medium, I consider myself the owner, not the licensee. No law, or EULA, or international treaty signed by corrupt political whores will change that. | ||
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Scootaloo
655 Posts
Gee, wonder why they don't release demo's anymore. This free sharing of information is causing revolutions of knowledge in less fortunate parts of the world, yet we want to restrict it because already extremely rich movie and music studio's see a bit more potential revenue to be made, don't kid yourself, only the 50Cent's and Britney Spears of this world make significant revenue from CD sales, real musicians rely on concerts, something which you can never download. The rest all get's pumped into the industries bureacracy, the lobbying groups, producers, sales branch, anti-piracy groups, institutions that are quickly becoming obsolete, this is their last desperate struggle to gain control over a new form of media and remain the monarchs of music exploitation. And it's not like movie attendance has significantly dropped anyway, mostly a matter of not seeing the same amount of growth and the financial crises creating higher priorities, hell, at this point you could even argue the market is just oversaturated and the inordinate amount of (terrible) remakes and sequels that have been produced the last decade might have increased peoples mistrust when it comes to movies. Your perspective on pirating really changes if you don't have a high paying job or rich parents, or a capable of seeing the declining trend in media quality. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
iTunes is crap though. There is stuff out there that is much better than iTunes. So glad I stopped using it. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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Seiferz
United States640 Posts
On August 10 2012 08:33 dudeman001 wrote: Amazing? I seem to recall this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=357548 Where Steam is becoming so dominant that it can begin restricting user rights and, basically, holding any bought games hostage until you agree to whatever their new terms are. In this case, removing the right to class action lawsuits. Distribution is great, yeah. Implementation is great... for Valve. Sure that may be a bit dubious but it's not like it will ever affect you. Have you ever participated or done a class-action lawsuit? You could still sue them yourself and it would be perfectly fine even if you signed the TOS. It's far and above the best model for stopping constant piracy in my opinion. | ||
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Dalguno
United States2446 Posts
On August 11 2012 03:17 Scootaloo wrote: Saying pirating is evil is all good and fun if you have the money to buy all the media you want, but most people simply don't, nor do they have the time to spend hours in CD music shops or filtering through muck on the radio trying to find out if the album they want to buy is actually worth more then a couple listens, and with the sheer amount of crap that get's released on video, audio or software these days you'd have to be an idiot to just buy something without trying it properly first. Gee, wonder why they don't release demo's anymore. This free sharing of information is causing revolutions of knowledge in less fortunate parts of the world, yet we want to restrict it because already extremely rich movie and music studio's see a bit more potential revenue to be made, don't kid yourself, only the 50Cent's and Britney Spears of this world make significant revenue from CD sales, real musicians rely on concerts, something which you can never download. The rest all get's pumped into the industries bureacracy, the lobbying groups, producers, sales branch, anti-piracy groups, institutions that are quickly becoming obsolete, this is their last desperate struggle to gain control over a new form of media and remain the monarchs of music exploitation. And it's not like movie attendance has significantly dropped anyway, mostly a matter of not seeing the same amount of growth and the financial crises creating higher priorities, hell, at this point you could even argue the market is just oversaturated and the inordinate amount of (terrible) remakes and sequels that have been produced the last decade might have increased peoples mistrust when it comes to movies. Your perspective on pirating really changes if you don't have a high paying job or rich parents, or a capable of seeing the declining trend in media quality. I just don't understand this. If you don't have the money to buy something, you shouldn't get to have it. I'm sorry, but people produce things, and they can choose to charge you however much they want to. Just wanting something doesn't mean you can have it, or justify pirating. "But they charge too much!" Sure, maybe that's true, but that's their choice to make. "Causing revolutions of knowledge in less fortunate parts of the world"? What? Watching a torrented Game of Thrones isn't doing much to advance the knowledge of less fortunate people. Maybe if they're torrenting books, maybe. Even then, it's still not justification. I'd hate to live in a world where I don't get my returns on something I've produced. Regardless of how much their making, pirating it isn't any more justified. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 11 2012 04:18 Dalguno wrote: I just don't understand this. If you don't have the money to buy something, you shouldn't get to have it. I'm sorry, but people produce things, and they can choose to charge you however much they want to. Just wanting something doesn't mean you can have it, or justify pirating. "But they charge too much!" Sure, maybe that's true, but that's their choice to make. "Causing revolutions of knowledge in less fortunate parts of the world"? What? Watching a torrented Game of Thrones isn't doing much to advance the knowledge of less fortunate people. Maybe if they're torrenting books, maybe. Even then, it's still not justification. I'd hate to live in a world where I don't get my returns on something I've produced. Regardless of how much their making, pirating it isn't any more justified. Yeah screw those people who aren't born in rich countries and need to work for a week to gather the funds to buy a legit $45 copy of GoT's first season, they shouldn't have access to our fancy aristocrat entertainment. Life's so good as a most-likely white, privileged Westerner living in a rich country, everyone else can fuck off, right? The idea that your life should suck if you don't make enough money disgusts me. Some luxuries should be out of their reach yes, but fuck, please, not all of them. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On August 08 2012 07:10 TheRabidDeer wrote: I am confused why people still pirate so much. Music is cheap/free through itunes/spotify/pandora/other sources Most movies and TV shows are cheap/free from netflix/hulu (admittedly, I do pirate some TV shows, like top gear) Games are sometimes cheap on steam/amazon/origin Why not just pay or get it from free legitimate sources? This post alone means you have absolutely no idea about movie and tv shows. Netflix is ridiculously outdated and slow when it comes to obtaining shows. You don't obtain them until a years after the DVDs are out. They are only up to Dexter season three. SEASON 6 IS ALREADY OVER!! Now, my wife and I have a subscription to netflix, but it simply isn't a resonable source for new products. If I can watch it within a reasonable time frame and support the company (like with The Legend of Korra, and pretty much anything from Funimation in regards to anime) I will. But unfortunately most networks do not offer streams of their shows even for a premium, which is outrageous in this day in age. The reason people pirate is because we do not have access to the material we want, so instead we obtain it the only way possible for the most part, torrenting. | ||
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